Your thoughts on a boat I am considering - link below

Looks nice, but you need to be very sure that 6-7 knots is satisfactory speed. I would have a Ranger Tug, but after going at that speed foran hour, it gets unsettling to me if I want to actually get anywhere. Did it going into Bamfield one time when I had a coil go out on my boat forcing me to use the kicker to get into port. Maybe you would get used to that speed-----
 
Looks nice, but ..... It looks like a Bartender, a double-ender, lapstrake, OB in an aft well, but more a displacement hull shape. Economical to run, but as mentioned, the top speed is going to be pretty close to hull speed, and somewhere in the 6-8 knots.. Might be able to push it up to 10 but that will be working the OB hard, and it is not going to plane.

Wouldn't be what I would be looking for but YMMV.

Harvey
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As Harvey said, this is very recommencement of a bartender. The Bartender boats are very highly regarded as very sea worthy boats. the smaller ones do operate with outboards, while the larger size bartenders use inboards. This is like the smaller variety, yet uses an inboard. This is the first I have seen of this model boat, but it is very interesting and could definitely have possibilities for the right owner/purpose.
It would not have as much versatility as a C-dory 22 Cruiser or even a C-Dory 19, but perhaps more than a 16. the price is right and very light for towing.
I would rather have our 22 Cruiser, however this is an interesting boat. I am a fan of the bartenders. having built several wooden boats, the Bartender was on my list for the next boat I might build. I ran out of gas for building wooden boats and we bought a C-Dory instead. I am not sorry!
 
Hi all, this is a double ended (like an Albin 27 or an All Weather) inboard diesel (Volvo MD2002) with strait drive shaft and prop. There are two nice 26' Bartenders on the market right now but they are both much larger and more expensive as in 30K and 50K. The Saga has a v-berth, two cockpit single berths, a full camper back and a trailer. Small stove area and porta potti. The Bartenders with outboard wells have all the well issues, Calkins designed the Bartender to run best with a small V-8 midship.
Bob
Link to the 50K Bartender is (this one was a six year by a real craftsman): http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2011/Ba ... ABFy-grLIV
Link to the 30K Bartender is (very pretty boat):
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/Ca ... ABGAugrLIU
 
Bob, Those are really nice looking Bartenders. Thanks for the links. And they would get up and plane. that is not where I want to spend all my boating time, in fact, most of my time I am in the 5-6 knot range, but if the weather or something else dictates, I really like my option with the 22 Cruiser to get up and make 25 knots when I need to.

Harvey
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That Saga 20 is strictly a displacement speed boat, with no planing in sight with that hull and engine. Beautiful cruising vessel, though small for coastwise cruising. Efficient, but pretty tight for two on a long voyage.

I built a 20 ft inboard Bartender and ran it in the Gulf Islands, San Juans, and a lot on the Lower Columbia River. Details here: http://www.pbase.com/bartenderdave/srfsctr

Mine used a 65 hp Westerbeke gas engine, but the small four banger Mercruiser at 120 hp is also a good IB powerplant. No 20 ft Bartender needs a V8. Small V8s are OK in the 22's. Larger ones for the 26 ft versions, or a serious, blown lightweight diesel. Look here for the varieties: https://bartenderboats.com/photo-gallery/

The 19 ft and 20.5 ft Bartenders are too small for cruising coastwise, also, even with 25 knots at hand when needed to scoot to port or a protected anchorage. They are terrific rough water boats, ideal for cruising areas like the lower Columbia where long fetches and stiff breezes can generate some nasty short period seas. But ours was a rough ride at times, even though perfectly safe.

A 26 ft Bartender is a horse of a different color, and are great boats for running out 30 miles for tuna, and returning same day. Lee Baxter runs his Steyr diesel powered 26 ft Sportfisher BT out of Garibaldi and Newport for tuna. See Storm Crow on the BT site: https://bartenderboats.com/lee-w-baxter-beaverton-or/
 
Bob,

Have you considered a used 21 foot Ranger Tug? Similar engine and cruising speed but better fit and finish and customer support. Get a 21 EC! Then you can join the Tug Nuts forum! Lol.

