South of Heaven
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LocalBoy, its all good. Just offer those guys a cold beer and a smile at the next Brat gathering.
Dive Boat Fire
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rbfconstruction
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There is power in prayer. Tosca, sorry buddy, You have obviously been let down.
I pray for the survivors.
Richard
I pray for the survivors.
Richard
smckean (Tosca)
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OK. So which God to I pray to:rbfconstruction":dard1xri said:
- Allah?
- Jehovah?
- Yahweh?
- Vishnu?
- Zeus?
- Artemis?
Many names in the Old and New Testament
God the Father
God Most High (Gen. 14:18)
Our Shield (Ps. 59:11)
My Father's God (Ex. 18:4)
Sovereign Lord (2 Sam. 7:18)
Holy One (Ps. 71:22)
God of Heaven (Neh. 1:5)
Great and Awesome God (Neh. 1:5)
My Strength (Ps. 59:9)
My Loving God (Ps. 59:9)
God Who Avenges (Ps. 94:1)
Judge of the Earth (Ps. 94:2)
Abba, Father (Mark 14:36)
Only True God (John 173)
God of Peace (IThes. 5:23)
God the Blessed and Only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
God of all Grace (1 Pet. 5:10)
The Bible says that the one true God is the sovereign, self-existent Creator of the universe (Isaiah 42:5; Ephesians 1:11). He is spirit (John 4:24), He is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and He is personal (Deuteronomy 34:10). The one true God possesses all knowledge (Isaiah 46:10) and all power (Matthew 19:26), is present in all places (Psalm 139:7–10), and is unchanging (James 1:17).
God the Father
God Most High (Gen. 14:18)
Our Shield (Ps. 59:11)
My Father's God (Ex. 18:4)
Sovereign Lord (2 Sam. 7:18)
Holy One (Ps. 71:22)
God of Heaven (Neh. 1:5)
Great and Awesome God (Neh. 1:5)
My Strength (Ps. 59:9)
My Loving God (Ps. 59:9)
God Who Avenges (Ps. 94:1)
Judge of the Earth (Ps. 94:2)
Abba, Father (Mark 14:36)
Only True God (John 173)
God of Peace (IThes. 5:23)
God the Blessed and Only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
God of all Grace (1 Pet. 5:10)
The Bible says that the one true God is the sovereign, self-existent Creator of the universe (Isaiah 42:5; Ephesians 1:11). He is spirit (John 4:24), He is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and He is personal (Deuteronomy 34:10). The one true God possesses all knowledge (Isaiah 46:10) and all power (Matthew 19:26), is present in all places (Psalm 139:7–10), and is unchanging (James 1:17).
Micahbigsur@msn.com
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Even though I am named after an Old Testament Profit and I have strong feelings on this subject I would never expound on it here, I get enough divisive blather on facebook. I check in here literaly to escape this stuff, I have the full spectrum of cruising friends in Mexico and we all adhere to the old cruising mantra of never discussing, Anchors, Religion or Politics and it makes for a great feeling of community.
I love it here , I hope it is not changing, if it does , "hasta la vista baby"!
Thanks, Micah
I love it here , I hope it is not changing, if it does , "hasta la vista baby"!
Thanks, Micah
Three things:
ONE: there is a good chance that those in the bunks were asleep, and inhaled toxic fumes (gasses) resulting from the fire and carried through the vents. They probably never woke up, but died peacefully in their sleep.
TWO: If, in this world, we respected each other in their individuality, like we would want to be respected, we would have a much more peaceful world and this would be a safer, happier world.
THREE: What you believe, is up to you, and what you want to share of your belief, is also up to you. And how I respond to your belief is up to me. You have your right, and I respect that right, and I would appreciate if you respect my rights too.
Harvey
SleepyC:moon
ONE: there is a good chance that those in the bunks were asleep, and inhaled toxic fumes (gasses) resulting from the fire and carried through the vents. They probably never woke up, but died peacefully in their sleep.
TWO: If, in this world, we respected each other in their individuality, like we would want to be respected, we would have a much more peaceful world and this would be a safer, happier world.
THREE: What you believe, is up to you, and what you want to share of your belief, is also up to you. And how I respond to your belief is up to me. You have your right, and I respect that right, and I would appreciate if you respect my rights too.
