Which inflatable dinghy & outboard for a Tom Cat?

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Doryman

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I'm starting to look for a dinghy for the Tom Cat that I am picking up in a couple of weeks and would like to know the size and manufacturer/model that other Tom Cat owners are using, as well as the make and model of outboard.

West Marine sells a 9'4" SB4 Sportboat that is currently at the top of my list. The price is reasonable (even more so if I buy on sale) and the size appears to be perfect. Keep in mind that I do not have a tall radar arch but rather the low-profile one (this is the way my boat was optioned -- I did not order it.) This means that there is not enough space under the arch to fit a boat. There appears to be about 9' from the forward edge of the arch to the forward edge of the top -- hence my focus on a 9' boat.

My boat also will be equipped with a pot puller, which I intend to also use for lifting the dinghy onto the cockpit. From there I can slide it up onto the cabin top (he said optimistically.)

I was planning to install a 2.5 hp Yamaha on this boat, and to store this motor when not in use somewhere aft of the cockpit (I need to wait for my big motors to be installed before I know what my dinghy motor storage options are.) Is this a good size motor for the boat, given that one of my criteria is how easy it will be to deploy and retrieve it.

I'd appreciate any thoughts you might be willing to share on whether this is a good choice of boat and motor.

Thanks,
Warren Keuffel
F/V Lori Ann
 
Lori Ann

We use a 8' 6" inflatable with a Honda 2HP outboard, on Discovery. I purchased the Dingy on EBay. I think the brand is Baltic. Its made in So. Korea. The quality is equal to the West Marine boat and the price was about $650.00 It has a high pressure inflatable floor, and the whole thing weighs about 55 lbs. We have solar panels on the roof of Discovery, so the dingy is usually towed after inflating. I have made a stainless rack that mounts over the swimstep to also carry the dingy, in an inverted position. I will post a pic of it. The dingy is small for two, but works OK for us.
 
Hi Warren and welcome aboard,

Amazing you were able to "stay under the radar" while in your decision making mode. How did you keep those questions in without imploding? :mrgreen:

We have the CD-25, and have found that the 260 (Zodiac made for West Marine) fits on our cabin top, just in front of the radar arch. It is an 8.5', slat floor, inflatable. We use a 2.5 hp Merc on it. Since you are talking about a similar size motor, you will not be planing with that inflatable. From a $$ perspective, the slat floor is much less expensive than the inflatable floor.

We have no problem hauling our inflatable to the cabin top without a davit. I go to the bow with a line tied to the D-ring in the front of the inflatable and just haul it up. If my wife gives me a hand, it is very easy; I have done it by myself without much straining.

The smaller/lighter motor is sure easier to haul on and off... although I do admit I have a bit of "dinghy envy" when I see the guys on their 40+ foot boats with the RIBs with center consoles and big motors as dinghies. :wink

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Discovery,

I like that mounting bracket for the 2 H.P. Honda in your photo album. Correct me if I'm wrong, but two pieces of 3/4 starboard bolted together? I noticed you used to have the same boat I do now the 24TC. Did you use the same bracket on that boat? We see rough seas sometimes, do you ever notice the motor bouncing around? or is it never rough where you boat?

Warren, hope you find the questions useful too, since you were trying to figure out where to store your motor.

Thanks,
John
 
Warren,

RedFox loves his 2.5 Yamaha and has written extensively about it on his site. He much prefers it to the Honda 2hp (which comes as no surprise to any of the regulars around here). :wink:

Mark
 
Warren, Dreamer has a Achilles LT-4 Hypalon Dinghy. It fits on the roof but does tuck under the tall Radar Arch. We like it a lot. The Suzuki 4hp is a little heavy for this old guy. I may opt for a lighter 2-2.5 hp motor. The LT-4 calls for a long shaft motor due to the height of it's engine mount. Hope this helps.
 
A few comments--having owned about 10 inflatables during our boating "lives". (plus about as many RIB's and hard dinghies). For a C Dory or Tom Cat, you want to use as light a boat as possiable (I don't suggest this for larger boats or long distance cruisers).

The slat floor or a high pressure inflatable floor is much easier to manage than an inflatable with "floorboards". These floorboards are the devil to put in--on any boat or land--let alone a C Dory type of boat. You also are not going to be planning this boat, which is why it has the floor boards and inflatable keel. So I strongly recommend that you consider either roll up slatted floor (they can be either slats which go into pockets or the articulated compete vinly floor, with an inflatable keel--which will plane) or an air floor.

