Are Used C-Dory's Overpriced?
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C-Dory-less Greg in FL:
Welcome to a great "shopping" opportunity in the Southeast. That NADA makes for a nice piece of shredder fodder....or, a small pillow for your fingers if laying down on the bed and you fingers feel a little low...and ya need to rest them on something as you dream of C-Dory ownership. :xtongue :xnaughty
I have bought 3 C-Dory boats. :thup All used...sorta.
1st one just north of Daytona FL. Gave the man asking price over the phone sight unseen....with a back out clause that it was no deal if I got over there and it was not "as advertised." Well, he had 2 other full price offers, and I appreciate him holding the boat 3 days for me to get there to see it due to being in a military school that I could not leave until that weekend. Sold the boat about 2 1/2 years later for about $300 less than I paid for it to a gentleman also in the SE who just saw my post that I was driving from Alabama to Oak Harbor, WA to get my 2nd C-Dory boat....a dealership demo....sorta used, ...like others have said...but better than new in several ways.
All the "STUFF" on it was top of the line. Many of the every day little things had been corrected by two of the most anal picky boating folks I have met in my life. (Dusty and his son Les)...then....I added about $8000 of other gadgets to the boat to make it a true "cruising rig that would be self contained for about a week..." other than if I used up all the fuel... It too was a great boat, and because of it being a "demonstrator" the dealer was able to offer me a fair price, I was able to sell it about 2 1/2 years after I bought it for a fair price...
Pat and Patty bring to this dance real good points... adding stuff to any boat hull has to be done properly as to not hurt the longevity of the hull...these hulls are basically timeless if they are simply not abused... Another real good point they brought up is the fact that you do not get days of your life back...and you never know when the last one will be...and we do not get younger...
This might mean more to me today after having just buried a friend on Tuesday.....and today I can not get on my 3rd C-Dory that I bought....because I did find one of those needle in the hay stack deals....and the owner was honest enough to hold it for me the 12 hours it took me to get down and buy it from her....with...others standing there already with cash in their hands....offering her more than she was selling me the boat for...her full asking price is what I was paying.
Now, you could have been that person....I do not know.
If you were, shame on you and go buy another brand of boat. Us C-Dory owners do not treat each other that way... and if it was not you..... keep searching and looking...but keep in mind what Pat and Patty said about the days of our lives without our boats...
I can not wait to get C-Byrd back in the water. This has been the longest 3 weeks of my life without ANY C-Dory boat water ready.... and yes...when I am finished with C-Byrd, that NADA book will not even be close to what I have in her....(which reminds me I need to get a marine survey for insurance) but....I will have a basically "brand new boat"...one of the old classics....for around $16,500...with new electronics, a new enough Suzuki 4 stroke motor that the warantee will transfer to me...and a trailer that still may need a bit of help....but I have seen pictures of cutting torches and welders next to the trailer too... :smile :smileo
Send me a pm with your name/phone and email...and I will keep ya posted on when I go get her...or...when she will be delivered to the Nashville, TN area and we can enjoy a day on the water....and on a C-Dory. :beer :smiled
Those shop hours add up very fast.... Those "newer used C-Dory boats"....say....in the new to 3 year old bracket for kicks and grins....and not to offend anyone who has one 4 years old for sale.... might be a great deal. Now, if banking is the issue...you just might have to pay cash cause those uninformed bankers are "stuck on that little yellow book..."... Just ask them to buy you one and offer them $1,000 over high yellow book...and you will do fine. Or... use that home equity...and you can write most C-Dory boats off as a "second home..."....and start using it TODAY...or....keep putting it off...and never enjoy those wonderful C-Dory days on the water when the weather is bad, getting worse, and each time the weather gets worse...the boat grins a bit more...and you have another wonderful day on the water all alone...or with just the folks you brought with ya.... :smiled :note :hug :female :hug2 :dog :cat
Byrdman in Bama...Truly hoping to soon see one of those "I bought one today" post from Greg in FL... :smiled
Humm... neat chatter here
Welcome to a great "shopping" opportunity in the Southeast. That NADA makes for a nice piece of shredder fodder....or, a small pillow for your fingers if laying down on the bed and you fingers feel a little low...and ya need to rest them on something as you dream of C-Dory ownership. :xtongue :xnaughty
I have bought 3 C-Dory boats. :thup All used...sorta.
