27FT C-DORY PILOT HOUSE

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patrick and linda

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i don't know much about this model but it looks very interesting to me.
i've seen it in the c-brat album "aivig". don't know the years constructed, price or why they discontinued building it. looks like an inboard but would love to see it with twin outboards. any available for sale? any info greatly appreciated.
thanks
pat
 
Pat-

The only one made was Alvig in that particular configuration, a custom one-off.

Jack in Alaska has a more modern version, also a one-off.

As far as I know, the molds don't exist anymore for the hull, and the cabin was a custom refitting of available parts and their re-configuration.

You'd have to customize a CD-25 or Venture 26 to get anything like it now, or wait for a CD-26 longhouse (also a custom design) to become available, and re-structure it .

Several of those one-off customs have had the inboard i/o's removed and outboard brackets and motors used to replace them, like Honda 225's.

But then, you'd have to arm-wrestle Starcraftom for anything like that on the used market, too!

I was going to buy that 27-Pilothouse, but decided it was too big for my use on Shasta Lake, so canceled out on the sea trial and purchase. Would have been a good buy for about $32k at the time! HA!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
The one you see is the only one built that I know of. There were other 27s but none with the pilot house. that boat was a local boat the sold three or four years ago for 30K? really a great deal. the owner works over seas for the goverment and only gets home to use it once every few years. Its currently in Alaska last I talked to him( email). He did have a blown motor on his first trip on the way to alaska but replaced with a v-6 I think. I wuold have gone with a small diesel my self. I wish that therer were more of these built or this one would come up for sale again. If you like this lay out I would take a look at the sea sport pilot house.
 
For any of the newer C-Brats that don't know about the boat we're discussing, have a look:

27_pilothouse.jpg

More photos here: Alvig


And discussion of their inside Passage trip HERE

And go to the Search function, and put "Alvig" in the top search box for more discussion of this and other custom 26 and 27 foot C-Dorys. (I can't seem to make a workable link out of this!)

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
hi joe and tom,
this 27ft pilot house is as salty as a boat can get. love the lines and look. i had my boat for sale and then removed it from the market, but every time i see this one appear on gimme another c-brat, i go bananas. thanks for the info, boy 32k, i'd have to kick myself on letting that one get away.
maybe we should form a user friendly, build to sell and enjoy type boat building company. could start having no debt, build a boat that doesn't fall apart and have a design simular to this one, all for a reasonable price. no need to make a killing on each and every boat. we raise 1,000,000. dividend between 40 owner/investors, 25k each. this boat, twin outboards, trailerable, built and priced right, would sell!
who's interested?
pat
 
Joe, your idea has merit - this is how a lot of venture capital is raised..

The problem is the market you are selling to... The registrants on this list are vastly more informed than the typical boat buyer and they buy this type boat to actually travel with and use, as opposed to impressing their neighbors at the marina... The problem is that the C-Dory type boat appeals to a limited slice of potential buyers... The broad range of buyers you will need to stay in business, want to see mouse fur, plastic shine on wood, designer fabrics and styling, wine coolers, bells-n-whistles, eurocrap looks (weird shaped smoked windows, etc.) and on and on, including a crystal chandelier...
Of course, as soon as you do that it is no longer a C-Dory built for a purpose, but just another upscale Bayliner with a huge price tag...

denny-o
 
I see a simple solution. Purchase the 27' C-Dory from Les, then hire Dave (oldgrowth) and Ben Toland to "chop the top" and build a pilothouse!

Leo
 
hi denny,
love the ranger tug but why does it cost 165k, more or less? why couldn't it cost 99,000.? even at 100k that's a lot of money for a 25' single engine boat. why doesn't the tug come with single or twin outboards? i think about other items that could be purchase with 100k or less and then compare them to a boat. what makes a boat cost so much, maybe mis-management, over spending, under capitalization, to much debt, on and on.
get key people who are disciplined, motivated, have the desire to succeed, combined with management, sales, manufacturing skills, only purchase or rent what is necessary, set reasonable pricing, build to a specific market, rather than catering to a mass market, sell direct to the end user, no dealerships, advertise to that market and run like there is no tomorrow. start the business with 1,000,000. in the bank. build fiberglass or aluminum and only use outboards. the c-brat site has many of the members any company seeks, including investment capitol. give me a company owned by it's employees, with the right to buy out any employee who does not represent the majority's interest, and that sir has the making of success.
pat
 
Pat.... Have Miss Linda buy you some decaf man and step away from the coffee pot Brother!! :mrgreen:

Basically, the cost for a "water ready" boat is the same...other than the price of the hull. Think about it. A pair of Yamaha 150 and riggings is going to cost the same rigged on just about any boat. A complete Raymarine E or what ever electronics system is going to cost the same, rigged on just about any boat.
The cost of a good LP cooktop and Wallas 30D heating system....or the wallas diesel heater/cooktop....will cost about the same...no matter what hull you mount it on.

So, it gets down to the cost of a hull. The "toys"...or must have items are going to cost the same. Now, if you want a solid built, smooth riding hull...then, you are just going to have to pay a bit more....for that hull.... all of you "parts"...and add ons... are going to cost about the same.

Now, if you can perform some of the work/installation yourself as many C-Brats can and have done as illustrated in the many post and photo albums... and go beyond the "built this way at the factory".... then, you can save a bit on the labor....of the installation of some of these toys...add ons. Or, just sell a bit more insurance...pay a bit less for some land purchases....and buy ya another boat Brother.

Life is too short for one boat alone.

