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Or it might be decadents.... In any case this is not unique to the Salmon fisheries. We have the same issues in the Gulf of Mexico. Pensacola's major economy for many years was the red snapper fishery. Now the private for hire season is June 1 to July 22. Commercial and private angling is also severely impacted. Same story with various species of grouper.

In S. Calif during the 1940's we would always catch a barracuda or sea bass trolling on the way to or from Catalina. There were plenty of pink abalone. There was a large sardine fishery which produced almost 800,000 tons a year in the 1930's. There was a fleet of almost 400 "Tuna Clippers" in San Pedro in the mid 20th century--now a handful.

Different politics, and causes--same results. Fishings have all declined.
 
Or it might be decadents.... In any case this is not unique to the Salmon fisheries. We have the same issues in the Gulf of Mexico. Pensacola's major economy for many years was the red snapper fishery. Now the private for hire season is June 1 to July 22. Commercial and private angling is also severely impacted. Same story with various species of grouper.

In S. Calif during the 1940's we would always catch a barracuda or sea bass trolling on the way to or from Catalina. There were plenty of pink abalone. There was a large sardine fishery which produced almost 800,000 tons a year in the 1930's. There was a fleet of almost 400 "Tuna Clippers" in San Pedro in the mid 20th century--now a handful.

Different politics, and causes--same results. Fishings have all declined.

Excellent points, and perhaps many of the same causes there as here. When I was a child, I fished for striped bass, gathered oysters, and caught blue crabs ad lib in the Chesapeake Bay with my waterman father. The bass and oysters disappeared, and I'm pretty sure overharvesting caused it, but with banning (and enforcement of laws) of collecting oysters and fishing for the bass, they are coming back, particularly farmed (and protected) oysters. Again, overharvest and other causes. Farmed fish had nothing to do with these, and when we eliminate fish farming here, it will not solve or probably even help the problems of salmon decline. It is easy to hate fish farming as a handy scapegoat; however, and exploding fish certainly make great newspaper headlines for activist scientists that want to be in the news and have social causes.

If you want to believe that particular cultures, such as tribes, can't hurt salmon, then you are wrong. I found a free floating gill net that probably had been strung across the Nisqually river and broken free from flooding and washed into Oro Bay, south Puget Sound. Only natives can do this legally, and the practice is incredibly destructive to migrating salmon. The net was full of rotting fish and crabs, and an attraction to live crabs that were tangled. I have removed several lost gill nets, often when scuba diving, and they always contain fish bones, decaying fish and recently killed fish. Not a problem? They are the "gift" that keeps on killing.

Tribal fisherman would be among the ones to most benefit from higher native salmon prices. That said, I admire the way the tribes restrict their almost limitless harvest rights here. As far as I can tell, they have the legal right to pretty much take all of the resource, and they don't.

By the way, PRV appears to be nothing new in farmed or wild stocks. Presence may be universal in salmon, and also common in non-salmon species.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0141475

With strong, well-designed, large-scale, scientific research that refutes the assumption of recent introduction of PRV, why would I think a study that picked sick salmon out of pens by an activist who made up their mind a long time ago could be used as a clear conclusion for farmed salmon causing this in wild stocks? Wild salmon are not protected in pens and not fed. Any juvenile that has a defect will be rapidly removed by predators or starvation in the wild. It is very hard to conclude that PRV kills wild salmon when it appears to be present in nearly all of them when studied, as well as trout and other fish species.

I won't discount that there are different strains of PRV, just like there are strains of flu, and I won't state definitively that it isn't a problem. I don't know, but an activist scientist will typically not say that. They KNOW.
 
Robhwa, good article and excellent points. A more global approach (might be biased because by Government sources.) is here by Fisheries and Oceans Canada

A question I have after reading that and several other articles--what is the history of Heart and skeletal muscle inflammatory disease, the hemolytic diseases and liver failure associated with PRV, prior to 1999? Fish farming in BC began in 1970 and by 1993, when were began regular cruising in the area, was common. It is entirely possible that a vector such as the herring or other food fish is a vector in the spread of the diseases.