We have the minimum--and smaller than I would recommend for most folks--a 6'7" PVC boat by West Marine (Zodiac). We also had a 8 foot boat with the slat thru the fabric in the bottom, (gave it up with the C Dory 22, but used it for that boat also). Both of these boats are light weight--the current boat is about 32 lbs--the other was closer to 40. We carry the boat upside down if inflated, over the air conditioner--or rolled up aft of the AC unit (no radar arch). We use a LM 12 volt pump--it is fairly expensive, but we have had ours for over 30 years and still works like new! Will inflate a boat in a couple of minutes. So for us it is easier and faster to deflate and roll up--then inflate when necessary.

We have a 3.5 hp Nissan(branded as Mercury). Again--light weight--about 33 lbs. The reason I have more than 2 hp: A long time ago, we were anchored at San Miguel Isand, and as I left the beach, with the dogs, I went downwind to the boat, but as I turned, the 2 hp didn't have enough power to push the inflatable against the increasing wind. Fortunately I was able to get right behind the lee of the large boat and my life threw me a line and we were saved! No more 2 hp. I realize that for the most part that 2 hp is enough--but....there comes that windy day and ....

I normally suggest Hypalon fabric for durability--but the PVC boats are migh lighter and cheaper. For the C Dory and Tom Cat--the PVC are OK--just keep them stored under cover. My personal choice is not to tow. I have seen too many inflatables which have swamped or flipped. In our three years cruising Alaska, we had a 11 1/2 foot RIB with either a 15 or 25 hp outboard (350 to 400 lbs total weight)--and had a setup which allowed the dinghy to be pulled aboard over a roller on the stern (like a purse seiner pullboat) with an electric winch. Once we towed the boat--and it took on water, fortunately we had an on board electric bilge pump which handled the water.

The other thing to consider is that the C Dory family are all boats which are easy to take to shoal water--even the Tom Cat 255, is almost like a dinghy. There are some times when a dinghy is necessary, but not as often as with many larger or other brand boats. The distances which you have to "Dinghy" are often much shorter--and if you have a light dinghy (even 65 lbs with motor) two of your can carry it up the beach, rather than having to anchor it off, with all of the problems this causes.

Good luck--but agree that there are some alternative brands which are good values. Be sure and check out (at least assemble and sit in the boat) before buying.
 
One of the main reasons I am considering a dinghy is so that I am not dependent upon finding slip space when I arrive at a harbor or a marine park. I want to be able to pick up a mooring on a buoy and then use the dinghy to get to shore. As far as exploring goes, I do understand that the Tom Cat can go a lot of places, but for peace of mind I think I would prefer to do that in a dinghy.

Thataway, I appreciate the caution about the small motor. I'll have to think about that one some more. As for the boat type, my thinking is that I will put the boat together once and then that will probably be the last time I do it, as I anticipate it will be on top of the cabin (with a cover to protect against UV) whenever not in use. So if that is how it works out, ease of assembly should be a non-issue.
At least that is how it is playing out in my mind.
 
Yes, you can leave them inflated--and we had several of the full floor, with aluminum side rails or aluminum side rails and aluminum floor boards. The price you are paying is that of weight--99 lbs, without motor, according to the book. It is fairly easy to get 33 lbs on the cabin top--99 lbs is a bit more difficult. From the cockpit to the cabin top, it would not be too bad, but I believe you said you have the low arch--so it has to go over the arch--and I presume a radar. You want to make things as easy as possiable. You won't be able to keep the dinghy motor on when on the top. Another possibility, is to make a rack over the cockpit--which will suspend the bimini top (but under the framework--as used for Kayaks)--and then you could use a roller to pull the boat up on the framework---framework could dip down in the back, to a 45 degree, winch pull the boat up--and then aft part pulled back up. One electric winch could do all of this--and you can find some Rule winches fairly inexpensively.

I certainly understand the rational for a dinghy--When we had the big ones, we would take trips of 30 or more miles in the dink (with a back up kicker, full gear, including radio, GPS etc). I also feel that a dinghy is a reasonable back up for a life raft, as long as you understand the capabilities, and take precautions.

One thing to remember in the PNW is that most beaches are rocks--many with the barnicles and sharp objects. That is why we had an RIB--and would put a saccrificial strip on the bottom each year--that way we didn't worry about taking the dinghy right on the rocks 4 + times a day to takes the dogs ashore. If you are going to take the dinghy on the beach in the PNW--consider either an RIB or aluminum bottom boat--weight may be about the same, and not have to worry about fabric damage. If you are always going to docks--not a probelm. We rarely stayed at marinas in our three years cruising that area, but lots of places have free, or very cheap docks--and even with a 46 footer could usually find a place.

Basically trying to open up other possibilities of carrying the boat--and types of boats.
 
