Bad, bad SPOT (User...)

Casey

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I think most of us would agree that the SPOT device is useful in a serious sense, and fun in a follow-your-friends sense.

Here is a pretty good(bad?) example of the misuse of this good product:

Grand Canyon National Park (AZ)
Hikers Evacuated After Three SPOT Activations In Three Days

On the evening of September 23rd, rangers began a search for hikers who repeatedly activated their rented SPOT satellite tracking device. The GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston reported that someone in the group of four hikers – two men and their two teenaged sons – had pressed the “help” button on their SPOT unit. The coordinates for the signal placed the group in a remote section of the park, most likely on the challenging Royal Arch loop. Due to darkness and the remoteness of the location, rangers were unable to reach them via helicopter until the following morning. When found, they’d moved about a mile and a half to a water source. They declined rescue, as they’d activated the device due to their lack of water. Later that same evening, the same SPOT device was again activated, this time using the “911” button. Coordinates placed them less than a quarter mile from the spot where searchers had found them that morning. Once again, nightfall prevented a response by park helicopter, so an Arizona DPS helicopter whose crew utilized night vision goggles was brought in. They found that the members of the group were concerned about possible dehydration because the water they’d found tasted salty, but no actual emergency existed. The helicopter crew declined their request for a night evacuation, but provided them with water before departing. On the following morning, another SPOT “help” activation came in from the group. This time they were flown out by park helicopter. All four refused medical assessment or treatment. The group’s leader had reportedly hiked once at the Grand Canyon; the other adult had no Grand Canyon and very little backpacking experience. When asked what they would have done without the SPOT device, the leader stated, “We would have never attempted this hike.”

I think this brings up a valid point - at what point do people give up their reliance on Judgement, and put their faith in "stuff" ?

Best,
Casey
 
Certainly not the way the SPOT was intended to be used. Hopefully, these nimrods will have to pay for the cost of the equipment and manpower that was activated because of their stupid use of the SPOT.

Our daughter absolutely loves the SPOT... we hit the "We're OK" button when we're down for the day and she sleeps easier. She can see exactly where we are. We bought a year of the tracking coverage, but have rarely used it. I wouldn't spend the money for the tracking again (they had a deal on it when we bought our SPOT).

All in all, it has been all we hoped it would be. Haven't had to use the "send help" or "911" buttons, but it's nice to know they're there.

Best wishes,
Jim
 
JamesTXSD":34fqf4cp said:
Certainly not the way the SPOT was intended to be used. Hopefully, these nimrods will have to pay for the cost of the equipment and manpower that was activated because of their stupid use of the SPOT.

Ditto. But imagine if something horrible had happened to the rescue crew(s). Then what?

As many of you know, I work as a patrol deputy. My brother is a fire dept lieutenant. Combined we have over 30 yrs of experience. We both constantly comment how STUPID people are and how they misuse 911 and the emergency response system. We've seen it all, trust me; a guy with a headache calls 911 demanding an ambulance. When units arrive what's his emergency? He needs aspirin and was too lazy to go to the store. I get a call that someone called 911 and hung up. Her emergency? Her battery died and she wants a jump. This is just another example of morons misusing a system. They should be held liable/accountable for the cost of these mis-uses and brought up on charges should there be a loss of life of any rescuer responding.
 
Mark,

Agreed, there is a lot of dumb out there. Unfortunately, they also reproduce! I'm not looking for anyone taking responsibility for the dumb things they do anytime soon...
 
Yes, Roger. We comment on THAT too. They always seem to have multiple kids and then you run across a good family who begs to adopt a child. A lot of this goes to personal responsibility, which I hate to say is lacking in this "it's not my fault, I'm a victim" world.
 
localboy":1q2vbr42 said:
Yes, Roger. We comment on THAT too. They always seem to have multiple kids and then you run across a good family who begs to adopt a child. A lot of this goes to personal responsibility, which I hate to say is lacking in this "it's not my fault, I'm a victim" world.

Well - next time you get called and find out someone just needs aspirin, leave then with some form of birth control. :wink:
 
The spot should be used as a tool of last resort. I have not looked at the sales brochure for the spot. Does it have any info that would lead someone to believe that it was a information tool? This is just another example of Darwinism being short changed. We should just leave all this to nature.
Local, are you saying that people without personnel responsibility have a habit to reproduce more than the can support??/ imagine that: roll:

I often meet younger people in the S.A.C. and rein fare groups who had no idea why they should wait until they could AFFORD to have kids. Many of them did not and do not wait to get married either. I could not figure it out until I got to know them and how they think.

Why would they wait to afford to have a kid when the state will pay for it? And why get married first if a single mom can get money food rent and collage as long as she is not married. I personal know of about ten women, well kids, that have planned not to get married to their employed live in boy friend and father to their child until after they finish collage, Mostly the local community collage and a useless liberal arts degree.
This is a far more common plan then even I thought. Even now I have couples come into my office looking to buy a home that are unmarried with kids. I tell them that they should get married first (you have to be married to use the V.A. loan and count both of their incomes) they just look at me like I'm crazy.

We will stop having a single mother fatherless society when we stop paying them to do so. Want to stop the problem then stop funding it.

Ok off my box for the day, but this is a real problem and the worst part is that young people see no problem or stigma at all to unmarried births and having others pay for it. No guilt at all.
 
I have a spot tracker on my rental boats and it is quite useful for that .I know where they are and if they have a problem we know where to go . I have a canned lecture at the dock upon orientation. I call it the "call out the National Guard" button. The 911 button is covered with duct tape . No one has ever removed it and pushed it yet .The help button is after a cell phone attempt only, but I encourage them to hit the OK button whenever they feel like it . We seem to have a good "grade" of renters and maintain our boats well , so we dont have many problems.
Marc
 
This just in...

