C-Dory Burgee Order!

[Da Nag]

Flags and other communication means which need to be discernable from a distance need to be simple enough to be seen and deciphered far away. Small print and details can merge into something hard to discern.

Quite true. And even though I could care less what burgee somebody decides to fly, I think the C-Brat logo is a poor choice for these reasons.

Still - if anyone wishes to use the C-Brat logo or some derivative of it for a burgee, that's certainly within the "personal use" requirement Mike and I have asked of anyone using the logo. As long as any such burgee is sold at cost + shipping, have at it.

 

[flagold]

Well, I seem to have missed out on all the festivities, but was one of the first to order two. In honor of the past I will immediately rip one to shreds and step on it upon receipt . . .

Just PM me with what I owe when the time comes, please.

 

[Cheers]

accepted this "assignment"

From whom? Just curious.

 

[Papillon]

Joe Said:
accepted this "assignment"


Cheers Said: From whom? Just curious.

I made the nomanation and about 8 others seconded it....if you don't want one then don't order one and if you or anyone wants something different...then go for it, do your own thing.

 

[Sea Wolf]

accepted this "assignment"

From whom? Just curious.

Perhaps a bad choice of words, but I did know that I could

1. Identify the burgee, and

2. Locate the original source.


I also anticipated that once I'd done the above, that folks would be interested in obtaining them, and that they would be looking for someone to organize the effort. I thought that I could do the group a simple favor by going ahead and volunteering to take and place the orders.

I also suspected that there might be some resistance to the old logo/burgee because anything associated with that era and fiasco brings strong feelings from a few who won't seem to let it rest.

But the design is itself very simple, straightforward, and artistically pleasing. If so, why re-invent the wheel?

And for that matter, if I'm not mistaken, the pennant came from the era of the C-Dog site that followed the big problem, and many of us were members of both sites during those following years and feel quite comfortable with this burgee as it represents "C-Dorys" to us, and not "C-Dogs" or anything else.

I did also consider the possibility of designing a new burgee, but that, for me at least, was beyond the scope of what I had time to commit to.

In the final analysis, I did, in fact, go ahead and let interest develop to see if there was sufficient interest in this burgee to pursue obtaining some as a simple, straight-forward task.

If someone else wants to re-invent the burgee, be my guest!

Maybe we need two burgees, anyway, like having two political parties in a two-party system!

Or............................ maybe we don't want to go there, after all!

Thanks for asking! :lol:

Joe.

 

[fisherkb]

Interesting thread. I don't know the history but put me down for one (whatever the design).

thanks,

Karl

 

[DaveS]

Personally, I would hope that someone with "artistic talent" (read...not me! :roll: ), would design a new burgee that conveyed association with C-Brats. Since, I still consider the C-Ranger and C-Tug 25' to be an integral part of our group, the C-DOG burgee clearly denotes only the design of the traditional C-Dory, which to me is not indicative of those vessels and who knows what kind of new design C-Dory will come up with next.
If C-Brat members flew a C-Brat burgee, it would be clear, when you see them on the water that they are someone we know or have "spoken with" on line.

In the meantime, not wishing to divide "my" fellow C-Brats in a two political party system, I will fly only the American Flag. (For those of you in Canada and other country's I would certainly enjoy viewing your country's flag).

(and yes, I do harbor some negative feelings from the past, which I'm sure many of you don't understand..........that being said, I'm certainly not going to fire any cannon balls across anyone's bow if they choose to fly the C-DOG flag, because like many of you, I served my time in the military so we could have these freedoms to "fly" anything we choose :thup ).

 

[cpt vic]

don't know what all the fuss is about, before my time,
argghh..we be flying our "jolly roger"

 

[drjohn71a]

I'd like a couple of the pictoral version. I think the boat on the C-Brat's version looks really tiny. I vote for peace an all fronts here, though!!!

I just hope noone will aim their cannons at me for flying one atop the mast of my Hobie Adventure Island sailboat!!!

Two please...

and thanks!!!!

John

 

[ccflyer]

Ok

I had one of my artists do a burgee design based upon the C-Dory logo and font. These are posted in my album.

This design would accomodate both dorys and tugs.

If you all like it, I can sent the graphic file along to whomever in whatever format is required.

Phil

 

[drjohn71a]

I'd like the ones with the picture on it in lieu of words, please.

John

 

[Sneaks]

Ok

I had one of my artists do a burgee design based upon the C-Dory logo and font. These are posted in my album.
Phil

I like the one below, but without the dot com part but maybe add a trim. We are first and foremost C-Brats.



Then again a caricature of a balding boater or a bottle of C-Brat wine or maybe a keg of Bratbeer might work as well.