John S

Yes, the motor mount is made of two pieces of 3/4" starboard. I never had a dingy with the TC24, so we didn't have a dingy motor mounted on it. The setup on the TC255 is super secure. No problem at all with stability in any sea conditions. We put it to the limit a few times this summer, on our Canada cruise. Had really nasty conditions in the Johnstone strait and the Haro strait. See "Discovery in the Northwest" in the Grand Adventures.

When we tow the dingy, its with the motor removed. I like to use the dingy as a fishing platform. When the waters allow, its perfect for spinfishing. At Lake Powell I use it to poke along the shore in the side canyons, plugging for Bass and Crappie.
 
Brent,

Undoubtly you saw some pretty extreme currents and maybe some winds during your Canadian cruise. Did you ever have any concerns about your 2 HP Honda being underpowered. I don't like the idea of being blown away from my boat in a dinghy while under full power.

Thanks,
John
 
John S

We only ventured out in the dingy when the sea conditions were acceptable for our comfort level. Mostly shore trips when we were on the hook. It is easily blown around. When fishing I often drift and go with the wind. The 2HP Honda does a good job on the 8' 6" boat. Its not fast but seems to have plenty of power. If the sea was wild enough to blow the dingy around uncontrolably, then the waves would by too dangerous to be out in. The 8' 6" dingy with the 2HP is a good match for our needs, and our available storage space on the TC255. The total cost boat and motor was under $1400.00 Its equal to the much more expensive West Marine inflatable floor model.
 
Help.. we will take possession of our new Tom Cat 255 later this month. As my husband is concerned with electronics, motors, trailers etc. I have been worried about dinghys. As my husband is disabled (on crutches) I am the one that does alot of the climbing, launching, docking, etc. We are new to cruising and have never used a dinghy. To add to my concern, we have an 85lb Golden Retriever. I'll will be the one handling the dinghy. Boarding, rowing to shore, stowing etc. Can one get out of a dinghy without climbing a ladder? Neither my husband or dog climb ladders. We will need something I can handle on my own. Any suggestions? How does one get in the dinghy from the boat? You see I am very new nieve to this part of boating. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Margaret Morris
 
Hi Margaret--good to meet the other part of the family--I am enjoyed "chatting with Gene". For you I would recommend something different than for above. You want a very stable boat--which is easy for the dog--and Gene. Boarding is easy. With the Tom Cat 255 you have two options--one is over the transom and on the swim step on the side.
The other is directly over the side by the aft cabin house. For the dog-no question--the aft swim step/engine bracket. You can also bring the nose of the inflateable right between the motors, but that is tight, so along side, secure to the eye bolt in the transom to keep it in place. The floor of the dinghy will be close to the level of the swim step on the Tom Cat. You may want to add another hand railing in the back/side. Gene can sit down on the railing and swing over into the boat. (Remember we took a 125 lb Lab to 41,000 miles on a 62 foot sailboat--and two english labs on a modified Cal 46, plus another 150 lbs of assorted dogs on a C Dory 22!)

Now what type of boat? I probably would consider a slatted vinyl floor--if they are still made, by Avon in the 10 1/2 foot size. Very stable and dog friendly (this is not the few slats thru the fabric, but articulated pieces). They are fairly easy to roll up and stow if necessary--but on the heavy size--consider a davit as we have.
A high pressure floor is also OK--but you will want a carpet for the dog --a rubber backed mat, with the semi fabric on the front works well. The dog is a sand magnet--so you do have to keep the sand out of the corners of the floor--it will abraid the boat fabric.
Finally a RIB is the best for dogs. There are some with foldable transoms, which could be put on the swim step--or a davit could be built to bring it over the motors--that would take some engineering. The major point is that you will not want to hoist it up to the cabin top (unless you are like "Lubba"--a Russian Nanny we once hired, who like to row my children in our 16 foot dory for 4 hours a day!) This is one instance when I might recommend towing the dinghy.
I don't recommend rowing inflatables, althought it can be done. The windage thing is even worse with rowing than with a small motor. I would go for 3 to 4 hp motor. Consider that you may want to get Gene in the boat at times--and again the stability is going to be key.

So when you get the boat, go to a store with a number of inflatables and start looking--but keep the basics in mind--and see where the water line is on the boat--and visualize where it will be in the dinghy.
 
Bob-

Great, thoughtful post with invaluable insights!

And any sailor with a ton of dogs traveling thousands of miles and ending up in a couple of C-Dorys has got to have the absolute best credentials imaginable!

Joe.
 
