Ethanol Warning...

JamesTXSD

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We've all heard the problems with ethanol in the gasoline we put in our boats. While at our neighbor's boat building shop the other day (replacing house batteries on Wild Blue), I came across this...

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I asked if he would mind if I posted it... "Go for it. Let everyone with a boat know about this."

They also had two clear bottles with stuff in it that they had drained out of a customer's boat - one from the fuel tank, the other from the engine... completely stratified layers, with water on the bottom, a sludgy goo in the middle (with rust particles suspended), and fuel on top. The customer had the boat tuned up about a month ago, including a carb rebuild. They also replaced fuel lines and filters. What was floating in those bottles was startling.

When we are home, we buy fuel at the only place that doesn't have ethanol. When out and about, that is harder to find. I was encouraged to change fuel filters every 90 days and use Seafoam every few fill-ups. I specifically asked about the blue Sta-bil, and was told they don't use that (I do); they had a shelf of red Sta-bil that he said I was welcome to take. I was told that stuff reacts badly with ethanol, producing some of that goo I saw.

I know we have had the ethanol discussion here from time to time. Boat shops are seeing increasing repair work, due to what the ethanol is doing to the fuel lines and tanks.

Keep an eye on those filters.

Jim B.
 
Swap that Seafoam for Yamaha Ring Free. Sea Foam is like pouring money in your tank and not getting anything in return . The Ring Free is a powerful detergent and IS recommended for modern fuel injected motors. Seafoam IS NOT.It might be ok for your Briggs and Stratton or vintage Johnson 2 stroke.
But I wouldnt put in and EFI motor .
Marc
 
We went thought all of that for the first time in 1998 when I bought my 1987 CD-22 and introduced it to then then-new E-10 mix in California.

Thought I'd circumvent to problem for awhile by buying gas in Nevada, but it turned out to be from the Bay Area refiners and just more E-10.

The carburetors on my Evinrude 90 lasted for a couple of hours on Eagle Lake until they clogged up with the debris loosened from the fuel tank and lines!

My marine dealer in Fremont replaced all the hoses, installed a 10 micron filter, and rebuilt the carburetors. I drained and cleaned out the tanks as best one can w/o removing them. No problems thereafter. Switched to new EFI Yamaha 90 motor in 2005.

Sure would like to get rid of the E-10, but with the corn lobby holding Congress hostage, the pseudo-enviornmental appeal of alcohol, etc., etc., probably not going to happen. Really dumb that it takes more energy to produce a gallon of alcohol than there is in it as a fuel! :amgry

Funny: "Only Jesus can make bad gas good again or keep it from going bad" !!!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
And now our 'bought off' congress/government has approved E-15! WTF? It takes more energy to produce corn ethanol than the ethanol contains. Corn ethanol is not the way to energy independence.

And we, the taxpayers pay the corn ethanol producers about $7 Billion per year in subsidies.

Adding more ethanol will be great for the oil industry as the MPG cars achieve drops and the cars have to burn more fuel to travel the same distance.

One last smack in the face to us consumers is that corn used for food or animal feed has increased in price, taking more of our money for our food budget.
 
I guess I'm a bit confused by the statement in E on the sign - e.g.

"E. Do not add additives, only Jesus can make bad gas good again or keep it from going bad"

I've heard of the water to wine thing but I wasn't aware that he worked with hydrocarbons also. :wink:
 
rogerbum":1s2uzfmf said:
I guess I'm a bit confused by the statement in E on the sign - e.g.

"E. Do not add additives, only Jesus can make bad gas good again or keep it from going bad"

I've heard of the water to wine thing but I wasn't aware that he worked with hydrocarbons also. :wink:

Roger-

I'd be satisfied if Jesus could just help me out, separating the ethanol from the gasoline, and I could consume the alcohol and burn the pure gasoline!

Better yet, we could turn it into a large scale plant, go public, and make tons of $$$, and split the profits with the Almighty!

Think I'll get any offers? (Times are tight, maybe the Heavenly Coffers could use a boost at the bank?)

Joe. (Playing The Devil's Advocate) :teeth :thup
 
When making Bio Diesel one washes out the alcohol with water would it work with Gasoline just sprinkle a 55 gal. drum with water and pump out the gasoline off the top. But don't light a match. Then what participates out we can feed to the cows.
How about a Diesel outboard but with the price of diesel maybe not.

Guy
 
Larry H":hnhlujq9 said:
Separating the alcohol from the gas results in a very low octane fuel that can damage a motor.

Larry, I really did not mean it. but with the new light weight diesels.
 
Larry H":2430z2vb said:
Diesel outboard! :thup

It's been tried and didn't gain acceptance.

Although I wonder if it would be possible to covert some of the small European automotive engines to the task-

Probably still too heavy with poor hole shot and a price premium.

Maybe we could use a GM truck V-8 similar to this Chevy Gas V-8
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Yanmar made a 36hp diesel o/b but the newer clean air regs drove it out of the USA. I have heard that engine is still available in other parts of the world.
 
I did hear talk of diesel outboard many years ago but never saw one. Well if a diesel will sink C-Dory how about a turbine. They are light use jet fuel and boy just think how fast we could spin the prop. I actually did a little work on a turbine boat in the 60ths but the money was not forth coming. Probably a good thing.
 
As Alice observed, it just gets "curiouser and curiouser." Seems the more evidence surfaces that this technology is crap, the more eager the puppets are to cave. You know, it was Jesus's dad that gave us fossil fuel. Maybe he thought we'd use it up before we started screwing around with food. There are a lot of hungry people in this world who'd probably like an ear of corn or two. IMHO
 
As Alice observed, it just gets "curiouser and curiouser." Seems the more evidence surfaces that this technology is crap, the more eager the puppets are to cave. You know, it was Jesus's dad that gave us fossil fuel. Maybe he thought we'd use it up before we started screwing around with food. There are a lot of hungry people in this world who'd probably like an ear of corn or two. IMHO
 
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