tomcat vs other cdorrys for offshore?

discovery, you must be on the super high end of people trailering a T255. although you confirm it's more than possible, a 10K lb multihull load is something too intimidating for me personally, to do on a regular basis. i don't think a f450 would make it any less harrowing either. (not for me and my nerves, but i commend what you can do) i'll wait it out until the move to the coast
 
If a C-Dory is considered an offshore vessel then so is a canoe
since "offshore" means "some distance" from land.

If I offered to give you "some money", how much would you expect?

Aarrgg.
 
I see Foggy's recent point but I think everyone is taking as given that the poster is talking about occasional fair weather/short duration ocean day trips for fishing. Not so much lifestyle cruising or circumnavigation. His lady is averse to rolling and probably prefers a dedicated toilet. Of his identified choices only the Rosborough and the Tomcat are reasonable. An interesting side discussion might be the identification of other possible boat choices which meet his requirements. I have some in mind but all costing well over $100k, often much more.
 
Tilikum, John Voss: His greatest contribution was that of the use of the Sea Anchor. I used to have the book--donated to a library years ago. It is an interesting read. He did not sail around the World--and did not have a cargo of skulls. I believe that one story was that the indigenous person who he bought the canoe from presented him with a skull, which supposedly was that man's father, who had built the canoe.

It was a very foolhardy endeavor, and almost ended tragically several times. The boat made it to England, and then was eventually shipped back to BC, where it is the Maritime Museum of BC. That museum is definitely worth at least half a day when one is in Victoria. 634 Humboldt St, Victoria, BC V8W 1A4, Canada

I don't ever remember anyone mentioning this museum. The first time I went to Victoria--that was first on my list of things to do in the city!
 
I haven't been to the Maritime Museum in Victoria for a very long time, but when I was a kid I spent many hours there each time I visited Victoria (about once a year). It was one of my favorite places.
 
A lot of discussion about whether a C-dory can be used " offshore". Offshore areas vary tremendously by geograghic location. I would suggest visiting marinas in the area you are wanting to boat out of. Look around to see what other people are using ! Even the canoe can go out in the right conditions, does not make it an "offshore" boat. Talk to other boaters in these areas about there boats use in the "offshore" water.
 
Merriam-Webster Dictionary pretty much nails the definition of off shore.....not!

Quote from Merriam:
"Definition of offshore
1 :from the shore :seaward; also :at a distance from the shore
2 :outside the country :abroad"

Or from some of the fishing web pages:
"The biggest difference between inshore and offshore fishing is the depth of the water, with 30 meters of water being an accepted line-in-the-sand acting as the border between the two."

Wow- I never realized how much off-shore fishing I did when I lived near Seattle nor how much inshore fishing I did in the gulf? :roll:
 
I never looked up the definition but always considered myself as being "offshore" when sight of land was lost. But of coarse even that depends on the topography of the shoreline you are leaving.

Thanks Bob - interesting canoe story.
 
thataway":2jw43ohe said:
Tilikum, John Voss.
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Thanks Bob! I never dreamed a canoe could have three masts and four sails? I guess if it is 'pointy' at each end and can be paddled, it's a canoe?
 
Foggy":kieoroi4 said:
If a C-Dory is considered an offshore vessel then so is a canoe
since "offshore" means "some distance" from land.

If I offered to give you "some money", how much would you expect?

Aarrgg.
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Foggy, My Friend, Canoes do go "off shore" and have for a very long time, and still do. See this:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/indigenous/ ... -1.4213295

The Quinault and their Quileute and Makah neighbours, who make their homes on Washington's Pacific coast, have hunted whales in oceangoing canoes for hundreds, even thousands of years. The Makah, whose reservation is at the tip of the Olympic Peninsula, still do.
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I guess it just depends on who's running the boat. (And that would have to do with what choices were made as to what boat too.)

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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westward,
you're addressing my thiughts and concerns with a bit more insight, and it's great l. but some guys need to do the knee-jerk response, based on their own wants.

i am enormously self-sufficient, could restore and maintain an old vessel with the same technical skill as a hous or car project (not comparring here) only saying that, to say that i siezed on the idea of owning a CD22 with a 1/2 ton to drop in and out of the landing, with quite the cabin to have the time of my last fe every weekend.

that being said, i've entered phase 2, into coupling something a bit more stable in the rougher open ocean to (occasionally) reach the CA islands. that has brought me from a $30k investment this year to doubling down on my investment, now pushed to late 2018.

is this all carved in stone? not by any means, but the T255 does have quite a bit of versatility, that should keep it the front-runner. and there's sure plenty of $100k+ options, and i could stay working another decade into my 60s too, a smaller house in a cheaper neighborhood. always options. . .

i've pushed my boat search and sea trials to 2018 (as my purchase date has been pushed mid to late 2018) i reserve the right to change my mind, based on new information. some like to chime in to attack the learning process. i can take it with a grain of salt.
 
hardee":km0mauay said:
Foggy":km0mauay said:
If a C-Dory is considered an offshore vessel then so is a canoe
since "offshore" means "some distance" from land.

If I offered to give you "some money", how much would you expect?

Aarrgg.
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Foggy, My Friend, Canoes do go "off shore" and have for a very long time, and still do. See this:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/indigenous/ ... -1.4213295

The Quinault and their Quileute and Makah neighbours, who make their homes on Washington's Pacific coast, have hunted whales in oceangoing canoes for hundreds, even thousands of years. The Makah, whose reservation is at the tip of the Olympic Peninsula, still do.
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I guess it just depends on who's running the boat. (And that would have to do with what choices were made as to what boat too.)

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Harvey, for an interesting read, pick up a copy of Ivan Doug's "The Sea Runners". It's historical fiction. He also wrote about James Swan, one of the early settlers in your region. Swan made canoe trips with the First Nations people. Maybe as far as Haida Gwai (?)... That book is "Winter Brothers".
 
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