Harvey
SleepyC:moon
hardee":1blutnwb said:
Perhaps, but they could have also died choking on noxious fumes. People who have survived transport category aircraft fires comment on how bad the fumes and smoke are to breath.
A fire that produces lots of CO or just consumes all the O2 might be an alright way to go. A fire that burns plastics, paints, and petrochemicals (e.g. oil, diesel fuel, foam mattresses) probably not.
There is also the reasonable possibility that some/all of them may have burned to death.
Pacificcoast101
Member
The county sheriff, who is also the coroner said they all died of smoke inhalation. None of them burned to death.
Micahbigsur@msn.com
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The Coast Guard just issued an advisory: not to charge lithium batteries without supervision and to limit the use of extension cords and power strips, review emergency dutys, identify emergency escapes, check firefighting equipment and a couple more.
colbysmith
Active member
https://news.yahoo.com/coast-guard-issues-warning-charging-122450724.html
Buried within this report was one small line that caught my attention. It said that boats like this should have a posted watch. Yet, all crew members were asleep. I wonder if they did have a posted watch, if they would have been able to catch the fire in time to warn all the passengers?
Buried within this report was one small line that caught my attention. It said that boats like this should have a posted watch. Yet, all crew members were asleep. I wonder if they did have a posted watch, if they would have been able to catch the fire in time to warn all the passengers?
"Fire Watches" are common in the military. Certainly on Naval ships they are posted. We stood anchor watches, if there was any question of storms, or questionable conditions.
On the charging side of things, Ray the previous owner, had installed 3 dual USB charging stations: helm, shelf over hanging locker and on the"navigator" side of the console. They are all limited by a 2 hour charging timer. If you want more, you have to push the button again to start the timer over. For the most part Li ion batteries are safe. But one of the participants at the Alton Gathering had a cell phone battery get so hot it melted the case.
On the charging side of things, Ray the previous owner, had installed 3 dual USB charging stations: helm, shelf over hanging locker and on the"navigator" side of the console. They are all limited by a 2 hour charging timer. If you want more, you have to push the button again to start the timer over. For the most part Li ion batteries are safe. But one of the participants at the Alton Gathering had a cell phone battery get so hot it melted the case.
Foggy":xf6ctkuh said:
"...lithium battery caused fires are very rare."
Funny, TSA doesn't think so. Or several hundered folks who have had cell batteries melt or burn, electric scooterboards, and vape devices burn up in their pockets or under charging conditions.
Harvey
SleepyC:moon
Yes, that sounds correct despite
"Cases of lithium-ion battery fires have been isolated, but well publicized."
—https://heavy.com/tech/2016/10/how-to-prevent-lithium-ion-battery-fires-rechargeable-batteries-can-cause-fires-note-7-hoverboards
and
"Tesla claims that gasoline powered cars are about 11 times more likely to catch
fire than a Tesla. It says the best comparison is fires per 1 billion miles driven. It
says the 300,000 Teslas on the road have been driven a total of 7.5 billion miles,
and about 40 fires have been reported. That works out to five fires for every billion
miles traveled, compared to a rate of 55 fires per billion miles traveled in gasoline
cars."
—https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/news/companies/electric-car-fire-risk/index.html
Also, users are at fault for fires from misuse of Li-ion batteries (dropping,
crushing, crowding, overcharging, extension cords, etc).
Should we be used to seemingly contradictory statements from federal sources by now?
Aye.
"Cases of lithium-ion battery fires have been isolated, but well publicized."
—https://heavy.com/tech/2016/10/how-to-prevent-lithium-ion-battery-fires-rechargeable-batteries-can-cause-fires-note-7-hoverboards
and
"Tesla claims that gasoline powered cars are about 11 times more likely to catch
fire than a Tesla. It says the best comparison is fires per 1 billion miles driven. It
says the 300,000 Teslas on the road have been driven a total of 7.5 billion miles,
and about 40 fires have been reported. That works out to five fires for every billion
miles traveled, compared to a rate of 55 fires per billion miles traveled in gasoline
cars."
—https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/news/companies/electric-car-fire-risk/index.html
Also, users are at fault for fires from misuse of Li-ion batteries (dropping,
crushing, crowding, overcharging, extension cords, etc).
