Triangle Canada Historic Canals Mini Loop

gulfcoast john

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Greetings from the Historic Canals of New York and Canada mini-loop adventure! (Assuming 1,200 water miles and 160 locks is a mini-anything).

We put in at Pirates Cove Marina on the Erie Canal. Good ramp for a TC255 (those can be hard to very hard to find), $5/day for truck and trailer parking. Beautiful scenery, surprisingly un-developed shores. No tides, no wakes at night as the locks close at 5pm and 5 or 10MPH speed limits. Most Loopers (those poor souls who didn’t buy a trailer boat) are out of this section weeks ago.

Mostly straightforward navigation with the exception of Oswego Lock 1, where the new Garmin G3 ‘preferred route’ dashed line goes right over the dam and over the waterfall, rather than into the lock. I would not advise that as it would not end up being a good boating day. We say, ‘if total damages after deductibles are under $1,000 and no one is seriously injured or killed, then it was a good boating day!’

Today we had a unique experience in Oswego Lock 7. Before I could secure the boat to a cable at the stern or Eileen could grab the ‘rope’ at the bow, the lockmaster yelled ‘hey, would you like to ride down free floating’? (if it’s not on a boat, it’s OK to call a rope a rope, but if it’s on a boat and you call a rope a rope rather than a ‘line’ and it hears you, it will part just when you need it most. I like to try to throw in a little free nautical education whenever I can, even though mine might not be as technically accurate as Bob’s).

Eileen and I looked at each other and said, “SURE....what could POSSIBLY go wrong?” Are we the only C-Dory to ride a lock totally free-floating? If not, sing out, otherwise we WILL claim this new title.

At one lock on the Tennessee/Cumberland river adventure last year we had serious gouging of an engine cowling scraping up a rough lock wall despite 2 lines and 5 fenders in a lock. A single F150 cowling is $1,200 and the decals are another $300. Yamaha is very proud of these cowlings.

We are holding at Oswego, NY today for severe thunderstorm warnings and will cross Lake Ontario tomorrow. (More specifically, we INTEND to cross Lake Ontario tomorrow. They don’t call them the Great Lakes for nuttin, and we should all respect that).

Then we’ll head into the the 1000 Islands. The area was named that because there are 1800 islands, but an ancient Indian tribe had the foresight to buy the 1-800-Islands.com domain back in the 1700’s, so New York couldn’t use that one. (Is this too much nautical education in one post?). Bob might dicker about this history.

The new F250 diesel 4WD Lariat Moby Dick III is an awesome, smooth and (dare I say?) comfortable and luxurious towing machine for a TC255. Buy two if you can can find them on a big sale.
Will add pics when this laptop starts accepting an SD card from either camera, in the interim be patient and silently wish us safe travels on this adventure!

Cheers, and stop planning and just do it!

John
 
Are we the only C-Dory to ride a lock totally free-floating? If not, sing out, otherwise we WILL claim this new title.

I suspect that quite a number of C Dorys have gone down free floating. We did twice on the upper Mississippi River. I prefer it. Going up--that might be another story!
 
Hi John,

Well, you would have won your award as far as I was concerned! We always held our lock ropes (not lines) securely. Pretty cool the lockmaster made the offer. You will love the 1,000 Islands. Just watch for any rocks you might encounter. It is a beautiful place, and great boating. If you pick up your trip, and are in the Rochester area, let us know. We'd love to say Hi, and if you'd be interested in seeing a little of the 'land based' sights, we could help you with that.
Regards, and safe travels,
Jack Howell (formerly C-renity).
 
Patty here. We free floated a couple of locks on our Great Loop adventure and it was okay when we were the only boat in the lock. But we free floated with 4 other trawlers on one lock being deconstructed (and therefore the walls couldn't be used) and it was hard. We were the last boat and those trawlers just kept backing up and backing up....
 
Nice report John, and thanks for the nautical education. Sounds like you are having a great adventure. Those Yami's are great and it's good to be proud of them -- at least the factory will agree on that. Enjoy and keep use up from there. 160 locks, you might have a C-Dory record there.

Stay safe.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Eileen and I looked at each other and said, “SURE....what could POSSIBLY go wrong?” Are we the only C-Dory to ride a lock totally free-floating? If not, sing out, otherwise we WILL claim this new title.

