Another Webasto furnace install

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Alyssa Jean

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I had been thinking I wanted a better heating system for about a year or so. I do not cook on the Wallas that came with the boat and alsthough the unit works just fine, it is trying to do two jobs while mounted on the counter top.

So. Last week I removed the Wallas, filled in the hole, removed the sink and cheap faucet and applied a nice laminate over the existing surface. Reinstalled the sink and a new single lever, removable hand held faucet fixture.

Today I ordered the Webasto AT2000ST from Interstate Power Systems, plus a new thru hull, mounting bracket and some exhaust hose insulation from Sure Marine. Then I went out and removed the refer, and floor from under the sink (floor was an add on when we had the boat built--see my album).

Kate wants a hot air duct in the V berth. So I will do that. Anything to enhance her going out on the boat is a plus, no matter what the effort.

I have made 60mm cut outs thru both walls of the refer encloser to make the run forward under the throttle shelf. I also cut out a little half moon in the fiberglass bulkhead under the throttle shelf to pass the 2 3/8" hot air duct into the V berth. I plan on running it forward under the starboard shelf to the front of the V berth and put in a closeable vent opening there. The other duct will go at floor level just forward of the forward head bulkhead. Facing the sink it would be to the right of your right foot. I thought about running it under the head and into the compartment under the cabin step, but I don't see much advantage to doing that.

I will take some pictures tomorrow of where I am so far and then some more as I install the heater. I am planning on mounting it under the sink counter on the bulkhead. Use an appropriately sized piece of plywood 5200ed to the bulkhead for a mounting surface and braced upto the underside of the counter top if needed. I will use the existing thru hull hole that the Wallas used, but will have to enlarge it a little I think. Took that thru hull out today. The existing 15 Amp wiring will power the Webasto. The intake air for the combustion will come thru the 22mm intake hose that I will run through the same place all the wiring is under the starboard gunnel and into the storage shelf in the cockpit.

All in all. Anyday you are mucking about in a boat (whether on land or sea) is a good day.

More to come.
 
Great! Looking forward to those pics. You folks doing this are paving the way for the rest of us, so anything you learn will be applied. I'm hoping to do it sometime this summer.
 
David-

Sounds well thought out!

I know you'd do a fine and crafty journeyman's job on the installation!

Looking forward to the photos!

Looks like we have a Webasto & Espar Revolution underway! :lol:

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I'm sure David will do a fine job. And save a bucket load of money compared to what I paid to Triton Marine to do the install on Daydream. On the other hand, I have neither the spare time nor the technical skills to do a craftsman-like job on a heater install, so we probably each made the right choice to get to our end result!
 
These are exciting projects.

IMO, nothing adds more to these little cabin boats then dry, DEPENDABLE heat.

Electronics, downriggers, you name it,
if you're damp and shivering all those goodies don't seem very important.

In all my Adeline years(since the Wallas) I've NEVER had to wear any coat to stay warm inside the "house".

That includes winter trips when it's snowing and the docks are icy. Just a sweatshirt.

That would never have worked in my B.W. Montauk. BRRRRRR :smiled
 
I ordered the thru hull, a mounting bracket and some exhaust insulation on Monday from Sure Marine. When we got home this afternoon the Sure Marine parts were at my doorstep. 24 hours. I live on an island. 24 hours. WOW.

Waiting for the heater. It is coming from Iowa, so probably won't be here until tomorrow.

The beat goes on.
 
HERE is a picture of the new laminate counter top. I also raised the back counter rack and laminated the floor of that.

Nothing much to take pictures of yet. I did install the thru hull today. Waiting now for the heater to arrive.
 
Anna Leigh":1lsoiqga said:
HERE is a picture of the new laminate counter top. I also raised the back counter rack and laminated the floor of that.
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David, if those are the original factory teak trim pieces, I am curious what you had to do to remove and reinstall them. How are they attached, and how did you reattach?

Thanks,
Warren
 
They are the original pieces and I did not remove them. I cut the new laminate to fit and VERY carefully put it in place with contact cement. Pat actually removed his when he did it.
 
A few years ago I installed this heater in my 22 for the same reason. I wanted heat in the v berth. Since then I have been very happy with it. On fishing trips to Lake Mich. in March, temps in the 30's this heater will keep the inside at 70 without even running it at Max output. Heat in the V-berth also can dry things out if it condensates up there. One thing I have found is it does not like low voltage. I have only two batterys to run everything so if the heater battery is low and faults out I just plug in the charger to that battery and the heater will then run just fine. Great choice and your wife will love it. I fish the Mississippi in the winter and to come in and warm up in the cabin and 70 when it's 30 outside is great.

Jim
 
Okay, the Webasto is installed, I have it home and it works great. I have taken pictures of the unit under the galley, the ducting into the V berth and a couple of others.

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HI David,

Does the Webasto have a pump to get fuel from the tank to the heater? I notice that your fuel tank is below the unit.

Thanks Herb
 
I am curious what you had to do to remove and reinstall them. How are they attached, and how did you reattach?
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I removed the small teak trim piece/fiddle from our over-head shelf. I tried to take it off in one piece to save the teak. No luck. It was held on w/ small brads (no problem) but the factory also used a white adhesive, probably 5200, and THAT is what created the issue. The piece cracked along the grain about 1/3 way across. I don't know if the galley fiddles are attached the same way, but I'd assume so and go from there.

To remove them I will pull the entire top. Punch out the small brads completely. Cut back the plywwod top as close as possible to the teak. THen router out the remnants of the plywood top to match the dado in the teak. But doing it like this means you have to make a new plywood top.

To reattach I'd use brads and some wood glue.
 
Localboy,
not sure if this would help or not--but consider using a Fein saw (or simlar cutting tool as by Dremel)--which makes a very narrow kerf, and can cut out the adhesive. You can drive the brads in with a nail set, and get them clear of the adheseive line. Not sure how the top if held to the base cabinet, but suspect there are more than just the brackets--and perhaps nailed or screwed to the frame work, and then laminate overlayed after the plywood is put over the framework. In some of my C Dories the teak fiddle rail has been loose, and coold be pulled off. I had to refasten it, using a sealant and more brads.
 
The large fiddle on our galley looks to have a dado cut down the middle with the ply inserted. Using a fein saw/blade would cut off the lower, rear edge of the teak. Doing it my way will HOPEFULLY save the teak since, in essence, I'll be cutting a new dado slot. :wink:

Doing this is on my winter "to-do" list. I'm gonna move the Wallas & sink forward, turning the sink 90* if possible, to make more room at the rear of the counter. I've got a 1/2 sheet of "granite" laminate my son gave me, that was left over from his home construction and a 3/4 sheet of 3/4" marine ply in the garage; both for the "new" galley top.

I'm not 100% sure all the trim was glued on w/ the 5200, but I know ours was based on the overhead shelf. Other boats/yrs of manufacture may be different. :|
 
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Here are the pictures of the install. The last one justs shows the sliding storage racks back in place. The entire heater and ducting is in what was totally unused space. I also reversed the fuel tank suction line to the back so I can fill the tank from the closer fill without removing the tank.
 
Hi, David -- very nice, clean Webasto install. I have a question about your cabinet as I am not too familiar with the 25. You built a flip-down door to access where your pots and pans are. What is to the left of that pan area? And it looks like there is a water bottle to the left of the sliding rack. Is it sitting in front of the Webasto tank?

Thanks,
Warren
 
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