Toland 18-8

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jhayes1068

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I was looking at Ben Toland's new boat and in the credits of boats that he has designed, there was a Toland 18-8 listed. I can't find any information on the boat and wondered if anyone on the c-brats owned one or if anyone had seen the boat? Thanks, Jim
 
Jim-

The Toland 18-8 was one of Ben's earlier designs, and looks like this:

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Leo Smith's Toland 18-8 (since sold)

HERE'S A PDF FILE OF THE COLOR BROCHURE FOR THE BOAT:

1994 TOLAND 18-8 CRUISER BROCHURE

I'm sure others will have more to say about this great little compact member of the C-Ddory Family!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Mark and Joe, thanks for the information and picture of the 18-8. Man, I really like the looks of that boat and the size is great for the things I'd like to do with a boat. It's a darn shame there's not more of them out there for sale. Do either of you guys know approximately how many of the 18-8's were made? regards, Jim
 
While I was looking at the brochure on the 18-8 I saw that it was rated up to 75 hp. I think a new 50 or 70 hp motor would really work well on that boat. I e-mailed Monty just to see if he still had the boat: I'd sure like to take a look at it! :D Jim
 
Jim – 10 were made that eventually sold and Ben made one for his sister that was never completed. I don’t remember what happened to it. It was completed enough to use but most of the interior work was not completed and possibly some of the exterior accessories.

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www.tolandmarine.com
 
Thanks Dave. That cuts the number down even more, so I would imagine that it'll be hard to find one. The good or bad thing (depending on how you look at it) is that most people get a great boat and they really don't put them up for sale very often unless they outgrow it. :? Jim
 
We have one floating around in our area. It came to the Sequim Bay SP CBGT each of the last two years. Here is a link to the photo in my album: It is in the sub album "Other Boats We Have Seen"

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _photo.php

I believe it lives in Port Townsend, WA or close.

Anybody looking for one of these should certainly consider Dave and Ben's new Marinaut 21. It has a ton of neat tricks on board.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
The picture of the 18.8 that Joe (Sea Wolf) posted above is of the vessel that Leo Smith used to own. Leo has been a C-Brat since 2003 and occasionally still posts on the site. The picture displayed was photographed on the Snohomish River during one of our Snohomish River Delta Cruises. I've been on that vessel a couple of times. Once when Leo owned it and once when it was for sale up at EQ Marine. Unfortunately, I don't recall the particulars of it other than to say it is a NICE vessel.
 
Steve Grover":1d2jj23m said:
What is the difference between the Toland 18-8 and the Dory 19' other than the cabin and bulk head door? The 19' can handle a 90hp very well.
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The Toland 18-8 was designed as an 18 foot boat, and is very efficient with less horsepower.

The CD-19 is a shortened CD-22. They took 3 feet out by combining the shorter cabin of the Angler with the shorter cockpit of the Cruiser, as opposed to the longer cabin of the Cruiser and the longer cockpit of the Angler. They also removed the rigid bulkhead, etc.

The 19 seems to require just as much power as does the 22, and gets about the same gas mileage. Part of this is because the hull porpoises without trim tabs, and adding them and running them continuously in the down position creates drag.

The 19 is still a nice boat, but if I were the manufacturer and had the option*, I'd keep both 22's, drop the 19, and add that little 18 footer back into the line-up. It would fill the need for those who like the 16, but want just a little more room in it to go cruising and over-nighting. (JMHO)

* assuming one had the molds and the right to reproduce the design.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
So, you are saying that other than 12" in the hull length, the hull design is different?
I know there are 19's out there running well on less than 90hp. One of the reasons for greater hp needed for the 22'er is that much more weight is loaded into the hull because there is more storage space and people seem to need more stuff.
I run my 19 with the taps almost flush with the hull. The permatrim does the rest
and I get 5 plus mpg at 18-20 mph over the water at 38 to 4000 rpm's, if conditions are reasonable.
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Steve-

Nice to hear from you!

I'm glad to hear your 19 runs efficiently for you and gets very good gas mileage!

My remarks are generalized from all the threads and posts I remember reading here on this site, not a scientific survey (!)

Our own Bill (DaNag) was the first to own a 19, and much of what I think was learned and gleaned for those early posts about the 19, as well as lots of others that have followed over the last 4-6 years.