1st one just north of Daytona FL. Gave the man asking price over the phone sight unseen....with a back out clause that it was no deal if I got over there and it was not "as advertised." Well, he had 2 other full price offers, and I appreciate him holding the boat 3 days for me to get there to see it due to being in a military school that I could not leave until that weekend. Sold the boat about 2 1/2 years later for about $300 less than I paid for it to a gentleman also in the SE who just saw my post that I was driving from Alabama to Oak Harbor, WA to get my 2nd C-Dory boat....a dealership demo....sorta used, ...like others have said...but better than new in several ways.
All the "STUFF" on it was top of the line. Many of the every day little things had been corrected by two of the most anal picky boating folks I have met in my life. (Dusty and his son Les)...then....I added about $8000 of other gadgets to the boat to make it a true "cruising rig that would be self contained for about a week..." other than if I used up all the fuel... It too was a great boat, and because of it being a "demonstrator" the dealer was able to offer me a fair price, I was able to sell it about 2 1/2 years after I bought it for a fair price...
Pat and Patty bring to this dance real good points... adding stuff to any boat hull has to be done properly as to not hurt the longevity of the hull...these hulls are basically timeless if they are simply not abused... Another real good point they brought up is the fact that you do not get days of your life back...and you never know when the last one will be...and we do not get younger...
This might mean more to me today after having just buried a friend on Tuesday.....and today I can not get on my 3rd C-Dory that I bought....because I did find one of those needle in the hay stack deals....and the owner was honest enough to hold it for me the 12 hours it took me to get down and buy it from her....with...others standing there already with cash in their hands....offering her more than she was selling me the boat for...her full asking price is what I was paying.
Now, you could have been that person....I do not know.
If you were, shame on you and go buy another brand of boat. Us C-Dory owners do not treat each other that way... and if it was not you..... keep searching and looking...but keep in mind what Pat and Patty said about the days of our lives without our boats...
I can not wait to get C-Byrd back in the water. This has been the longest 3 weeks of my life without ANY C-Dory boat water ready.... and yes...when I am finished with C-Byrd, that NADA book will not even be close to what I have in her....(which reminds me I need to get a marine survey for insurance) but....I will have a basically "brand new boat"...one of the old classics....for around $16,500...with new electronics, a new enough Suzuki 4 stroke motor that the warantee will transfer to me...and a trailer that still may need a bit of help....but I have seen pictures of cutting torches and welders next to the trailer too... :smile :smileo
Send me a pm with your name/phone and email...and I will keep ya posted on when I go get her...or...when she will be delivered to the Nashville, TN area and we can enjoy a day on the water....and on a C-Dory. :beer :smiled
Those shop hours add up very fast.... Those "newer used C-Dory boats"....say....in the new to 3 year old bracket for kicks and grins....and not to offend anyone who has one 4 years old for sale.... might be a great deal. Now, if banking is the issue...you just might have to pay cash cause those uninformed bankers are "stuck on that little yellow book..."... Just ask them to buy you one and offer them $1,000 over high yellow book...and you will do fine. Or... use that home equity...and you can write most C-Dory boats off as a "second home..."....and start using it TODAY...or....keep putting it off...and never enjoy those wonderful C-Dory days on the water when the weather is bad, getting worse, and each time the weather gets worse...the boat grins a bit more...and you have another wonderful day on the water all alone...or with just the folks you brought with ya.... :smiled :note :hug :female :hug2 :dog :cat
Byrdman in Bama...Truly hoping to soon see one of those "I bought one today" post from Greg in FL... :smiled
Humm... neat chatter here
Oh...and I forgot.... that trip I took in the cab of the truck my nephew loaned me for zero charge... was a great trip cross country. I had never seen many of those states and sights... I flew my wife out and picked her up in Seattle...and she made the trip home with me...our new boat in tow, with the individual state maps of Route 66... Ya know, the only sound we listen to was a twice a day check on the VHF radio for weather update (mountains/ice/new boat/borrowed truck...not good).... and we had a blast! Is this a great Country or what...and yes... I could not stand it.... I had to buy one of those roll around women look'n suitcases with all the Route 66 stuff all over it... and yes.... I drag it with me most places I go....and wear a pink shirt with it sometimes too.. Go ahead....make my day :teeth :xnaughty :moon
Speaking of Supply & Demand, does anyone know what the annual production rate of the factory is on 22's, the most popular model they produce. It would be interesting to know?
