trim tabs, do I need them? Brand or model choice..
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Shipyard Island wrote back this morning (Sunday -- now THAT's dedication!). They are powder coated and color-matched to your outboard's mfr color, wow, classy. For my Yamaha F80's, they're $140 each with a full installation kit, with shipping about $300 for both. I'm waiting for the money tree to produce more fruit...
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Bennett 9 X 12 is what I went with. I would have gone with
12X12's but that would have required moving my kicker. Be sure to get the 1" shorter upper mount for the actuators! That will make life Way easy when hooking up hyd. lines! With trim tabs it's a Whole New Boat
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They have a joy stick control now. I have a single Honda 90 so this is vital information if I plan on installing a kicker, and I most likely will. Wondering if anyone has 12 x 12s installed with a kicker and Honda 90?
For that matter, what size is common on 22s?
Thanks,
Jay
Bennett 9 X 12 is what I went with. I would have gone with
12X12's but that would have required moving my kicker. Be sure to get the 1" shorter upper mount for the actuators! That will make life Way easy when hooking up hyd. lines! With trim tabs it's a Whole New Boat
:beer [/quote]They have a joy stick control now. I have a single Honda 90 so this is vital information if I plan on installing a kicker, and I most likely will. Wondering if anyone has 12 x 12s installed with a kicker and Honda 90?
For that matter, what size is common on 22s?
Thanks,
Jay
breausaw":g5fzzotp said:[
Bennett 9 X 12 is what I went with. I would have gone with
12X12's but that would have required moving my kicker. Be sure to get the 1" shorter upper mount for the actuators! That will make life Way easy when hooking up hyd. lines! With trim tabs it's a Whole New Boat
They have a joy stick control now. I have a single Honda 90 so this is vital information if I plan on installing a kicker, and I most likely will. Wondering if anyone has 12 x 12s installed with a kicker and Honda 90?
For that matter, what size is common on 22s?
Thanks,
Jay[/quote]
If you put the kicker on a mount bracket the 12x12 will be fine. Get the rocker S/W & 1" shorter upper cilinder mounts!
:beerWe had the factory install the Bennett M120 Sport Tabs. The M120's are 10x12. After doing research on this site, it seemed that the M120's were the trim tabs of choice for many C-Brats. They work really well on our boat. However, we also had them install a Mini-Jacker kicker bracket in order for the kicker to clear the trim tabs. It made for a very nice and clean installation.
Sorry, the pic is so big but I don't know how to resize.
Peter
Sorry, the pic is so big but I don't know how to resize.
Peter
Jazzmanic":1agie6jf said:We had the factory install the Bennett M120 Sport Tabs. The M120's are 10x12. After doing research on this site, it seemed that the M120's were the trim tabs of choice for many C-Brats. They work really well on our boat. However, we also had them install a Mini-Jacker kicker bracket in order for the kicker to clear the trim tabs. It made for a very nice and clean installation.
Sorry, the pic is so big but I don't know how to resize.
Peter
That is a Nice Bracket!!
Nice clean looking installation. Wondering if your M120 sport tabs came with the Joy stick or toggle type switches? And if you got the joy stick contol switch how do you like it? When I went to the Bennett site it looks like all thier new trim tabs come with a joy stick control now, but was not able to find and technical specs or pictures.Jazzmanic":2tyf8yep said:We had the factory install the Bennett M120 Sport Tabs. The M120's are 10x12. After doing research on this site, it seemed that the M120's were the trim tabs of choice for many C-Brats. They work really well on our boat. However, we also had them install a Mini-Jacker kicker bracket in order for the kicker to clear the trim tabs. It made for a very nice and clean installation.
Sorry, the pic is so big but I don't know how to resize.
Peter
Breausaw,
If I were to do it again, I would add the new (this year) Electronic Tab Indicator. It's really neat, a 3-in-1 control to automatically retract your tabs when you turn off the engine, it has the position indicators to show the position of each of your trim tabs and it is the tab controller to move your tabs up and down. It's called the EIC5000.
EIC5000
To answer your question about our tabs, we have the rocker control switch and not the joy stick. The switch is kind of counter-intuitive but you get used to it.
Peter
If I were to do it again, I would add the new (this year) Electronic Tab Indicator. It's really neat, a 3-in-1 control to automatically retract your tabs when you turn off the engine, it has the position indicators to show the position of each of your trim tabs and it is the tab controller to move your tabs up and down. It's called the EIC5000.
EIC5000
To answer your question about our tabs, we have the rocker control switch and not the joy stick. The switch is kind of counter-intuitive but you get used to it.