Been there, done that, several times, on the Mississippi River in a few of their locks. Once or twice by our self, once or twice with several other boats in the lock doing the same thing. Going up or down. Locks are pretty big. Even with a couple other fishing boats in with us, we had plenty of space between us and colliding was never a concern. 8) Colby
 
When we did the mini-loop we traveled from east to west starting at Oneida Lake on the Erie Canal. As you travel from Ottawa to Montreal be sure and take the Lachine Canal into Montreal. Overhead clearance is 8 feet and the distance is about 15 miles of no wake cruising through five locks. It will be a wonderful introduction to that amazing city that will lead you to old town and a very nice and convenient marina.

Happy memories of a great trip go with you.

Pat Clow
Meri Aura
 
hank clow":1w1xfylh said:
When we did the mini-loop we traveled from east to west starting at Oneida Lake on the Erie Canal. As you travel from Ottawa to Montreal be sure and take the Lachine Canal into Montreal. Overhead clearance is 8 feet and the distance is about 15 miles of no wake cruising through five locks. It will be a wonderful introduction to that amazing city that will lead you to old town and a very nice and convenient marina.

Happy memories of a great trip go with you.

Pat Clow
Meri Aura


Damn. I'm 8'6" with the radar arch.
 
ken35216":1m5r9807 said:
hank clow":1m5r9807 said:
When we did the mini-loop we traveled from east to west starting at Oneida Lake on the Erie Canal. As you travel from Ottawa to Montreal be sure and take the Lachine Canal into Montreal. Overhead clearance is 8 feet and the distance is about 15 miles of no wake cruising through five locks. It will be a wonderful introduction to that amazing city that will lead you to old town and a very nice and convenient marina.

Happy memories of a great trip go with you.

Pat Clow
Meri Aura


Damn. I'm 8'6" with the radar arch.

No problem. You just take on more, FOOD, WATER, FUEL, SPARE PARTS AND MORE FRIENDS :wink:

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Hi friends, thanks for the comments!

The Coleman RV AC seized up the week before we left.

The adventure continues, except in the wrong direction.

After Pirates Cove Marina owner Paul helped us launch, we got through the 8 Oswega locks over 24 miles in 2 days at 600-1200 RPM displacement speed with a severe thunderstorm warning delay where we ducked into the Fulton town docks. Per Waterway Guide, room for a 42 foot boat. See pics starting on page 11 of album…that is laughable.

Next night was at Oswego Marina, right off Lake Ontario. In the early morning I met a captain 2 docks down also headed to Clayton in a 30 ft cruiser and we agreed to buddy boat together at 26 MPH. My port F150 purred to life as usual, but the stbd bellowed smoke out the upper exhaust port below the cowling. I’ve never seen even a puff of smoke from these engines in 6 years. No alarms, no odd noises, both had 60PSI oil pressure per my Lowrance N2K hack, oil level OK. My new buddy knows a lot more about engines than I do and we tried all the prolonged neutral high RPM, idle, stopping, starting, swearing, added oil. Still more smoke than my 1980 120HP 2 stroke Evinrude had ever manufactured when out of tune and in a bad mood (and it was a one-mood machine).

There were no Yamaha mechanics around, but a group of 4 yard guys listened to my story and had no reason for a 4 stroke to smoke (except ‘maybe stress?’). They all recommended world famous Ess Kay Yard (near Pirates Cove) engine mechanics, “Large or small, we do it all.”

The engine tech called back that was he wasn’t comfortable with such a ‘Small’ engine, that it would have to be on the trailer, and that they couldn’t even look at it for a least a week from Wednesday, if then. He may have meant the last Wed in Sept.
“ Well then, who would you recommend?”
“Take it to Paul, at Pirates Cove Marina. If you hit all the locks lucky you can be there in 8 hours.”

Instead we got a Uber for $50 (one of the cheapest deals in this sad tale) back to our rig in 45 minutes, and talked to Paul who agreed to take a look at it with the caveat that not being a Yamaha dealer he didn’t have the computer or special tools etc if needed. We agreed not to run the stressed engine (looks like a Marlboro Man type engine to me) over 3000 rpm and low as possible.

We trailered the rig back 45 min to Oswego Wrights Landing marina, which has an adequate ramp (water is now 4 feet above chart datum). Walked over to our marina, idled the boat over and loaded the beast with moderate difficulty in a stiff broadside breeze (but now we were glad we were not on the Lake). By this time, no smoke at idle, but moderate smoke above 1500 RPM. We had to re-configure everything for trailering again, as speed limits are 55 MPH plus a 15 MPH wind. This took a couple of hours and along the way I twisted my left knee on the Armstrong ladder somehow in typical Old Fart fashion.