As to NADA, it's a joke based on no known humor. A bankers way to stay on the upside of any loan and nothing more.
As to NADA, it's a joke based on no known humor. A bankers way to stay on the upside of any loan and nothing more.
When I went to transfer the title for my used C-Dory, the kid at the counter looked at me and said “I hope it is a nice boat”. He figured he could find a used boat of similar size for just a little more than I was paying in tax, registration fees and licensing. And you know, he is right. He can find a used boat for a little more than I paid in tax, registration and licensing. The difference is, I have a C-Dory and he would have a used boat.
Whaler Mike: Interesting note on the production of the 22s,... but... and I am not 100% sure about this...but, with the CD25, the TC255 also being built in the same plant that the 22s are built.... I am not sure what the ratio is. I think Jeff and Scott do an "annual production guess".... which would have to be based on the ever changing percentages of the mostly Dec-Feb boat shows for the year. Without direct input from the factory on this... I guess we could take a "stab" at it by the number of new C-Brat members who "just purchased a new hull"..... My guess is that most of them were influenced in some way by another owner, and/or this forum/site. Yes I agree in years past the 22 was the main stay...but, now that we are a few years into the CD25... their popularity is growing. I feel the same will happen with the TC255 after a couple of years in production, and for sure the CR-25 Tug, which is built in the Livingston's plant I think... will for sure gain much popularity....even with the only "top side" set up offered today. I would like to see the CR-21-EC top side modified to fit on top of the bottom of the CR-25. I like the larger aft cockpit room, and the projected 15 knot cruising speed with the economics of the diesel engine are for sure of interest.
Yes off topic but interesting ....to me... driven by Mikes 22 production thread... New C-Brats signed on = "about"
Jan06 = 57
Feb06 = 72
Mar06 = 73
Apr06 = 50
May = 83
Now do not have the time to look further...other than a lot of these are just looking and not making post... but who knows who will take this on..
What are the new C-Brat members that are "buying new buying??? which hull???
Inquiring minds that have honey-do list want to know....
Jan06 = 57
Feb06 = 72
Mar06 = 73
Apr06 = 50
May = 83
Now do not have the time to look further...other than a lot of these are just looking and not making post... but who knows who will take this on..
What are the new C-Brat members that are "buying new buying??? which hull???
Inquiring minds that have honey-do list want to know....
Byrdman,
I agree that the 25 and the Tuggy are becoming more popular, but I don't believe that either will ever
become more popular then the 22 because of the extra cost , larger power plant (25), and I think the fact
that the 22 puts more value in usable space then the 25 and is less intimidating to tow then the 22 .
One man's openion...we all have one...ya'know.
I agree that the 25 and the Tuggy are becoming more popular, but I don't believe that either will ever
become more popular then the 22 because of the extra cost , larger power plant (25), and I think the fact
that the 22 puts more value in usable space then the 25 and is less intimidating to tow then the 22 .
One man's openion...we all have one...ya'know.
One...well, I actually like refering to the elbows....we all generally have two.... ...just like C-Dorys... One to tow any and everywhere...an a larger... longer cruising version.. :thup :smiled
Yep, the CD22 is hands down so much boat for so many folks, and for sure is real handy when towing, launching and recovering.... but...if ya alreay have a 3/4 ton tow vehicle... ya gotta look at the 25s just for kicks and grins...and room....and "creature comforts" ....IF.... your cruising partner in life really thinks a boat has 2 dinner settings and expects a little tone when it is time for dinner... Yep, I have spoiled mine...but she has kept me alive to enjoy my C-Dory days!! :smileo :smilep :thup :thup :smiled :beer
...just like C-Dorys... One to tow any and everywhere...an a larger... longer cruising version.. :thup :smiled Yep, the CD22 is hands down so much boat for so many folks, and for sure is real handy when towing, launching and recovering.... but...if ya alreay have a 3/4 ton tow vehicle... ya gotta look at the 25s just for kicks and grins...and room....and "creature comforts" ....IF.... your cruising partner in life really thinks a boat has 2 dinner settings and expects a little tone when it is time for dinner... Yep, I have spoiled mine...but she has kept me alive to enjoy my C-Dory days!! :smileo :smilep :thup :thup :smiled :beer
Thanks for all the responses.
As for what a potential new buyer finds more interesting, I like the 22. I have already had a bigger boat, and the negatives of a bigger boat outweigh the positives. Extra trouble trailering, extra fuel, extra cleaning, extra everything.