Good luck.
 
Thanks for the replies. A 26' BT will not get much use unless I recruit crew, even a C-22 can be a handful at launch and retrieve times if it is windy or there is current/tide running. Storm Crow is a beauty, her Steyr diesel may have eaten itself. I agree on the motor sizes for BT's. Honey Bird has a smaller V8 than Kala Loa but Kala Loa is built much heavier and with more gear.
My need is for a boat I can handle myself and run off a trailer. I am 10 minutes to the Lake Mead ramp near Boulder City and 30 minutes to the Willow beach ramp below the dam. That gives me 110's of miles of fresh water inland lake not counting Lake Powell which is 4-5 hours away and an easy drive from the house.
I know that 5-8 knots is slow, I have owned a few sailboats over 30' and even my Cape Dory 36 could not move much faster than the Saga 20.
Have a great C-Brat day you all
Bob Jarrard
 
Bob said:
"Thanks for the replies. A 26' BT will not get much use unless I recruit crew, even a C-22 can be a handful at launch and retrieve times if it is windy or there is current/tide running."
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Bob, have you launched or retrieved a 22 C-Dory, and have you tried it single handed. Don't count out a really good option until you have a chance to try it.

I single hand my 22 Cruiser almost exclusively, and it is really easy, in almost all cases. If there is a side dock by the ramp, it can go as smooth as grease. Yes, it takes a bit of preplaning but once the boat is set up and the process thought through it is simple and easy. I have done it in both side windy conditions, and on ramps with a current. Admittedly it is easier in calm conditions, but it is doable.

Try it, before you count it out.

Harvey
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I can identify with Bob's predicament on single handing a small vessel. With a strong beam wind off the float, it takes practice and some guts to power into the float with enough steam to get a line or two on the cleats.

That Saga 20 is a sweet rig, especially for what he has in mind. For sure, I was not suggesting a 26 ft Bartender for his use, just mentioning it in the context of appropriate engine choices.
 
I think that the C-22 has the best balance of features for me, I just do not want to shell out 40K right now. The neighbor who goes out almost everyday uses a small tinny in the morning (about 16'), comes home to clean the catch and have lunch and then goes out with the wife in the later afternoon on his slightly bigger Cobalt. He told me that he has found the larger the boat, the less use it gets. We all dream about doing the Loop, the Inside Passage, the Gulf of California, the Keys, the Bahamas, and then some but most of us leave a lot of money at West Marine and Defenders and do not put 100 hours a year on the motor(s). I had more hours in an 8' Sabot than any of my full keel sailboats, especially the last one, a 36 footer.
That being said, I am almost 70 and how long should any of us wait on trying on a dream or two.
Bob
 
Looks like a neat boat Bob! I've always liked the open cabin styling of those Norwegian boats, also common in New Zealand, Australia, and other areas, but often with a deep-V planing hull.

bobjarrard":e1zjnwff said:
I think that the C-22 has the best balance of features for me, I just do not want to shell out 40K right now.
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Every now and then you will find them much less than 40K...today there was a 2004 22' cruiser posted on CL for $16K. But, at that price I'd be suspicious, possibly a scam (boat located in IL, posted in WA).

-Mike
 
bobjarrard":3s3oxvko said:
I think that the C-22 has the best balance of features for me, I just do not want to shell out 40K right now. The neighbor who goes out almost everyday uses a small tinny in the morning (about 16'), comes home to clean the catch and have lunch and then goes out with the wife in the later afternoon on his slightly bigger Cobalt. He told me that he has found the larger the boat, the less use it gets. We all dream about doing the Loop, the Inside Passage, the Gulf of California, the Keys, the Bahamas, and then some but most of us leave a lot of money at West Marine and Defenders and do not put 100 hours a year on the motor(s). I had more hours in an 8' Sabot than any of my full keel sailboats, especially the last one, a 36 footer.
That being said, I am almost 70 and how long should any of us wait on trying on a dream or two.
Bob
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Bob,

We are about the same age, and have both been sailors. Maybe the same time around boats, ( I have been on the water since I was about 7 years old,) and have thoroughly enjoyed my 22 for the last 10 years. The last 7 I have been single handing almost exclusively. You are right about the 100 hours. I believe the average is about 80 hours a year so if you are getting 100, you're getting bonus time.