Byrdman
 
Byrdman":2d65608d said:
Pat.... Have Miss Linda buy you some decaf man and step away from the coffee pot Brother!! :mrgreen:

Basically, the cost for a "water ready" boat is the same...other than the price of the hull. Think about it. ...
Life is too short for one boat alone.

Byrdman
Click to expand...

Sticker shock. I've felt that same way everytime I looked for another boat. These boats aren't "mass produced", so there's very little cost savings in quantity... considering the limited quantity. One has to decide if the cost of admission is "justifiable"... we generally buy what we want, not what we need. Figure what therapy would cost if you couldn't get out on the water. :wink:

Life is too short for no boat... or the wrong boat.

Best wishes,
Jim
 
byrdman,
hope this post finds you fit and trim, healthy and wise.
i've instructed linda to make a fresh pot of coffee, spiked with just a tad of steroids.
you make some valid points, but a pair of 150 honda outboards are approx 23,210. add rigging and instal at 2000, radar, gps, sonar, installed at 5500. add wallas, marine head, trim tabs at 5000 installed, equals 35710. + or - 10%
now dude, this is my shotgun approach so can't say i've invested a lot of time regarding these figures or proposal. however why wouldn't it be possible to build a quality 25' hull and framed pilot house for less than 65000 or far less?
your most humble friend
pat
 
From what i have seen the biggest part of a glass boat is the labor. For a one off boat you have to build the molds first then build the boat. So this is two boats really just to get the first one. This is why alum. is cheaper and faster to build custom boats. Also makes changing the boat for each customer easier and adds little cost. If you really want to know the cost of developing a new boat talk to Dave thompson, hes building the marinaut 205 at the top of the page in the ad section. labor is the hardest part. Alum can now be all cut by machine very fast and with only one operator. hell you can now order costum alum boat kits. They cut the alum for you and ship to your house where you weld it up your self. If I only had the skills.
 
I am sure it will come as no surprise to you to learn that many people build their own boats (and many more start, but do not finish, but that is another story.) What I don't hear about too often is someone building their own boat, but hiring others to do the majority of the work. Then there is the bare-hull approach. If you have the time and the skills and the long-term enthusiasm to go this way, why not?

In reference to Tom's post, check out the Bartender boat site. The guy sells wood kits to build Bartenders but is currently working on the first 22' aluminum double-ended trawler called the TimberCoast. He says there will be bigger ones later.

Warren
 
i agree with you. personally i'd rather have an aluminum hull than fiberglass for many of the reasons you mentioned. i don't know this to be true but in other industries it is as i will state, you buy a part, say an engine for 15000 and then mark it up by an additional 3000 and then charge to install it. why not just charge for the instal?
over the past 38 years i have insured many businesses, from mom and pop, to medium size corporations including marine dealerships. failure occurs in spite of one's best efforts, because of multiple reasons, under capitalization, poor management skills, poor product selection, poor pricing. the owners may be good at their craft but poor at business, good at both craft and business but poor at salesmanship. well, i guess you get my point.
pat

ps: unrelated to this subject but thought i'd pass it along anyways, last friday a friend on mine was winterizing his in ground pool, as he has done for the past 15 years. he was working on a valve, under much pressure, the valve came apart striking him in the face. stitches, missy teeth, broken jaw now wired closed, and generally not feeling to good. it's the stupid little things that get us every time!
 
I did a quick search and you can have one of hundreds of companies pre cut a boat kit or a custom boat from your plans at will. any thing from a do it you self drift boat to a large sail or power boat. heres just one. link

if some one really wanted the 27 c-dory pilot house they could have it built for x$'s. Its just how much do you want it and what skills do you have. I do not know how to weld or cut wood in a straight line. does not mean I cant learn , just have not had to yet. Given time and money, not to mention the shop, I would love to give it a try. I think it would make a great boat in alum. Lighter and easier to modify for a one off.
 
hi tom,
a friend of mine is building a 50' steal trawler at his home, in his large garage. he is a member of the Metal boat society, www.metalboatsociety.org . they have a forum where members can share ideas as well as get advice. tom, like you i would love to build my own trailerable pilot house boat, and i'd do it in aluminum with twin outboards. if i was 10 years younger i'd probably do it, but now after working all these years, maybe it's time to use the stuff i have rather than figuring how to accumulate more stuff that won't get used. well at least it keeps life interesting. have fun and live longer!
byrdman recently had a post regarding hours logged aboard their boat, so for the past 4 years linda and i've logged about 160 or so hours, total,
clearly over using our stuff, boat.
have a great weekend.
pat
 
Brother Pat...and Brother James (happy aniv by the way)....

You are both target on. In fact, I have a 25-27 foot boat (depending on how you count things) that I got into as I could not find anyone else to build what I wanted..... and after having shared a great trip coming down the eastern ICW in a 44' Kadey Krogen that a friend of mine allowed me to enjoy for a few weeks.... you can have a blast at about 7 knots ....and/or below. So, with that, chunk the twin 150s and put a nice pair of 50s...or 25s on the boat, and enjoy the trawler life. Then, at those speeds, some of the other items become really toys...particuarly if we look at the other toys we have accumilated and use each day.

Now, going to do a bit more research on those hydralic jack plates...and see who makes a good pair of 30" shaft smaller 4 stokes.... or, I already have a nice pair of 150s...

And James is right again....this is much cheaper than the cost of laying on the couches in light blue rooms with some one asking me how that makes me feel..... It makes me feel like going and getting on my boat!!!

Life is good, Over Blessed, Over Boat(ed), and enjoying a bit of the desert life out in the Phoenix, AZ area for a week. Some cool looking rocks, sun rises, sun sets, neat catus'... and great drives...but, where do these people boat???? I need to get back home to boat hitch country very soon.

Byrdman...
 
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