Boat ownership should be fun. Big boats tend to bog you down.
Saw a 22 the other day up in crystal river. The thing had been bottom painted (shudder) and they wanted 43 grand for it.
:thdown
I saw Flagold's boat the other day. Nice! Something that does impress me with most (not all) C-dory owners is the pride of ownership that is extra evident.
:thup
FlaGold, that 'other' C-dory behind Sterling Marina has returned! I is about 10 houses down on the left.
Drifting back to the topic, I looked at that Ebay boat for 17,500. Too far away to consider for me,and I really, really, really want a Honda, Yami, or Suzuki 4 stroker. I have had two strokes and inboards, and I am ready to move on. They both Suck in their own special ways.
Anyway, you guys are pretty cool. Someday soon I will sort this all out and make a move.
As for what a potential new buyer finds more interesting, I like the 22. I have already had a bigger boat, and the negatives of a bigger boat outweigh the positives. Extra trouble trailering, extra fuel, extra cleaning, extra everything.
Boat ownership should be fun. Big boats tend to bog you down.
Saw a 22 the other day up in crystal river. The thing had been bottom painted (shudder) and they wanted 43 grand for it.
:thdown
I saw Flagold's boat the other day. Nice! Something that does impress me with most (not all) C-dory owners is the pride of ownership that is extra evident.
:thup
FlaGold, that 'other' C-dory behind Sterling Marina has returned! I is about 10 houses down on the left.
Drifting back to the topic, I looked at that Ebay boat for 17,500. Too far away to consider for me,and I really, really, really want a Honda, Yami, or Suzuki 4 stroker. I have had two strokes and inboards, and I am ready to move on. They both Suck in their own special ways.
Anyway, you guys are pretty cool. Someday soon I will sort this all out and make a move.
Guess I will chime in here..
I just got a 22 about 2 months ago.
I know a paid a premium price from a used C-Dory dealer.
But did it because.....
#1. I checked online for used ones and found I think 2-3 used ones.
all of them at least 2000 miles away. Albeit I looked after I had made a commitment on this boat.
#2. the dealer had about 3 other 22's. mine I thought was the best deal.
#3. the idea that because equipment on a boat is used, it is worthless , well lets just say that person may of never outfitted a boat. It adds a LOT to the price of a new boat.
#4. Service. first time I took her out she had some problems with the carbs.
friday at 6:30 called the place I got her from with the cell phone, the head mechanic came out to the boat with tools.I was BLOWN AWAY that they would do that! Even though he could not get her running then, it made me and my wife feel a lot better about our purchase. He told me to drop her off the next monday and he went thru the carbs with a fine tooth comb.
I guess it comes down to how long you want to wait, and how far you are willing to drive to get the rock bottom best deal.
As far as a new one is concerned, I did want to try and come up with another 20 K for a boat.
James
I just got a 22 about 2 months ago.
I know a paid a premium price from a used C-Dory dealer.
But did it because.....
#1. I checked online for used ones and found I think 2-3 used ones.
all of them at least 2000 miles away. Albeit I looked after I had made a commitment on this boat.
#2. the dealer had about 3 other 22's. mine I thought was the best deal.
#3. the idea that because equipment on a boat is used, it is worthless , well lets just say that person may of never outfitted a boat. It adds a LOT to the price of a new boat.
#4. Service. first time I took her out she had some problems with the carbs.
friday at 6:30 called the place I got her from with the cell phone, the head mechanic came out to the boat with tools.I was BLOWN AWAY that they would do that! Even though he could not get her running then, it made me and my wife feel a lot better about our purchase. He told me to drop her off the next monday and he went thru the carbs with a fine tooth comb.
I guess it comes down to how long you want to wait, and how far you are willing to drive to get the rock bottom best deal.
As far as a new one is concerned, I did want to try and come up with another 20 K for a boat.
James
james":38k6c3ob said:
Bad assumption James.
Also, "worthless" and "without monetary value" are two different concepts. Try selling your Used Fire extinquisher,. your used portable bait well, or your used GPS and you will see what I am talking about. They may be desirable to a buyer (and they certainly are) but they don't substantially move the value of the boat.
"Bad assumption James.
Also, "worthless" and "without monetary value" are two different concepts. Try selling your Used Fire extinquisher,. your used portable bait well, or your used GPS and you will see what I am talking about. They may be desirable to a buyer (and they certainly are) but they don't substantially move the value of the boat."