SPOT is offering a new service: the ability to track ovulation. After a great deal of public urging (or perhaps one guy from the PNW calling millions of times), the marketing department at SPOT had this to say about the new feature: "We think this new "OA feature (Ovulation Alert) will help in preventing accidents of the knocked-up variety. When an unmarried woman is ovulating, a signal will go to our Emergency Warning Center and help will be dispatched to the site to keep the woman's knees together. We're still working on the best way to get the women to swallow the SPOT device."

Yes, it's a joke. My apologies in advance for anyone offended by this lame attempt at humor. Less lame, though, than the people from Casey's original post on this thread. Just trying to respond to my buddy Tom's post and my nominating him for "Oddest Hijacking of a Thread" award. :mrgreen:

And regarding my advance apology... I'm a married guy. Sometimes I wake my wife in the morning and say, "I'm sorry, Dear." When she asks, "For what?", I say, "Well, I'm sure I'll do something to piss you off today, so I'm just getting a head start on it."

This just in: SPOT marketing is working on an "LH" button to alert authorities of lame humor. Beta testing on the device has shown a rash of alerts coming from a very active boat owners site on the internet.
 
rogerbum":1n3gyvhh said:
localboy":1n3gyvhh said:
Yes, Roger. We comment on THAT too. They always seem to have multiple kids and then you run across a good family who begs to adopt a child. A lot of this goes to personal responsibility, which I hate to say is lacking in this "it's not my fault, I'm a victim" world.

Well - next time you get called and find out someone just needs aspirin, leave then with some form of birth control. :wink:

:lol: Oh, IF I WERE KING!........................ :wink: :lol:
 
Wefings":2psblahe said:
Jim , I owe you a Lb of shrimp for that one...............
Marc

What's second prize: shrimp AND fish???
 
I want some of what Jim's .... DRINKING !
 
Jim, May I please get up off the floor now. My sides are killing me :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mark, Maybe they need a reason to have a headache before you leave, (there must be something in the law they could get hung with, false reporting, crying wolf, felony breathing :wink etc.)

Tom, You are right, and the abuse of the system goes on and on. I have seen up to four generations living under the same roof, all doing the same thing. Gets my ire up too. Here we are, the working folks, bailing out the bankers and the baby makers.

OK, I'll keep working so I can keep buying boat gas. There goes my retiredment. :cry

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
There was another misuse of SPOT in somewhat of a different way. I may not have the exact details correct, but this is close. A sailboat was being tracked in the Carribbean by family and friends via spot. The boat ran into heavy weather, and pulled around the lee side of an Island, thus anchored for the night. The crew turned off the SPOT. The relitatives noted that the transmissions had stopped, and called the SPOT emergency service, who called the Coast Guard. Coast Guard went out, and found the boat the next AM--with some expense of jets, helo etc. When contacted the skipper of the boat, said "If I had an emergency, I would have activated my EPRIB". Certainly not the fault of the skipper, but that of an overly anxious family.

I agree that any emergency service (and we see that in medicine in the Emergency room) can easily be misused. It always diverts resource from where they are needed.

I wonder if the hikers had a small hand held GPS, which showed them the correct trail, rather than having to learned to read a Topo map?--probably likely.
 
Well, here's my 2 cents.

SPOT has developed a service and they charge for it. They're in it to make money, and there's nothing wrong with that. And part of that service is to respond to their users signals and notify the appropriate rescue service, either by an emergency signal, or (as above) calling the Coast Guard.

The problem is that neither SPOT or their users are going to pay the bill for the response. If SPOT were required to supply their own emergency response, you can bet that the price would go up. Or the random calls would cease.

Or if the responding service (and I don't know how) would specify a charge to the user, that would eliminate a lot of the BS.

Why should a government agency respond to a SPOT user who wants to know if the water is safe? They're paying SPOT, let SPOT answer the damn question.

Remember the Coast Guard isn't your baby sitter, though many people want to think so. If you call them directly (and I have) , they ask ask a lot of questions as to the "emergency," including the final one: "are you in any immediate danger?" And you've better have a good answer.

Again, people who leave the beaten track must assume some responsibility for their actions.

Boris
 
When I received this photo in my email, the title was "You can't fix STUPID!" Somehow it seems appropriate in this thread...

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Boris' example is spot on (pun intended). Say you have a home alarm. You pay the alarm company monthly. Your home has numerous false alarms. The alarm company notifies the local LE agency eah time the alarm is activated. LE responds each and every time. The alarm company makes the money while the local LE agency spends money responding to false alarms. Something has got to change.

And this IS a funny pic. :lol: :lol: Plus the guy will NEVER get it. :roll: Baseball hats have a bill for a reason...and looking "cool" isn't it.
 
We have been using SPOT fairly successfully for a full season now. Using both the standard functions, (911, help, Check OK) and have been very satisfied so far. No we have not tried the 911 or Help buttons, so I guess I don't know if they work or not, but the "Check In" and tracking functions work very well.

Here's how we do it.

"Check In" while the boat is at the launch dock. As soon as the "Check In" message comes across on Deena's phone as a text message, we switch to "Tracking" mode, where it stays until we are settled for the night. At that time, we switch tracking off and send a "Check In OK" message. When that comes through on Deena's phone (as a text message) we turn the SPOT off and it stays off until the next time we get ready to move the boat. At that time we repeat the "Check In" and tracking process.

Works for us. And I enjoy going back and seeing the tracking on Google maps later.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
bumper sticker I saw yesterday " drinking and parking leads to accidents, we call them kids"

was on a chevy pick up in everett.
 
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