Weight Difference Tomcat Vs. 25

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Alyssa Jean

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I can't seem to download the specs from the factory. Does anyone know the weight difference between the 25 and the Tomcat. Would a 2001 4 WD V-8 Tundra pull either one?
 
I believe the tow rating on the year of Tundra is about 6500-7,000# which if I remember Dr Bob talking about loaded up the cat is close to 10,000#. That's a lot of weight for that truck to pull.
 
The Tomcat weighs in at around 6000lb without motors add another 1000lb then the railer 1500lb or so then all the gear ,water , and gas ? at least 8500-10,000 or more

We have a 07 toyota Sequoia with v-8 6800lb towing
 
The tow rating of the Tundra depends on the year of purchase and on the particular configuration. Mine (a 2009 or 2010) is rated to tow 10,300. I tow the Tomcat with it.
 
Generally accepted numbers for the Tom Cat 255 on a trailer is somewhere close to 10,000 lbs. The C Dory 25 a low at maybe 7,000, up to about 8,000. My preference is to have a 3/4 ton truck for either--maybe better for a 255.

Remember that most trucks require a weight distribution hitch for any weight over a certain limit. My new Yukon XL is 5,000 lbs limit without the weight distribution hitch. 8200 with the WD hitch. I used a WD hitch on my C Dory 25, and it made towing much better
 
I have been researching towing requirements for the cd 25. I don't own one (yet) but I come up with 7800 to 8400 boat w water and fuel, motor and trailer. It would be great if someone who has this rig would post the actual weight from a truck stop categories scale. Most of these scales have separate load platforms for tractor and trailer. You pull your truck onto the forward pad being careful to stop your trailers tongue stand on the trailer pad. Unhitch the ball (you can leave chains hooked )stopped and jack the trailer off the hitch ball, jump off the scale and tell the operator to print the weight ticket. You get an weight on truck and boat on the same ticket for 7the to 10the bucks. Make sure to go inside and talk to the scale operator first to let them know what yourselves are planning to do. Most important, make sure the scales are not busy. Truckers dislike us enough already. Please post your results.
 
Anna Leigh":25wv8dkd said:
I can't seem to download the specs from the factory. Does anyone know the weight difference between the 25 and the Tomcat. Would a 2001 4 WD V-8 Tundra pull either one?
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David,
I have that same truck, and it pulls my 22 Cruiser just fine. it would scare me to death to have Rogers TomCat on behind my truck. The new and improved Tundra, 2010 I believe, would probably do it -- check the specks -- but it is a bigger truck all the way around. My Brother in law has the new version, and the two seem hardly related, spaniel vs mastif .... maybe.

Harvey
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davewilke1":2azdttfu said:
I have been researching towing requirements for the cd 25. I don't own one (yet) but I come up with 7800 to 8400 boat w water and fuel, motor and trailer. It would be great if someone who has this rig would post the actual weight from a truck stop categories scale. Most of these scales have separate load platforms for tractor and trailer. You pull your truck onto the forward pad being careful to stop your trailers tongue stand on the trailer pad. Unhitch the ball (you can leave chains hooked )stopped and jack the trailer off the hitch ball, jump off the scale and tell the operator to print the weight ticket. You get an weight on truck and boat on the same ticket for 7the to 10the bucks. Make sure to go inside and talk to the scale operator first to let them know what yourselves are planning to do. Most important, make sure the scales are not busy. Truckers dislike us enough already. Please post your results.
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Our 2007 C-Dory 25 Cruiser, loaded for cruising, without the dinghy and motor on it, less than 1/4 tank of fuel, full water, on a King Saltwater Series galvanized trailer weighed 8,700 pounds on a truck scale. Unhitched from the truck as you described.

We pull the boat with a GMC 2500 HD with Duramax and Allison transmission - great combination. I have a weight compensating hitch, but have not installed it on the boat trailer at this point. Best thing we did for trailering was change from the surge brakes to electric over hydraulic - much better on long downhill runs, no issue with the solenoid not releasing the brakes when backing uphill, and nice to be able to control the trailer brakes separate from the truck brakes.
 
