The reason I bring this up is that a friend of mine was at Powell for the last few weeks. He slipped and fell down a sandstone bank, and scraped his knees and elbows. He did clean the wounds, but perhaps not to my standards (?). He developed an abscess in the elbow joint "sac" a few days later, and had to have it drained by a surgeon and IV antibiotics given. I don't know what bacteria was involved, but never assume that any water you boat in or soil you come in contact with is not filled with "bad bacteria".
Last week on The Hull Truth, there was a thread about marine infections. This involved Vibrio Vulnificus and a death. this is an infection which is fairly common in warm salt water or even brackish water. It is described as a "flesh eating bacteria" If some of our microbiologist friends don't jump in, I'll go into some of the bacteriology of this. It is a relation of cholera, and several other of the species such as Vibrio Parahaemolyticus, which can also cause gastroenteritis or a stomach infection.
The danger of any of these is sepsis, or a blood stream infection and a simple scrape can go from a simple wound to life threatening in a matter of hours. These bacteria are also carried in oysters, as well as several other marine pathogens. (Apalachicola oysters are tested every day, and are one of the few I eat)
Pardon my reposting what I put on THT here, but it is important, since there are about 35 deaths a year from these type of infections--and a lot of morbidity reported by CDC.
V. vulnificus can cause disease in those who eat contaminated seafood or have an open wound that is exposed to seawater. Among healthy people, ingestion of V. vulnificus can cause vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. In immunocompromised persons, particularly those with chronic liver disease, V. vulnificus can infect the bloodstream, causing a severe and life-threatening illness characterized by fever and chills, decreased blood pressure (septic shock), and blistering skin lesions. V. vulnificus bloodstream infections are fatal about 50% of the time.
V. vulnificus can cause an infection of the skin when open wounds are exposed to warm seawater; these infections may lead to skin breakdown and ulceration. Persons who are immunocompromised are at higher risk for invasion of the organism into the bloodstream and potentially fatal complications.
There are a number of other bacteria which can live in salt water, but this is the worse. Do not go into the water with open wounds: be cautious eating raw Oysters.
Offshore you are much safer, as in areas away from other people and potential sewage spill.
Next the use of bleach; Both bleach and hydrogen peroxide have been used for "sanitizing wounds" Neither are recommended because they cause the tissue to die, although these agents may or may not kill the pathogens.
Rather, using sterile water or sterile saline (you can boil water to give sterile water), and Betadine, an Iodine based antiseptic surgical soap (be sure the patient is not allergic to iodine), with forceful irrigation with a sterile solution and surgical type of scrub brush to remove any debris, sand, shell etc from the wound.
How to handle wounds in salt water, fresh water, or areas in contact with soil and sand.
Stop bleeding--direct pressure on a wound.
Clean the wound very throughly; use a scrub brush to clean the wound.
Irrigate the wound; do not use sea water or lake water.
Get rid of any debris deep in the wound, and scrub, wash with Betadine solution, leaving it in contact for at least 5 minutes.
If you have to use Steristrips to close the wound, leave them loose, so that if there is any drainage, it can seep out. If there is dead skin or debris, trim this off with sterile scissors or a sharp blade. If any sign of infection, see a physician ASAP.
If there is an access it should be drained--best by a physician. I carry #11 Xacto blades which have been sterilized in my first aid kit for this purpose.
These are some of the infections I saw when in practice: MRSA
Vibrio Vulnificus and Vibro parahaemolyticus , Several species of Pseudomonas and Mycobacterium Marinum. Also a number of species of Staph, Strep and Coliforms are also seen in salt water infections. One other group not often thought of is atypical tuberculosis mycobacteria. If you have an infection, which is recurrent or resistant to treatment a culture, considering all of these other infections agents must be considered.
I was asked about antibiotics:
I suggest that triple antibiotic ointment (bacitracin, neomycin, and polymyxin B) always be carried aboard, and after cleaning and debriding applied to any surface scrape or abrasion. I do not recommend ichthyic ointment.
The question about oral antibiotics is an excellent one. Yes, I do recommend if you are going to be more than a few hours from medical care, that antibiotics prescribed by your physician be aboard. Specifically for Vibrio vulnificus the best oral antibiotics would be Vibramycin and Cepro. However, a Vibrio infection is a medical emergency for a person with an open wound or immune compromised condition. If you are suspicious, go to the ER immediately, don't wait to see if is "better in the morning!"
So carry a scrub brush, a container which you can use to boil water to be sure it is sterile and Betadine solution and gloves so you can work with a wound. I also have used the # 11 Xacto blade to work debris out of wounds.