It seems as if the mortality and unsuitability for market is much higher in the farmed fish. Your points about natural selection are well taken. I would think the density of the farmed fish would lead to a more rapid spread, and more overt disease, as happened in Norway.

The last paragraph of your linked article:
Little genetic differentiation was observed among sequence types since 2001. This suggests that the circulating virus sequence types are relatively stable in western North American Pacific waters and rules out a recent introduction of PRV into the western North Pacific as suggested by Kibenge et al [10]. However, the mechanisms by which the virus is globally distributed, as well as transmission pathways remain to be elucidated.
 
A question I have after reading that and several other articles--what is the history of Heart and skeletal muscle inflammatory disease, the hemolytic diseases and liver failure associated with PRV, prior to 1999? Fish farming in BC began in 1970 and by 1993, when were began regular cruising in the area, was common. It is entirely possible that a vector such as the herring or other food fish is a vector in the spread of the diseases.

It seems as if the mortality and unsuitability for market is much higher in the farmed fish. Your points about natural selection are well taken. I would think the density of the farmed fish would lead to a more rapid spread, and more overt disease, as happened in Norway.

I haven't found much about PRV studies in prior years. Probably no knowledge on that. Remember that a lot of the genetic techniques (Polymerized chain reaction, etc.) of identifying viruses and strains are pretty recent, and only very recently common and now relatively inexpensive. My daughter was using these genetic techniques the other day in her lab at the U Washington in Seattle. It wasn't even available when I was her age.

The study I referenced mentioned using archived samples taken during times when methods used weren't so easy. There is some potential for getting very old cans of salmon, etc., and seeing if the virus was present a long time ago, but I am not a salmon scientist and unaware of any studies older than the one I referenced in the region. PRV was identified by other methods earlier, but not much earlier. Maybe if I dig some of those freezer-burne Alaska salmon out of the bottom of my deep freeze....

Farmed salmon are clearly are closed in, may or may not be under more stress (being protected, treated with antibiotics and fed may be less stressful than under predation and near starving?), but population density probably outweighs any of these for virus spread and concentration in tissue. Research results bear this out...the virus spreads easier in pens, and can spread from pens to nearby areas.

There is a correlation between distance to farmed salmon and concentration of PRV. There is no established relationship between concentration of PRV and disease, though it probably makes sense. You find few deformed and diseased fish in the wild, so you can't do a controlled study as you can in pens. Deformed and diseased wild fish don't survive. Actually, if we think of food for Orcas, it is probably the weak salmon that get eaten first. Diseased and deformed fish in pens can survive to be picked out and displayed. All salmon are sorted and rated similar to apples in Wenatchee. The best are sorted out and sold to stores and restaurants whole and maybe exported. In Wenatchee the deformed apples are turned into juice. I don't know what happens to the lesser quality fish, wild or farmed.

PRV is in Alaska, BC, Washington, Chilean, Norwegian, pretty much any fish, not just salmon that has been tested for it. Indeed, it may be the flu virus of fish? I am just speculating on that. I have opinions too. Another factor, identical to flu, is that there are strains, and all aren't likely of similar infectiousness or effect. Again, speculation.

A fish biologist recently told me that fish farming is alive and well in Alaska, producing a billion pounds of product per year, but trying to keep out of the spotlight, and salmon farming is not common and being phased out due to political pressure and the pristine image of wild Alaska salmon.

The image of wild Alaska salmon is somewhat deserved. I can and do pay dearly for it, perhaps a hundred dollars a pound when you think of the costs of going there and fishing, licenses, etc. I am lucky. I can take a filet my family caught out of that deep freeze and prepare it almost any time I want. However, many people don't have the luxury of paying an extremely high price, and farmed salmon in Washington provide jobs and cheaper access to salmon. Eliminating farmed salmon will drive up the price of salmon overall. That is easy for us to force on people when we have the ability to pay for and operate C-Dorys. If we can afford that we can afford a higher price for salmon.

I do not like salmon farming. I not not eat farmed salmon. I do farm oysters and clams on my floats and tidelands and all are not native except the Olympia oyster, which is unproductive. When is the last time anyone ate a native Washington oyster in a restaurant? Whey do many people think differently about farmed shellfish?