Then we trailered back to our original launch point at Pirates Cove, dropped the trailer and I hobbled around some and booked 2 nights at the local Hampton Inn. Last night I did a net search on Yamaha F150 4 stroke engines smoking and came across multiple entries dating back to 2004 and a Yamaha tech bulletin on The Hull Truth fishing and boating forum (which is based, of all places, in Pensacola). If the engine is trimmed to ‘negative’ trim and shut down, then the horizontal pistons are downhill to possible seepage of oil past the seals and into the combustion chamber if started up in neg trim the next day. And prolonged idle can lead to carbon fouling, even if always adding Yamaha Ring-Free like I do and ethanol free gas always and everywhere like we do.

One ex-Yamaha dealer ‘posted ‘ if the engine is peeing and there are no alarms you should run it hard and not worry, it is bullet-proof. You guys all worry too much.” I really liked that post.

I never thought about it, but I do trim all the way ‘down’ for idle forward which is not zero, but actually a bit ‘negative’ trim.

After an uncomfortable night, I woke up at 4am with a swollen left knee. This is known as ‘water on the knee’ or a knee ‘effusion’ if you are billing for it (I like to throw in a little free medical education when I can unless I can bill for it, but retired now so I can’t).

Long story short, asked and got permission to go to a civilian Urgent Care eval and Xray, where the radiologist interpreted a moderate ‘effusion’ (he’s billing your guvment) and advised a MRI and Orthopedic evaluation (he’s got malpractice insurance to pay for).

At 3:30 PM today (after turning the boat in at 4PM yesterday) Paul’s wife called that our boat is ready, and all they found was oil in the combustion chamber, and the oil level was too high (my bad, but I carry 4 qts and spares on expeditions).

Tomorrow we plan on launching the boat again at Pirate’s Cove with Paul’s help and holding in place until it’s clear that either my knee is improving or not while awaiting referral permission for the Ortho consult and MRI.

New pics in the album starting on page 11, but the upload is slow and painful at hotel wifi speeds.

Including one of us next to a USA tractor-trailer rig at a rest stop. When I tell some of you that our rig is ‘about as long’ as a tractor-trailer rig, I can actually HEAR you roll your eyes. A picture is worth 1000 (or even 1800) words.

1800Islands.com or bust!

Safe Boating!
John
 
John, I’ve been enjoying your telling of current adventure. You’re living the old saying “the difference between an adventure & ordeal is attitude”. I sure hope the knee & motor improves enough to carry on & looking forward to continuing post.

Jay
 
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New pictures on page 11.....

Including one of us next to a USA tractor-trailer rig at a rest stop. When I tell some of you that our rig is ‘about as long’ as a tractor-trailer rig, I can actually HEAR you roll your eyes. A picture is worth 1000 (or even 1800) words.

John

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OK, so our dream of being the first Brats to float a lock has crashed and burned in a spectacular fashion.

So maybe transiting the Oswego canal south to north twice in 5 days is a Brat first record!

Robert Wilkinson: “We did that 8 times in 3 days during an ice storm at night. I had to pick the lock at each lockmaster’s control room and work all the valves and gates. The shift cable was buggered up so we had to do the whole thing in reverse gear, and every time we hit a bergy with the prop, I had to pull the prop and hammer on it. Of course we couldn’t use any lights. And I forgot my gloves.”

Distraught Hindenburg reporter: "John's dream has crashed and burned yet again! Oh, the humanity!"

So maybe getting your outboard repaired in one day while on a cruise is a Brat first record!

Colby: “There was nothing wrong with your engine except its’ decision to allow you to operate it. I knew that the first time I saw you run your boat, and no doubt Paul did too.”

Distraught Hindenburg reporter: “John’s dream has crashed and burned AGAIN! OH, the HUMANITY!!”

OK, so maybe crossing Lake Ontario at 25-30MPH is a Brat first!

Bob: “We did it on a rough day in a few hours including smoke breaks, making 15 knots on inflatable stand-up paddleboards, and none of my cigars even got damp.”

Distraught Hindenburg reporter: “OH, THE HUMANITY!!!”

Oh well, the scenery is spectacular and the weather is great. Highs may reach 85 degrees for a few hours in the afternoon, but at 35% humidity with a stiff breeze we are glad we didn’t bring the 6000 BTU window air conditioner. 57 degrees last night. We piddled up the US side of the 1000 islands to Alexandria Bay, went over to Holdt castle for some pics, and back down the small-craft Canadian side, flying the courtesy Canadian flag. Somewhat rough and slamming return with whitecaps everywhere.

