Which is better: 22' cruiser or 25' cruiser?

dogon dory":3mdrodkv said:
JamesTXSD":3mdrodkv said:
...Our lifestyle is different...Jim B.
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If I were in your shoes and spent as much time aboard as ya'll, I'd have at least a CD25 but probably something substantially larger with a second trailerable boat for road trips.

Life's just not fair :cry
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We considered bigger before getting Wild Blue... I had narrowed my choices down to to two sailing catamarans, but we could not have enjoyed the cruising we've been doing without trailering. There may again come a time when we'll have a boat that lives in the water all the time, but for now, trailering is part of the adventure! :D

The right boat for the mission! :thup
 
Thanks for the response, Pat. We all have our reasons for the boat we have -- and, for us at least, it isn't simply because it's the boat we have. If we wanted a different boat than a current boat, we'd quickly make the swap -- and we have in the past. This discussion is a good one for folks considering a purchase, and we'd suggest that it would be best to swap over to the sticky thread: What Should I Know Before Buying a Boat?
 
Well, let me add my two cents in here. The perfect boat is the one I have and if you want one, you have to build/modify it your self. That is the only way you are going to get close to the perfect boat.

Buy a C-Dory and make the modifications necessary so you end up with a boat as close to your requirements as possible. That is what makes the C-Dory such a great boat, its design allows you to do this.
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I believe Dave's advice is the best of both worlds, buy the 25 then 'modify' it to suit, take out 3 ft and you'll have the 22 but with a little extra width, maybe keep the bathroom and sacrifice some cockpit...! (j/k :lol: )
 
Dora~Jean":2dgsdzj5 said:
I believe Dave's advice is the best of both worlds, buy the 25 then 'modify' it to suit, take out 3 ft and you'll have the 22 but with a little extra width, maybe keep the bathroom and sacrifice some cockpit...! (j/k :lol: )
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Steve, ol' buddy, you may be onto something here: building block boats! Think along the lines of a nesting dinghy... a v-berth block, a cabin block, and a cockpit block. Mix and match. You want a long cabin and a long cockpit - no problem; a short cabin and a short cockpit - easy. Hey, the factory already mates up the deck with the hull, this would just be one (or two) more "mate ups" in the building process! What do you think?

OK, and we have the tuna EAT the mayonaise (obscure quote from the movie Night Shift 8) )... maybe it's just a bit early this morning? :?
 
JamesTXSD":2y6a8drt said:
Dora~Jean":2y6a8drt said:
I believe Dave's advice is the best of both worlds, buy the 25 then 'modify' it to suit, take out 3 ft and you'll have the 22 but with a little extra width, maybe keep the bathroom and sacrifice some cockpit...! (j/k :lol: )
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Steve, ol' buddy, you may be onto something here: building block boats! Think along the lines of a nesting dinghy... a v-berth block, a cabin block, and a cockpit block. Mix and match. You want a long cabin and a long cockpit - no problem; a short cabin and a short cockpit - easy. Hey, the factory already mates up the deck with the hull, this would just be one (or two) more "mate ups" in the building process! What do you think?

OK, and we have the tuna EAT the mayonaise (obscure quote from the movie Night Shift 8) )... maybe it's just a bit early this morning? :?
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Jim, that's one of my favorite movie quotes - only it's "Feed the tuna mayonnaise". I use that every time I test out a new recording device.
 
Never heard that quote, nor what it means, but then again, I lead a sheltered life... :!:

Personally, I wouldn't give up a SINGLE INCH of my boat, and conversely, I wouldn't add an inch either -- I say this after many years of use and thought. It still amazes me to think that way (Engineers always find a need to change something)!
 
This is a highly subjective question, much like single or twins. To each his own, and what suits you best, and how will you use it. It is like comparing best of show or perhaps best of group instead of best of breed. I mean a Yorkie and an Airedale are both terriers but we have Brats that own and love each of them. Heck we have Brats whose best dog is a cat. Don't overlook single handing in the critieria.

Now the one area that is not subjective but is entirely empirical and is just a plain fact and is not subject to any debate whatsoever is -- that the 22 absolutely just looks better than the 25.

Regards,

Mark
 
Not For Hire":1lts13fd said:
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Now the one area that is not subjective but is entirely empirical and is just a plain fact and is not subject to any debate whatsoever is -- that the 22 absolutely just looks better than the 25.

Regards,

Mark
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This may not win you any points with the 25 owners, Mark! (Unless we go into negative point accounting.)

I actually think many folks don't see any difference in styling between the 22 and the 25, but there is a very definite difference.

The 22 was originally designed as the "Classic" from 1980-1986, and revised in 1987. The form is, in my opinion best from the 1987 Cruiser on to the present, although Roger (Sensi) will tell you he likes his Classic better.

When the 25 was designed, it looks like they took a 22 and just pushed the lines out horizontally, vertically, and axially to accommodate the need for internal room w/o trying to maintain the graceful lines and proportion of the 22.

In other words, the 22 Cruiser was designed from origin to be a graceful integrated uniform package of form and function artistically. Look at the lines of a 22. Everything fits together. And it's beautiful (unless you add a high top) (more demerits!).