Peter
Have now put close to 300miles on new Bennett EIC5000 trim tabs in various conditions; I have to say they’re truly remarkable especially in conjunction with the Permatrim. The most notable improvement is the ability to keep the bow down in chop, the Permatrim did ok but now in combination with the trim tabs the ride is significantly improved.
At high cruise (5200 rpm @ 23 to 25mph), motor trim level and about 60% trim I gain about 1 to 1.5 mph.
Intermediate cruise (4200 rpm @ 18 to 20mph), full down trim on motor and about 60% on tabs I gain about 1 or 1.5mph.
I tried different combinations like deploying just enough trim tabs for lateral level, and then use the Permatrim for bow attitude; this trim set-up never resulted in positive results.
Truly surprised at the speed gains made with so much trim, thought the drag would slow things down.
We are usually loaded heavy so please with overall economy and speed from 06 carbonated Honda BF90.
The EIC control is easy to use and accurate to boot, highly recommend this setup.
SIDE NOTE:
Prop is stock 13.5 x 15, and I’ve raised the motor so Permatrim plains on top of water at speed.
Jay
At high cruise (5200 rpm @ 23 to 25mph), motor trim level and about 60% trim I gain about 1 to 1.5 mph.
Intermediate cruise (4200 rpm @ 18 to 20mph), full down trim on motor and about 60% on tabs I gain about 1 or 1.5mph.
I tried different combinations like deploying just enough trim tabs for lateral level, and then use the Permatrim for bow attitude; this trim set-up never resulted in positive results.
Truly surprised at the speed gains made with so much trim, thought the drag would slow things down.
We are usually loaded heavy so please with overall economy and speed from 06 carbonated Honda BF90.
The EIC control is easy to use and accurate to boot, highly recommend this setup.
SIDE NOTE:
Prop is stock 13.5 x 15, and I’ve raised the motor so Permatrim plains on top of water at speed.
Jay
Raising the motor may have helped the speed. My 25 has the motor too low, and I am rasing it before this trip. I was not sure until I put the Permatrim on--and then it was too late to easily raise the motor last year.
Also you are lifting the stern more with both the trim tabs and the Permatrim. I agree, it is night and day with both the tabs and Permatrim (my 22 had neither tabs or a Permatrim--and I think that both are a great addition).
Bob
Also you are lifting the stern more with both the trim tabs and the Permatrim. I agree, it is night and day with both the tabs and Permatrim (my 22 had neither tabs or a Permatrim--and I think that both are a great addition).
Bob
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Jay - Is it possible that your small increase in speed with tabs employed is a function of making your boat in essence a foot longer or that you trim your motor so that the thrust is parallel to the surface? Don't know. Perhaps our group has a naval architect who can speak to this increase in speed. John
Hi Jay,
We got the XerSeas out last weekend, finally. Saw a green C-Dory in the Cochrane Bay area on Sunday - yours?
Thanks for the views of your boat last month - it did help to give me a little motivation. Spent about 40 hrs of work cleaning up my boat and finally got 'er in the water!
Back to the topic (Trim Tabs): Best upgrade I made to my 1983 Classic was to remove the Smart Tabs and fill the 14 holes they made with marine tex. The boat now runs like a, well, boat. Maybe one of these years I'll install some Bennetts.
We got the XerSeas out last weekend, finally. Saw a green C-Dory in the Cochrane Bay area on Sunday - yours?
Thanks for the views of your boat last month - it did help to give me a little motivation. Spent about 40 hrs of work cleaning up my boat and finally got 'er in the water!
Back to the topic (Trim Tabs): Best upgrade I made to my 1983 Classic was to remove the Smart Tabs and fill the 14 holes they made with marine tex. The boat now runs like a, well, boat. Maybe one of these years I'll install some Bennetts.
Haven’t been up in Cochrane Bay yet this year but thinking this weekend, the weather doesn’t look that great on the outside. We were thinking of checking out Southern end of Knight but not with 3 to 4ft seas in the forecast for the Sound. Haven’t been up in Three fingers so may check that out along with pulling up some shrimp.
Glad you got her out on the water, put on a Permatrim tell you feel like dropping $ on the Trim tabs.
BTW Triple J has Blue trim- Understand you weren’t looking at the trim. :wink
Jay
Glad you got her out on the water, put on a Permatrim tell you feel like dropping $ on the Trim tabs.
BTW Triple J has Blue trim- Understand you weren’t looking at the trim. :wink
Jay