:smiled

I know if the present burgee is kept as-is, there's no way to avoid a certain amount of hard feelings among those who weathered the bitter personality storms that created Brats in the first place. Easy to avoid by simply having a little patience and create something new and appropriate.

Put me down for an "appropriately new" Burgee. I'll be glad to wait

Don

 

[drjohn71a]

I don't see how a past disagreement can nullify the lateral outline of the basic boat design. I think anyone can make up what they want, but for me, I like the simplified outline of the boat on the old pennant.

Is a country or a state supposed to trash their flag if there is a history of some argument in the past?

John

 

[Byrdman]

ALL RISE!!!!!! SMACK - SMACK

The honorable Judge Golden Retriever will now take control of this court room...

Sorry guys... but you have to see the great bench Phil has on his boat with his dog purched proudly...and ready to hit the waters.

Brother Mike... Now I think I know another lab that might like to get back out on the Cumberland every now and then too...once the curtains come back up????

Byrdman

 

[Sea Wolf]

Well, in a day and a half we have 20 orders for the old pennant (some by PM), and the expected bad press for anything remotely connected with the old Dale era!

The skeletons must still hang in the closets out there somewhere!

I guess three things in life are certain: death, taxes, and bad remembrances about the fallout with Dale!

(I do want to say, however, that I strongly believe that these feelings do not include the C-Dog site that was reformed by Ken McCullough.)

Still and all- What a dilemma!

I know it's not worth partially dismembering this fine group of people and site to ram something objectionable down the throats of the few, even if most of us folks have put it behind us, or are new and have no knowledge of the past.

I do want you to know that I did and still do agree with the management here and those others who were involved with the split and reformation, just that I'm personally ready to forget it and get on with something, - anything-, new, positive, and fun!

Perhaps the best way to deal with this problem is to see if we really can design a better burgee.*

A new, quality, and agreed upon design would solve the problem and get us on down the road with something new and positive for all to enjoy!

But can we come up with a better design? Lets find out!

Here are thedesign considerations that Burgees.com recommends.

All our propsed designs should be judged against the recommendations above as they represent the voice of experience.

The positive thing about the older design is it's simplicity and ease of recognition. Can we equal or beat it?

So what do you have to offer?

* I want to express my sincere gratitude to all of those of you who have expressed your support for this project and myself during this spin in the washing machine. I'm not abandoning our ship, just looking for a better paint job since this one is drawing fire from friends and foes alike! I havent changed my feelings about the issue, but know that being stubborn and arrogant is not in our overall best interests.

Thanks,

Joe. :thup

P.S. : Il'll PM all the folks with orders later after the design is worked out to see if you are still interested.

 

[Anne-B]

Put us down for a burgee whatever the design.

 

[ccflyer]

Joe -

I read the "requirements" at burgees.com regarding lettering. I understand what they are saying and it is correct as I pointed out in an earlier post in this thread. But many flag companies will suggest lettering two cut parts and then sewing them together, back to back. If the material isn't sufficiently opaque, a liner is added.

The "hard feelings" predate my membership so I'm in the dark and liked both designs. Heck, I'd buy one of each - of course neither incorporates the tugs. I had the artist add the .com to "drive traffic to the site" - sorry its hard to get business out of my blood.

When/if there is consensus on what the group wants, I'm happy to put one of my guys on it to get it "camera ready".

Let's all remember the old saying: "A camel was really a horse designed by a committee." :lol:

 

[flagold]

Agree Joe, I withdraw my offer and breathe a sigh of relief the site did not implode over such a simple thing.

I myself am completely unburdened by



secure in the knowledge that God sent:

Reverend Elijah Craig (1738-1808) who must have known a thing or two about strife when he invented bourbon whiskey. Thank God for Baptist preachers!

Suggest you all get out and get some, before turning into an



http://www.ellenjaye.com/ghosts.htm

All in good fun.

 

[JamesTXSD]

In the spirit of "let no good deed go unpunished", here's a roughed-up consideration for a neutral burgee:



Simple, three contrast colors, hopefully all-encompassing.

Whatever the decision, Joe, thank you for bringing this up, and put us down for one.

Best wishes,
Jim B.

 

[alandgin]

Hey Joe,
Put us down for one . . . . . doesn't matter what shape, color, size. I think we'll be able to afford it. And, as for plagiarizing, hell no one on our lake (Island Lake) will know the difference. Once we get Foxy Lady in the water she'll be the only C-Dory on these waters. If our buddies down in Duluth-Superior see our new burgee up here or out on Lake Superior they'll be with envy.

We :love ya for your efforts! :hug :lips :hug2