Thataway, Thanks so much for all the great info. I will print your reply and use it as a check list when I'm shopping around. My first mates job is a big responsibility and I want to get it right. About "Lubba", does she need a job!?
Thanks again and any other suggestions on this subject or cruising with dogs and the disabled would be greatly appreciated.
Does anyone carry a moped or scooter on board?
Margaret
 
Lubba was a long time ago--and no idea of where she went--but we had some colorful nannies! Yes, we started our Calif to Europe and back trip with on 80 CC Yamaha motor bike. By the time we reached Maine, it was obvious that the $100 Yahama was on its last legs and that Marie wanted equal time with me as "driver" of the motor bike. We got two 50 cc Yamahoppers. Each bike had a basket plus a rack on the back, with a folding "milk crate"--we could carry quite a load (the most difficult was a 4 x 4 sheet of plywood--and full propane tanks...I had to promise I would "walk" the bike back to the boat before the gas company would fill the LPG tanks. We hoisted the bikes on and off with a davit like the Garhauer I picture in the photo album. We had a hard floor board dinghy, and Marie would ride on the bike, as I drove with the motor going ashore. We also had folding bikes, but those did n't hve the utility as the motor bikes. I don't know about the weight of a disabled scooter,but I would try and keep the weight less than 150 lbs. The problem is getting a bike/scooter off the inflatabel. We would just deflate a pontoon and push it off--or if we had the boat on a dock, we would use the davit to put the motor bike on the dock.

My dogs aboard lecture will have to come later....we had too many "tails--or is it tales?"
 
Interesting discussion with many valuable suggestions. Thanks to one and all.

New sub-topic #1: Assuming that the outboard employed is only 2-1/2 hp, is there any reason not to get a donut-style dinghy such as the Achiles which you can see at http://www.achillesinflatables.com/dingdetail.cfm?ID=1 I can understand why one would want a sportboat configuration if one had a bigger outboard but am unclear on the disadvantages, if any, of this type of boat. Seems to me it would be easier to maneuver when stowing, etc.

New sub-topic #2: Other than those already mentioned in this topic, what strategies do you employ to get your dinghy on your cabin top given the lack of a true walk-around deck? Some of us are less agile than others!

Thanks.
 
My first Avon inflatable in 1961 was a Avon "doughnut" type of boat. It was the only one I have owned of that type. Unless you can put some type of a plywood floor in it, it will be like walking on a water bed! The motor bracket has to be taken on and off each time--not real easy. I think that the transom boats are more stable.--incidently try rowing with a dog--I can guarantee you that dog will be in your face/lap and tangled with the oars. I would also strongly advise you not to buy one of the really cheap boats. Preferably Hypalon--next PVC fabric. The plastics--not worth it--and with dog's claws--dangerous...

Getting the boat up on the top--that is why we have the lightest possiable boat. We slide it up from the side--to the cabin roof. push and pull. I am considering putting a high mounting bracket on the Garhauer davit--probably near the edge of the cabin top--maybe clamped on the hand railing so it can be removed--and enough travel to pick up one end of the boat and put it on the roof, then go for the other end. The outboard goes on a bracket--like Discovery--or the one I should finish in the next couple of days and I will get photos. I would advise against the 2 cyl Evinrude motors-I have owned several--and they have not done as well as the Hondas, Yamahas, Nissan (Merc-Tohatsu). Be sure and get a clutch, usually the 360 degree steering will allow reverse nicely. You want to start in neutral--especailly with the dog--they all will have some time that the water seems irresitable. Ours did it only as a "mistake"--either too many ducks, or there were weeds which looked like it was almost land!!!.
Keep the boat and motor light!

If this bracket works as I think it will, the dinghy outboard can work as a stern thruster, getting the boat off a crowdeddock easily.---again the davit will help get the motor on and off the boat/bracket/dinghy.

Give serious thought to the stability, ease of assembly and ease of getting in for Gene. Marie agrees with me--that you might want to put a third or fourth hand railing--similar to the diving ladder railings on each side of the boat, so Gene can pull up on it.

I hope that you have some places where you can look at boats. Try assembly etc. I don't carry a life raft, so the dinghy serves this function--another reason to have a good quality boat. When on passages we had a small CO2 bottle to fil the inflatable rapidly in an emergncy--neverhad to use it!
 
Several recommendations have talked about inflatable floors. Can these really be stable? Don't you guys get the waterbed effect from these on any model using this type floor? I have a cheap, cheap coleman raft we are using until we figure out which dinghy to buy. It has a two chamber floor. It scares me every time I try to get in and out of it.

Several people have previously recommended the Alaska Series dinghy, also with inflatable floor.

So can we make a generality here or not? If the floor is inflatable, the bottom of the dinghy is not very stable, but it is worth it for the lightness???. :thdown :thup

Confused,
John
 
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