E15 Ethanol/Gasoline Blend Requirement

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mjsiega

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I was watching the news today and seen on the bottom of the screen something scroll by about a requirement for all gas stations to start pumping E15 blended gasoline by June 2010. I didn't catch the whole message and I tried searching the web for anything saying the same thing and couldn't find anything. All I found is the EPA is considering it, but it seems to be moving to requiring it sometime soon. I didn't realize they were moving this fast to implement E15. What got me more nervous was that they said any car built before 2001 may not be able to handle E15?!?! What about all out marine engines?????

-Mark
 
Found some articles, dated early December, that said a decision to implement was delayed 6 months.

One example:
December 1, 2009
By delaying a decision about allowing E15 in our gasoline for at least another six months, the EPA has sealed its fate as a non issue in avoiding the blending wall, especially considering the conditions it is talking about, like allowing it only for cars made on or after 2001 and not allowing its use in the marine industry and small engines. These kinds of special conditi0ns will severely limit the ability to deliver any significant amount of E15 in time to avoid the blending wall.
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http://stopethanol.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/e15-will-make-no-difference-now/
 
This is not good. E10 gas was the worst thing to come along in gas and has done nothing but cost the consumers money in more expensive gas, poorer fuel economy, and more engine ware and tear. The same with bio-diesel. I fueled up my excavator this morning with some diesel that was three months old and it already had algae growing in it. Before bio-diesel I could keep diesel for over a year without any negative effect on my engines or plugging filters. I could keep gas on hand for a year and it would still be good. If more people would complain to their elected representatives, maybe we could eliminate some of this madness.

I am off my soap box now. This post just happened to appear when I was pi$$ed about bio-diesel.
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Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
Congress mandated increasing amounts of ethanol in the nations motor fuels supply, 15 billion gallons in 2012, up from 7 billion gallons in 2007. In hindsight it looks like motor gasoline consumption peaked in the US in 2007. So the only way to increase the amount of ethanol with decreasing overall fuel useage is to jack up the percentage. It isn't a good idea for a variety of reasons, but it's the law. Call, Email, or write your congressional representatives, but don't expect much, you're fighting a very powerful farm lobby.

Best wishes,
Mike
 
MikeMac":30yewvk8 said:
you're fighting a very powerful farm lobby.
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That is true but the most powerful lobby is the individual when he/she is unified with other individuals. If enough people express their displeasure with ethanol in their gas, or having to use biodiesel, the most powerful lobby in the world will not be able to overcome it. Both would be eliminated from the market. Too many times people think they have no effect on political decisions, but that is not true. The only time you have no affect is when you remain silent. It doesn’t matter which side of the political spectrum you are on, let your elected representative know how you feel. Voice your opinion or remain silent and suffer the consequences.
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Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...43422176790914.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_news

WASHINGTON—A group created by U.S. President Barack Obama outlined a broad agenda Wednesday for ensuring that the country increases the amount of biofuels used in cars, trucks, and airplanes.

The President's Interagency Working Group said the U.S. wasn't on track to meet federal mandates of adding 36 billion gallons of biofuels to the fuel supply each year by 2022. Underscoring that point, the Environmental Protection Agency said Wednesday it expected only 6.5 million gallons of cellulosic biofuel to be produced this year, well under the 100 million mandated by Congress.
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The group suggested that the EPA could lift the limit on the amount of ethanol in the gasoline supply from 10% to 15% or 20% if testing showed the higher blends to be suitable in light-duty vehicles. The EPA has promised to make a decision by midyear.
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After Oldgrowth stated
I fueled up my excavator this morning with some diesel that was three months old and it already had algae growing in it. Before bio-diesel I could keep diesel for over a year without any negative effect on my engines or plugging filters.
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Now I'm thinking what the heck do I do with diesel that has been sitting in my Wallas stove container for over a year? I'm afraid as hell to use it in the stove. :smilep

Is there some place I can recycle it? All my vehicles are gas.
 
You could filter it and use it in a kerosene/diesel heater, like the one I have in my garage and RV barn to heat the work space.

I don't think the orifices in those type of heaters (they look and sound like a miniature jet engine) are so small they would be easily clogged, but I could be wrong (again) ! :crook

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I guess we will have to start using our boats a lot more that way the e-10or more will not sit to long in your fuel tank . I had problems with the e-10 at first but starting putting in Stabil and changing out my 10 micron water sep. filter every 50-100hrs and keeping extra filters on board . So far so good and buying fuel at new Marina with non ethanal fuel when possible.

I've started to run my wallas once every month here in fl(even when its 90 degrees ). and replacing the fuel every 6 months or so with k-1 kleen heat and I put in a fuel cleaner and stabilizer in .it seems to work great . I can get the wallas to heat up water in less then 2-3 min .
 
"regular diesel" should not have the problem that Oldgrowth cited--and I suspect that maybe he had a blend...heck they are making diesel out of algies.


I don't see the farmers per say supporting the ethanol. It is the big agricultural interests, plus bio refiners. The price of corn spiked a couple of years ago--now it is back down. There was surpluss last year--but that was because some farmers switched from Soy to Corn because of the prices in the past. The world market and other factors (weather etc) have a lot to do with the profits in farming. The costs of farming have escalated in the last couple of years. (I do own a farm which grows soy and corn).

Agree, write your congressman--leave exemptions for marine and other similar type of applications. The corn ethanol makes absolutely no sense, since it costs more to produce than the price of oil refined to gasoline, and has 20% less energy. (conflicting studies here some supported by the green movement and ethanol lobby say that it is more effecient).


There are still a few areas where marine fuel (and of course Av gas) is free of ethanol.
 
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