Humm...so let me get this straight.
Are you saying that a $500 anchor and rode (if bought new) would not add to the value of a used boat?
James
Also, "worthless" and "without monetary value" are two different concepts. Try selling your Used Fire extinquisher,. your used portable bait well, or your used GPS and you will see what I am talking about. They may be desirable to a buyer (and they certainly are) but they don't substantially move the value of the boat."
Humm...so let me get this straight.
Are you saying that a $500 anchor and rode (if bought new) would not add to the value of a used boat?
James
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gregfl":16n169jd said:
According to the NADA guide that you want to use a Color GPS adds $1,620 to the monetary value of a 2004 C-Dory 22.
Ralph
I thought you guys said the NADA is garbage? You can't have it both ways. :lol:
But I agree that your C-Dory boats are cool. I understand why some of you have sprung so much for your used boats. It was that or forget getting in the C-dory club. I get it. I see the prices. I just can't personally justify it myself at this time, and laying it off on "outfitting" the boat doesn't do it either. Either you want to pony up for one of these bad boys and can justify it by cost/vs resale and/or quality of life issues or you can't. I offer no criticism for those of you that have done so.
look up "GPS, fixed mount" for a 1984 and you get the picture. You paid for that thru hull fitting. YOu paid the electrician to wire it (unless you did it yourself), and you paid a pretty penny for the unit yourself. Now it is worth 130-150.
The older the boat the less this stuff is worth hanging on the boat.
But I agree that your C-Dory boats are cool. I understand why some of you have sprung so much for your used boats. It was that or forget getting in the C-dory club. I get it. I see the prices. I just can't personally justify it myself at this time, and laying it off on "outfitting" the boat doesn't do it either. Either you want to pony up for one of these bad boys and can justify it by cost/vs resale and/or quality of life issues or you can't. I offer no criticism for those of you that have done so.
look up "GPS, fixed mount" for a 1984 and you get the picture. You paid for that thru hull fitting. YOu paid the electrician to wire it (unless you did it yourself), and you paid a pretty penny for the unit yourself. Now it is worth 130-150.
The older the boat the less this stuff is worth hanging on the boat.
I think it works like this:
If you have a used boat for sale at say $30,000 and you go out and buy a new anchor and rode for $500 and some new electronics for $1,000, you might think that the value of the boat is now $31,500.
That would be the value to you, but what if the new buyer doesn't plan on anchoring and is boating on a lake where the electronics won't be used? To the new buyer, those new items have little or no value because he doesn't need or want them.
Boat salesmen like to see lots of instruments and accessories on used boats because it make them easier to sell, but the seller won't get back the full purchase price of that equipment.
I think that for most used boats, the seller should cleanup everything, remove anything that doesn't work or is shabby looking, and sell "as is".
Let the new buyer purchase new equipment to adapt the boat for their use.
If you have a used boat for sale at say $30,000 and you go out and buy a new anchor and rode for $500 and some new electronics for $1,000, you might think that the value of the boat is now $31,500.
That would be the value to you, but what if the new buyer doesn't plan on anchoring and is boating on a lake where the electronics won't be used? To the new buyer, those new items have little or no value because he doesn't need or want them.
Boat salesmen like to see lots of instruments and accessories on used boats because it make them easier to sell, but the seller won't get back the full purchase price of that equipment.
I think that for most used boats, the seller should cleanup everything, remove anything that doesn't work or is shabby looking, and sell "as is".
Let the new buyer purchase new equipment to adapt the boat for their use.
I don't look at the value as monetary. The value of the boat is in everything you can do with it on and off the water and not have to buy extra vehicles or RV's, etc. to do it all. One only has to peruse: >>THIS SITE<< to understand the value. Whether a person wants to or has the time to do everything that justifies the purchase of such a capable boaterhome is the question. To date, my boat has logged 14,000+ miles and been across the country twice. It has served as hurricane hole (went through one in it -- not recommended but it worked out), on the road office, cookshack, hunting cabin (2 years), liveaboard dive boat (not the best dive boat but it works), fishing boat (not much), exploration boat (none better), and mountain camper (with the Wallas -- great!). Just wish I'd bought one 10 years earlier when I was looking at them.
There's money in there somewhere . . . spent having a great time!
There's money in there somewhere . . . spent having a great time!