Now look at a 25. Awkward and abrupt bulges. The lines are not graceful and integrated into an artistic whole. Somebody redesigned a 22 to be larger who couldn't keep the artistic concept going. Maybe a committee designed it.

Part of the great success of the 22 has always been it's eye appeal. The 25 is it's (sort of) not so good looking sister!

How could this happen? Why doesn't everyone see this?

A little known fact from my late great friend, artist, and art teacher, Jack Ward:

Only about 10% of architects are artistically competent. And only 2% are great artists. All are trained engineers who can successfully engineer a building (at least usually), but only a few are the elete who can design something that works and at the same time is truly beautiful. Look around anywhere and you'll see what is meant. Tons of functional buildings, very few that are truly beautiful, that catch your eye and mind and make you feel good to see them.

This same principle is also probably true of naval architects. Lots of boats, a few really beautiful ones. The CD-22 is masterpiece. The 25 it's decent looking sister. Some of us can see this, some my not.

Sorry if this ruffles a few feathers, but I honestly do believe there is some real truth to it.

Joe.
 
You said it Joe. I can definitely see it. I think the lines and look of the CD-22 are beautiful.
SeaWolf":ipftlo7e said:
The CD-22 is masterpiece. The 25 it's decent looking sister. Some of us can see this, some my not.
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Peter
 
And if this dog ain't been beat enough....and one likes to fish or put a bunch of folks on a smooth riding boat, some my wish to look at a custom wheelhouse built by Rosborough if the 25' size of boat looks good.

Maybe some day the C-Dory family will build a 25 Angler version...but with me asking for the past 5+ years, and being told flat out to forget it...I had to go elsewhere.

Byrdman
 
This may not win you any points with the 25 owners, Mark! (Unless we go into negative point accounting.)
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Not any more Joe, I can hide behind you. <g>

Happy Holidays to one and all, enjoy the hard water but may the soft return soon!

Mark
 
Joe--I think your opinion backed up by good analyzes is right on. Would think the same even if for the more room we had decided on the 25. When we return to our boat Jo-Lee and I find ourselves just staring at it and enjoying its beauty even in a wilderness setting where there is beauty all around.

Jay
 
Sea Wolf":17hld6v0 said:
Not For Hire":17hld6v0 said:
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Now the one area that is not subjective but is entirely empirical and is just a plain fact and is not subject to any debate whatsoever is -- that the 22 absolutely just looks better than the 25.

Regards,

Mark
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This may not win you any points with the 25 owners, Mark! (Unless we go into negative point accounting.)

I actually think many folks don't see any difference in styling between the 22 and the 25, but there is a very definite difference.

The 22 was originally designed as the "Classic" from 1980-1986, and revised in 1987. The form is, in my opinion best from the 1987 Cruiser on to the present, although Roger (Sensi) will tell you he likes his Classic better.

When the 25 was designed, it looks like they took a 22 and just pushed the lines out horizontally, vertically, and axially to accommodate the need for internal room w/o trying to maintain the graceful lines and proportion of the 22.

In other words, the 22 Cruiser was designed from origin to be a graceful integrated uniform package of form and function artistically. Look at the lines of a 22. Everything fits together. And it's beautiful (unless you add a high top) (more demerits!).

Now look at a 25. Awkward and abrupt bulges. The lines are not graceful and integrated into an artistic whole. Somebody redesigned a 22 to be larger who couldn't keep the artistic concept going. Maybe a committee designed it.

Part of the great success of the 22 has always been it's eye appeal. The 25 is it's (sort of) not so good looking sister!

How could this happen? Why doesn't everyone see this?

A little known fact from my late great friend, artist, and art teacher, Jack Ward:

Only about 10% of architects are artistically competent. And only 2% are great artists. All are trained engineers who can successfully engineer a building (at least usually), but only a few are the elete who can design something that works and at the same time is truly beautiful. Look around anywhere and you'll see what is meant. Tons of functional buildings, very few that are truly beautiful, that catch your eye and mind and make you feel good to see them.

This same principle is also probably true of naval architects. Lots of boats, a few really beautiful ones. The CD-22 is masterpiece. The 25 it's decent looking sister. Some of us can see this, some my not.

Sorry if this ruffles a few feathers, but I honestly do believe there is some real truth to it.

Joe.
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I always suspected the 22 owner was more artful and refined, and you have just proved it. Thanks!
 
Dave -
Let me also welcome you to the site. It has also been stated that half the fun is in the search... and.. customizing the product to both fill your needs and wants. I won't belabor which is best for all points made are valid for each individual. Both our profiles' and photo albums' will give a quick view of our present 'standings' with the CD question.

As to Sea Angel... :love :love :love :love :D :D

I realize that I am a goodly distance from your NC address; but, if you are in the area, - may I extend an invation to take a day cruise on Sea Angel to tour the Virginia Beach area.
 
You want to know more of the history of the C-Dory, come to the Seattle Boat Show CBGT at the Hawthorn. Ben Toland will be my guest and we will be sharing a room.

He will be able to answer most of your questions.
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