Leon":zs1cm1di said:Water should dilute the alcohol and put out the fire, that is suppose to be one of the good points of using alcohol stoves on a boat.
thataway":zs1cm1di said:kennharriet":zs1cm1di said:Alchohol is very safe in that it can be extinguished very easy by smothering or with water.
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Be cautious with water and an alcohol fire. The alcohol is lighter than water and floats on top of the water spreading the fire. I had to board a boat to help out with a fire (pressurized alcohol, spraying and they had thrown water on it--spreading the fire thru the cabin. It was a chartered boat, and the occupants were medevaced to a burn unit, and the charter company told to come and pick up what was left of the boat!
kennharriet":2n0wh3dw said:Denatured alcohol is ready available in any hardware store, Walmart, etc. It runs about $15 per gal.
There's no simple way to remove the 15% gasoline from the E85. Fractionation by distillation would get you there if you know what you're doing and have time to mess with it but there are much cheaper sources of ethanol around. 85% of $2 = $1.70 so the math is just a tad rusty but close enough for government work and the point you were trying to make. :lol: You can buy denatured alcohol in 5 gal drums for about $30 but the shipping on them is another $50. The extra cost of shipping flammable materials is what helps to drive up the price.Karl":33ys834m said:kennharriet":33ys834m said:Denatured alcohol is ready available in any hardware store, Walmart, etc. It runs about $15 per gal.
This makes little sense to me...I must be missing something.
You can buy E85 "gasoline", which is 85% alcohol for just over $2/gal.
Why should 100% alcohol cost $15 gallon? Based on gasoline costs (without ethanol), the alcohol content in E85 should be about $1.50/gal., not 10x that amount.
As far as I know, denatured alcohol is ethanol, with additives to prevent its consumption as a beverage, and thus exempt from liquor taxes.
Also, I believe motor fuel ethanol subsidies have ended, so that wouldn't explain the 90% difference in cost either.
Also, wondering if E85 would be safe in an alcohol stove, or, if not, is there a simple way to remove the 15% gasoline from E85%?
Or, is my math a little rusty?
anchorout":4vbqh5ay said:Am I not correct in saying E85 is 85% gasoline and 15% alcohol.
anchorout":3f6urtim said:OBTW: I also use rum in my alcohol stove.