I have treated abscesses even offshore, as in the TransPac. Where one of my crew members had a puncture wound from a barb on a metal halyard, and developed a deep abscess on his finger within 48 hours of the injury. I drained it almost immediately when I was shown the wound, and started him on antibiotics.
Last week on The Hull Truth, there was a thread about marine infections. This involved Vibrio Vulnificus and a death. this is an infection which is fairly common in warm salt water or even brackish water. It is described as a "flesh eating bacteria" If some of our microbiologist friends don't jump in, I'll go into some of the bacteriology of this. It is a relation of cholera, and several other of the species such as Vibrio Parahaemolyticus, which can also cause gastroenteritis or a stomach infection.
The danger of any of these is sepsis, or a blood stream infection and a simple scrape can go from a simple wound to life threatening in a matter of hours. These bacteria are also carried in oysters, as well as several other marine pathogens. (Apalachicola oysters are tested every day, and are one of the few I eat)
Pardon my reposting what I put on THT here, but it is important, since there are about 35 deaths a year from these type of infections--and a lot of morbidity reported by CDC.
V. vulnificus can cause disease in those who eat contaminated seafood or have an open wound that is exposed to seawater. Among healthy people, ingestion of V. vulnificus can cause vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. In immunocompromised persons, particularly those with chronic liver disease, V. vulnificus can infect the bloodstream, causing a severe and life-threatening illness characterized by fever and chills, decreased blood pressure (septic shock), and blistering skin lesions. V. vulnificus bloodstream infections are fatal about 50% of the time.
V. vulnificus can cause an infection of the skin when open wounds are exposed to warm seawater; these infections may lead to skin breakdown and ulceration. Persons who are immunocompromised are at higher risk for invasion of the organism into the bloodstream and potentially fatal complications.
There are a number of other bacteria which can live in salt water, but this is the worse. Do not go into the water with open wounds: be cautious eating raw Oysters.
Offshore you are much safer, as in areas away from other people and potential sewage spill.
Next the use of bleach; Both bleach and hydrogen peroxide have been used for "sanitizing wounds" Neither are recommended because they cause the tissue to die, although these agents may or may not kill the pathogens.
Rather, using sterile water or sterile saline (you can boil water to give sterile water), and Betadine, an Iodine based antiseptic surgical soap (be sure the patient is not allergic to iodine), with forceful irrigation with a sterile solution and surgical type of scrub brush to remove any debris, sand, shell etc from the wound.
How to handle wounds in salt water, fresh water, or areas in contact with soil and sand.
Stop bleeding--direct pressure on a wound.
Clean the wound very throughly; use a scrub brush to clean the wound.
Irrigate the wound; do not use sea water or lake water.
Get rid of any debris deep in the wound, and scrub, wash with Betadine solution, leaving it in contact for at least 5 minutes.
If you have to use Steristrips to close the wound, leave them loose, so that if there is any drainage, it can seep out. If there is dead skin or debris, trim this off with sterile scissors or a sharp blade. If any sign of infection, see a physician ASAP.
If there is an access it should be drained--best by a physician. I carry #11 Xacto blades which have been sterilized in my first aid kit for this purpose.
These are some of the infections I saw when in practice: MRSA
Vibrio Vulnificus and Vibro parahaemolyticus , Several species of Pseudomonas and Mycobacterium Marinum. Also a number of species of Staph, Strep and Coliforms are also seen in salt water infections. One other group not often thought of is atypical tuberculosis mycobacteria. If you have an infection, which is recurrent or resistant to treatment a culture, considering all of these other infections agents must be considered.
I was asked about antibiotics:
I suggest that triple antibiotic ointment (bacitracin, neomycin, and polymyxin B) always be carried aboard, and after cleaning and debriding applied to any surface scrape or abrasion. I do not recommend ichthyic ointment.
The question about oral antibiotics is an excellent one. Yes, I do recommend if you are going to be more than a few hours from medical care, that antibiotics prescribed by your physician be aboard. Specifically for Vibrio vulnificus the best oral antibiotics would be Vibramycin and Cepro. However, a Vibrio infection is a medical emergency for a person with an open wound or immune compromised condition. If you are suspicious, go to the ER immediately, don't wait to see if is "better in the morning!"
So carry a scrub brush, a container which you can use to boil water to be sure it is sterile and Betadine solution and gloves so you can work with a wound. I also have used the # 11 Xacto blade to work debris out of wounds.
I have treated abscesses even offshore, as in the TransPac. Where one of my crew members had a puncture wound from a barb on a metal halyard, and developed a deep abscess on his finger within 48 hours of the injury. I drained it almost immediately when I was shown the wound, and started him on antibiotics.