This last summer, I did 2 and a half months on the north end of Vancouver Island. One of my dreams since I started rowing as a kid on the south end of that island. I met a ton of folks over that time and a common theme was "do it while you can". (I'm working on it.) I met one couple on a 40ish foot power boat who were literally prisoners on their boat. They stayed on the boat because getting on and off was too much of a process, too difficult and almost dangerous. They were way past when they should have called boating history, and held on to the memories. IMHO they were dangerous to them selves and maybe to others....

I hope I have the good sense to give it up before then. Yes I love being on the boat, and it will take me where I want to go as long as I am smart enough to choose the when appropriately.

Back to the topic, There are 22's out there for less than 40K. It may take some looking because they might not pop up in the neighboring county, but they are around someplace. They may be a bit older, and not have all the gizmos, but they will float, move and keep the rain off your back. Maybe they would do Seymour Narrows or Nahwitti Bar, or the Dixon Crossing, but maybe that is where we need to look at what do we want to do in a boat.

Every boat is a compromise, and we all have to decide what works best for us. All the best in your decision.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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bobjarrard":2m4dcqfe said:
I think that the C-22 has the best balance of features for me, I just do not want to shell out 40K right now. The neighbor who goes out almost everyday uses a small tinny in the morning (about 16'), comes home to clean the catch and have lunch and then goes out with the wife in the later afternoon on his slightly bigger Cobalt. He told me that he has found the larger the boat, the less use it gets. We all dream about doing the Loop, the Inside Passage, the Gulf of California, the Keys, the Bahamas, and then some but most of us leave a lot of money at West Marine and Defenders and do not put 100 hours a year on the motor(s). I had more hours in an 8' Sabot than any of my full keel sailboats, especially the last one, a 36 footer.
That being said, I am almost 70 and how long should any of us wait on trying on a dream or two.
Bob
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I just turned 70, and we are going to do the Loop in our CD25 starting in April next year! We have pretty regularly put about 100 hours on Daydream's BF150, but fell a bit short the last year or two. We are going to make it up in spades next year!
 
We've had the Tomcat now for a full 6 seasons. During that time, we've put an average of 200 hours/year on each engine. A good bit of that was trolling time but all of it (and then some) represents good time on the water.
 
rogerbum":3sxx7iwo said:
We've had the Tomcat now for a full 6 seasons. During that time, we've put an average of 200 hours/year on each engine. A good bit of that was trolling time but all of it (and then some) represents good time on the water.
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My "goal" is 200 hours next year. Im not sure if I'll get there but I'll definitely be over 150. This season was shortened a month for me (bought the new boat) and I think I still did way over 100 hours between the 2 boats.

I guess it really doesn't matter how many hours we all do though. Some folks like to sit at the dock and on anchor a lot. There's nothing wrong with that either! Its all C Dory time. Lol
 
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I guess it really doesn't matter how many hours we all do though. Some folks like to sit at the dock and on anchor a lot. There's nothing wrong with that either! Its all C Dory time. Lol"
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I haven't finished my summer calculations yet, but one of the things I did was count nights on board instead of hours on the engines. 68 nights total on board, 7 nights on board on land on the one trip. Some days I only ran the OBs for a hour, the longest day was almost 10 hours, but most of that was a slow cruise (~5 knots), no day was entirely at slow cruise or at planning speed either. I put a total of 187 hours on in the one trip. Almost double what I had put on last year. All good time.



Harvey
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