My opinions are not entirely based on science. I just think blaming farmed salmon on the decline of wild salmon in general probably misses many of the real issues. Salmon farming is a handy scapegoat when tribal fisheries, commercial fisheries, sport fisheries, and many, many other factors also lead to the decline of salmon.

I do believe that everyone that posted here has the interest of wild salmon, either hatchery stocked or native spawned, at heart. Most of us probably fish, all of us boat, and we want to keep doing so. If we catch or eat salmon, or run our boats, and I do all of these, we are part of the problem, but if we can help with other issues (i.e. habitat, pollution, science, hatcheries, paying for enforcement), we can also be part of solutions.

This is my last post on this. I appreciate everyone's comments and opinions. I'm sure we will see more on this issue in the future, and I am looking forward to the annual run of chinook, coho, and hopefully, lots and lots and lots of pinks, running by my shore. I would fight tooth and nail to keep salmon farming out of Oro Bay, that is for sure. However, I don't think I will have to.
 
I guess I've stayed out of this as long as I can. As a person with 10 years of fish farming experience it's been hard to keep my opinions to myself.
Starting in 1980 I went to work for Domsea Farms We raised up to 20 million pounds of Silver salmon a year in net pens in puget sound. King salmon had to be raised in such low densitys that it was not profitable.
Domsea had a staff of word class biologist, dietitions and geneticist that developed their top producing strains of silvers that grew faster than wild fish.
Fish convert feed very well in their life cycle. 1.9 pounds of feed equals 1 pound of fish. Try that with cows or pigs.
We had two large freshwater sites in Rochester Washington that had had a 30 million egg capacity. From egg to smolts these fish were babied , if a isolated group of eggs or fish became sick, they were treated or destroyed.
We worked very closely with the UofW and national marine fisheries on all aspects of fish rearing. With clean well maintained sites and disease monitoring fish farming is a viable way to produce food stocks.
In 1989 Global Aqua a Norwegian company bought out Domsea farms and started raising Atlantic salmon because they grow faster than the native silvers or kings. I did not agree with this and left the company and now 29 years later Cook aquaculture owns most all of the salmon farms and net pens.
I still know several of Salmon farmers who work for Cook aquaculture, they feel like they were hit by a buss and have a very unsure future. These are good paying jobs and will put a dent in the economy if shut down.
There, I've had my rant and will let everyone elses emotions run wild.
 
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Larry thanks for the link. I see a C Dory in the header. I was amazed when I brought up the number of salmon farms in all of the PNW--I have been going into this area since about 1950. Even 25 years ago there were relatively few of the farms.

Hyjack alert!
Bob, that C-Dory you see in that header is owned by Alexandra Morton, Also in that photo. She started her career as an observer and documentor of the BC orca population. I believe she is the holder of the title for owning the same C-Dory the longest. I don't have the mfg date on that one but i believe it is mid 80's. Her's is the first C-Dory I ever saw, pictured in some orca stuff I was following back when....

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
If you would like a wonderful introduction to Alexandra, consider her first book with Billy Proctor; another legend. The book is titled: "Heart of the Raincoast; A Life Story".
 
DW":s0439xdm said:
If you would like a wonderful introduction to Alexandra, consider her first book with Billy Proctor; another legend. The book is titled: "Heart of the Raincoast; A Life Story".

Excellent book, and Billy is a most interesting person. He is a living legend and a nice guy too. I have visited at his museum several times, and had him come to my boat in Shoal Bay twice.

I met Alexandra in Alert Bay a couple of years ago. I wanted to talk C-Dory, but she was all about the salmon, the farms and what they were doing to the salmon and orca. I spent some time at her research station just south of Echo Bay. That was one ofvthe highlights of my Broughton cruise in 2016.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
What good fortune. I have blasted past their place on the way up to Glacier Bay and have always wanted to go back. Retirement is nearing and that might just happen. But regardless, I am so thankful to the work and example of Alexandra, Billy and all those that have battled to keep this a very special place. And the work they do to protect our food source is completely under rated by both governments and most of the population on both sides of the border. Great to see this cause on the C-Brats site.
 
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