OK, once again, here's the weight for a cruising C-Dory 25, Journey On. I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind or the weights.

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Note that the weight of the boat and trailer was weighed at 8000#, with no gas, no water, no kicker. This means there was about 500# in the back of the truck.

On the water, the weight is 7400#, which is beyond reason, but works well. You can adjust either weight for your particular conditions.

Kicker is 130# (with gas tank,) water is 200# for a full tank (25 gal,) and gas is 300# for 1/2 tank (50 gal.) Trailer is galvanized steel. Tongue weight is somewhere around 500#, which tows well.

ANY big V-8 can tow the C-25. You just have to shift down on hills. With a 1/2 ton, I used a weight equalizing hitch. With a 3/4 ton, I can't use such a hitch, because the rear end needs weight for traction.

I run gas, diesels are up to you.

Boris
 
I love this site! Great feedback. Last year I treated myself to a new truck as my 8 yr old Ram needed $1k + in transmission work. (Daimers fault not mine--trans fluid flushed regularly) I bought the F150 eco boost with towing package. My somewhat unscrupulous dealer failed to tell me that to tow the highly advertized 11,300 lbs I needed to order the MAX towing package. As is, my truck is rated to tow 9,600 lbs with a gross combined vehicle weight of 15,500 lbs. To this I am adding a Firestone Ride Rite airbag suspension boost kit to the rear which will eliminate sway and suspension sag under heavier than normal tongue weight (not expected with a cd25). I used this system on a work truck and it worked very well. Not wanting to take a $7k beating by trading my new truck for a diesel (I've Checked it out) this is the truck I will tow with. I will keep you all posted on my success with this rig when I find my boat.
 
All interesting stuff - so I assume Daydream weighs in at over 8,000 lbs, probably more since we are loaded for bear all the time. Have never gone to a commercial scale. The 2004 Titan has a GVWR on the door post of 6,500 lbs. No weight distributing hitch. So we are clearly over the rated capacity. The Titan has NO trouble pulling Daydream, we can maintain freeway speeds over Snoqualmie Pass. The 1993 Ford F-250 that we got with the Alpenlite, which we are using with our new Fox Mountain 5er for another year or so until we get a one ton diesel pickup, has a GVWR of 8,800 lb. Have not pulled the boat with it. Maybe I should, but it is not 4WD, and many is the time I have needed the Titan's 4WD on a ramp.
 
Before I had my Ram I had a Dakota 2 wd. A great little truck for driving but a terrible tow vehicle (for me anyway). It pulled my 7000 lb searay rig ok on the flat and in mild hills but forget it on the ramp. It just didn't have the mass to hold the boat on the ramp. Many scary moments till we got the Ram. It served well until the badly designed transmission began to fail. For you mechanically inclined folks, can you imagine the engineer who decides it's a good idea to support the transmission output shaft with bushings and not bearings?? On a truck??
 
Pat, you are safe towing the weight with the Titan, your towing capacity is actually 9400#, you are looking at the GVWR which is the truck passengers fuel and anything you thow in the bed plus the tongue weight of the trailer. The Titan will pull it fine. What you would look at is the combined weight ratings this would be the whole package boat truck weight etc.
 
Pat, what you need to look for is the GCVW (Gross COMBINED Vehicle Weight), which is the weight of the truck AND anything that is being hauled IN it or towed BY it. Gross Vehicle Weight is what your truck can carry - weight of the truck, plus passengers, fuel, and anything else you haul, which is also the hitch weight from the trailer on the truck. That's why you need to do a scale with the trailer unhooked from the truck. Then hook it up, weigh again, and you will know what your hitch weight is, as well.

For most pickups, there is a big difference between the 1/2 ton and the 3/4 ton. The difference between the 3/4 ton and the 1 ton is less, often an additional spring and brakes. Just because a vehicle is able to haul a given load, doesn't mean that it is prudent to do so.

I recall years ago when we were shopping for a Corsair trimaran, and someone said they hauled an F-27 (between 4,000 and 5,000 pounds on the trailer) behind a Saab 900!!! :disgust

Better to pay the price for a capable tow vehicle than to try to explain why you didn't, after an accident.
 
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