The Toland 18-8 is a different hull than the CD-19. It's actually 18' 8' long, hence it's name, but only 7' 3" wide compared to 7' 8" for the CD. The Toland weighs about 200 pounds less, has a little more "V" in the hull, and I'm sure there are other differences, but I'm not able to delineate them.

I don't have anything against the 19, just always thought it would be easier to buy a used 22 for about the same money and have the comfort and larger cruising ability of the larger boat!

Heck, even some of my best friends are very happy CD-19 owners, like Robbi (C-Run) , and Arnie Huff (Loose Nut). :wink

Don't lose sleep (I'm sure you won't !) over my opinion, I'm just another old fart with some hard-headed opinions, some of which don't fly very well! :tux :lol:

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Don't lose sleep (I'm sure you won't !) over my opinion, I'm just another old fart with some hard-headed opinions, some of which don't fly very well!

Joe.
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There must be a new and different Joe on the sight :wink than the one we all know and love.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Thanks for all of the information on the 18-8. I e-mailed Monty and the boat has been sold. There's just something about that boat that I really like and I can't put my finger on what it is. I agree that it would be nice to see someone start making the boat again, leaving the hull like it is and from what I've seen of the interior, there wouldn't need much of a update other than try to maintain good sized access hatches to storage areas. I like the idea that the boat performs nicely on a 40 hp motor. :D Jim
 
Hey Jim, I had hull # 14 of the 18' C-Dory Angler...and there were 14 built. Look in my FreeByrd photo album, then, punch in C-Byrd. I loved the boat. Spent boo-koo on it taking it all the way back to bare hull, filling in all the holes the original owner put for his set up, re-gel coated the interior as to get ride of the "dalmatian look" from all the friken holes... and she was a beauty. Sold her less than a year ago to a wonderful C-Brat in Chattanooga, who, also bought my CD16 cruiser.

The 18 was hands down the fix for the things I did not like about my 16. Now, Roger Johnson (SENSEI) and I made a C-Brat gathering on this boat together down the Cumberland. That is about 600 pounds of people in two people, so, safe to say neither of us are small...but I am short. :mrgreen: Today, I am sorry I sold the boat, and have asked for 1st buyers rights/option if Cliff goes to ever sell her. Do not think that will happen any time soon, as Cliff feels the same way I do about the boat...other than he did not have to do all the work/time/effort and travel to bring her back to like new condition...practically... still some items that needed to be done.

So, after all of that..I'll say this.... I bet the total build cost with parts/labor is not that much different between that 18 (if anyone built them again today) and the current CD22s. I think the biggest advantagde of the CD19 over the CD22 is the no solid aft bulkhead wall on the cabin. Ben and Dave seem to be taking care of that with their new boat and...my humble opinion... that would be a great option for either/both of the CD22s. Just think of an aft wall that with a cordless drill and about 30 minutes and about a dozen fastening points....you could be total enclosed...or, for that trip...and the needs of it...total open...or, just a canvas drop for a very flexible mix there of. Just a thought.

I have enjoyed our emails and communications on your hunt for a boat. Keep it up, be cash in hand ready...and some day, one will be posted. As a side note, I got a cell phone call driving down the interstate on the way back home that the CD18 was for sale in "as is condition"... and it needed much love. But, my point, is I called the lady, told her I was 12 hours drive time away, and asked her to hold the boat for me as I had changed directions and was enroute. Then, some others closer to her, attempted to get her to sell them the boat because they were standing there...(shorter drive distance). Thankfully, she had a bit of integrity, and held the boat for the hours I needed to drive there. I say this as to alert you to the fact that you are not the only one looking for good deals on used C-Dory boats....and we DO have folks on here that will cut your legs out from under you...even as you drive to see the boat.

Happy hunting.

Byrdman
 
jhayes1068":vetsnib4 said:
There's just something about that boat that I really like and I can't put my finger on what it is.
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Exactly! I saw Leo's boat in 2003 or 4 at the Snohomish GT and to this day have the same fond memory of it.
 
I talked to a gentleman who had an 18-8 and lives on Vashon Island. He has some health issues and was going to sell it and I told him I was interested but at the last minute he decided to hang onto it for another year or so. I have been watching for it to turn up again. I left him my name and number but never heard back from him.
 
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