Should we be used to seemingly contradictory statements from federal sources by now?
Aye.
The problem with Li battery fires is that they can be difficult to extinguish. Commercial boats should carry fire gloves and burn proof bags for battery fires the same as on commercial aircraft (RC hobbyists also have them).
There should also be a burn proof area for recharging batteries, especially larger size ones. Again, like serious RC hobbyists have. Li batteries should not be left unattended when charging.
A number of hobbyists houses and cars have burned due to Li battery fires.
There should also be a burn proof area for recharging batteries, especially larger size ones. Again, like serious RC hobbyists have. Li batteries should not be left unattended when charging.
A number of hobbyists houses and cars have burned due to Li battery fires.
Li-ion batteries have liquid electrolytes and little, if any, metallic lithium.
This means a small Li-ion battery fire is a Class B fire and can be doused with
water or a standard ABC or BC extinguisher. Our local FD uses foam extinguishers
for these fires in vehicles.
Powder or dry chemical extinguishers (Class D) should not be used.
Aye.
Grandpa used to say, "Play with fire and you'll get burned."
This means a small Li-ion battery fire is a Class B fire and can be doused with
water or a standard ABC or BC extinguisher. Our local FD uses foam extinguishers
for these fires in vehicles.
Powder or dry chemical extinguishers (Class D) should not be used.
Aye.
Grandpa used to say, "Play with fire and you'll get burned."
I got a phone call from a delivery skipper, who is a friend, about this incident. One of his points was that a fire watch is mandatory on such vessels:
46 CFR § 185.410 - Watchmen.
§ 185.410 Watchmen.
The owner, charterer, master, or managing operator of a vessel carrying overnight passengers shall have a suitable number of watchmen patrol throughout the vessel during the nighttime, whether or not the vessel is underway, to guard against, and give alarm in case of, a fire, man overboard, or other dangerous situation.
There is nothing about the size of vessel, or number of passengers--this is a requirement period.
He was of the impression (for several reasons) that the crew had little if any fire fighting training. One point he made is apparently someone opened the door to the galley--and that would give more oxygen to the inflatable gas and material.
Many of my professional mariner have mandated fire fighting training on a regular basis--just as CPR and First air certification is also required.
The various types of li ion batteries have different risks of explosion or over heating. As many technical items they must be respected. I have 200 amp hours of 12 volt LiFePO4 batteries under my bunk. Perhaps I should put a fire suppression system there? But Have redundant temperatures sensors from the battery chargers which serve these batteries. Also the large batteries, have internal protection from thermal run away--which usually happens either during high capacity charging or discharge. (Ie the battery conducitn shuts down internally if the temp or current exceeds a certain limit. Small batteries don't have these type of devices.
We won't see the final report for 12 to 18 months. But CG has issued several bulletins about standing fire watches, and about safety precautions with any battery charging system.
46 CFR § 185.410 - Watchmen.
§ 185.410 Watchmen.
The owner, charterer, master, or managing operator of a vessel carrying overnight passengers shall have a suitable number of watchmen patrol throughout the vessel during the nighttime, whether or not the vessel is underway, to guard against, and give alarm in case of, a fire, man overboard, or other dangerous situation.
There is nothing about the size of vessel, or number of passengers--this is a requirement period.
He was of the impression (for several reasons) that the crew had little if any fire fighting training. One point he made is apparently someone opened the door to the galley--and that would give more oxygen to the inflatable gas and material.
Many of my professional mariner have mandated fire fighting training on a regular basis--just as CPR and First air certification is also required.
The various types of li ion batteries have different risks of explosion or over heating. As many technical items they must be respected. I have 200 amp hours of 12 volt LiFePO4 batteries under my bunk. Perhaps I should put a fire suppression system there? But Have redundant temperatures sensors from the battery chargers which serve these batteries. Also the large batteries, have internal protection from thermal run away--which usually happens either during high capacity charging or discharge. (Ie the battery conducitn shuts down internally if the temp or current exceeds a certain limit. Small batteries don't have these type of devices.
We won't see the final report for 12 to 18 months. But CG has issued several bulletins about standing fire watches, and about safety precautions with any battery charging system.