Absolutely incredibly clear fresh water where the rocks 15 feet down looks like 3 feet and up to 30 ft depth visibility of the huge killer boulders and submerged mountaintops beneath you. 5 days ago we were at Kingston, ON, Confederation Harbor marina after phoning in to clear Customs (easy if you pre-register at http:www.cbsa.gc.ca and click on Travellers for details...do that!). Customs will give you a ‘report number.’ they don’t tell you, but they expect you to display it in the window on BOTH sides of your boat to avoid problems with The Authorities. In Canada The Authorities carry big black menacing billy sticks and they know how to use them. (Don’t ask me how I know this). So display your Report Number.

4 days ago we were underway at the crack of 9AM to start the Rideau (pronounced “reed-o”) canal. The first 3 locks at Kingston Mills can take several hours to get through. 3 nights ago we were on the lock wall above Upper Brewers Lock 43 due to a severe thunderstorm blowing through about 2pm. We had power (Canadians call it ‘hydro’) and showers in a beautiful setting. Last night the Parks dock workers moved 2 boats further apart to allow us to parallel park into the last 28 feet with hydro, no showers. Very nice Parks workers, hats off.

Tonight we are 5 miles off the Ridaeu system at Westport to do laundry. My knee is still, if you will pardon the fancy medical terms, all swole up and hurtful (don’t try to bill for that, esp in Canada).

Hindenburg reporter: “You could post a picture in your album, but it would get less views than your Sewer Pipe Removal Project, and only Tyboo Mike thanked you for sharing that one. And I have a feeling he was being sarcastic.”

Me: "Move along, buddy, nothing to see here."

Some new pics on pages 11 and 12 of the album, but these marina wi fi’s are too slow to load pics and my Verizon JetPack is very pricey for photos.

A wonderful trip so far and in an absolutely stunningly beautiful area. Thanks Canada for allowing us to share it with you!

Any Brat that can wait a few days for a weather window on the larger lakes can do this with one hand and one eye and one knee.

Also, August is not a bad time to not be in Pensacola.

Cheers! and safe travels!
John
 
Sounds like you are having fun. (On and off the boat. :P )

Wish I was there with you guys! Just to make sure you're not making anything up that you post. :mrgreen: Colby
 
When you get to Ottawa, plan to take some time to enjoy that great city. We were able to tie up in the middle of downtown. Hull, which is a sister city across the river has a great Museum of Civilization with stunning native artifacts.

You'll love going through the seven locks to get to the Ottawa River.

Your Rideau comments bring back more warm memories of our trip.

Pat Clow
Meri Aura
 
Greetings from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, on the Rideau Canal!

Thanks, Pat for the Lachine Canal info… it prompted us to ask the locals, who verified that the alternative 3 St L Seaway locks will make recreational boaters wait up to 8 hours at each, and the Lachine canal would bypass two of those three if we can squeeze under the 8 ft hgt limit. They are NOT part of the Parks Canada historic canals system and the seasonal pass does not apply.

My Bob Austin Designs Inc. Home Depot Commode flange PVC pipe radar pedestal support is at 8 ft if we remove the radar dome. That’s only 4 bolts and 2 quick-disconnects. Then we could add 50 more gallons of gas (heck, it’s only $6.80 a gallon around here) and eat out at an Italian restaurant and sink the cockpit scuppers and get her half a fingernail under 8 ft air draft.

I would like to sit the radar dome behind the rooftop AC as a gag picture! Wouldn’t that be sweet on the Garmin tech blogs?

Ken, remove your dome and the radar arch is only another 2-4 bolts through the roof. If it saves you 16 hours waiting time on the St L Seaway it would be worth it!.

Some new pics on pages 12-13 of the album, including one of our TC255 consistently purring on one engine at 1600 RPM while making over 6 MPH burning 1.5 GPH with both engines down, one off. If I raise the inop engine, I can’t steer. The ‘off’ engine down seems to provide some proa-like stability.

Only my Port engine is ‘combined’ with the House battery when the House battery is switched to ‘combined’. That prevents the fridge from discharging the House battery too much while underway at these ‘no wake’ speeds. Credit goes to Discovery crew for describing this technique. We have also used it on the St John Manatee 6MPH zones with success.

However, if you own a TC255, this will not make you as happy as running this fine boat at 3500-4000 RPM on both engines.

Great trip, Canadians are friendly and super helpful to cruisers. Start your planning now!

Although we have found Verizon to provide the best overall coverage for boating and trailering in the US, it’s spotty at best in this part of Ontario. So forgive me if it takes a week or more to respond to PM’s or Replys.

Cheers!
John
 
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