Thinking of Going to All Chain

I would go back and read "drbridge" a couple of times. Both posts. Makes 100 feet of sense. Although I don't run any rode out, just the chain, It does not clang, clunk or snap. The chain weight makes up for needing a snubber in my experience. And not running the rode out, there is never an issue in retrieval. Always comes up clean.

I didn't know Doug was using a 100 foot chain, but I remember talking with him about that. I see no reason why that would not work on a 25, (don't think the difference in weight of 100 vs 70 would be noticed, and it would give just a shade more anchoring depth choice.

My vote is for 100 feet of chain with a long taper to a length (200 feet) of nylon 3 strand. You will love it at 100 and have plenty for anchoring with extended scope when the hurricane hits.

All the best to the Daydream crew.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Well, we have 8 plait rode purchased very recently, and we are not going to switch to 3 plait. 70 feet of chain would allow us to anchor at our usual depths, but maybe 100 feet would be better. I am not concerned about tying off the chain at the bow, it goes around the cleat pretty much the same way the rode does. The only question is whether or not to splice it to any rode at all. We may be back to 100 feet of all chain, which is certainly more than ample for anchoring in out typical 10 - 15 feet. We might try that first, pull the rode out and let Patty practice splicing. Then if we feel we need to add rode, we can do that later, We certainly don't need rode for crabbing in Birch Bay.
 
One of the reasons I went to all chain was that I switched from three-plaid to eight-plaid rode. The eight-plaid kept slipping in the gypsy. Rather than going back to three-plaid and re-splicing all the time, I went with all chain.
 
Pat,
It would have been helpful if you had noted that you had 8 plait rope in your first post.

I would strongly advise against wrapping the chain around the cleat. Get a short piece of 3 strand, and put a chain hook on the end of it. Put the chain hook around the chain, and then tie the line to the cleat. Simple and easy to do--the line can be tied to the cleat before you put the chain out.
 
Pat,
Wrapping chain around a cleat is never advised by experts (I am not one).

PM me with your address and i'll send you a spare G43 US made chain hook that we use all the time and works very well.
John
 
On the chain hook line, I have a chain hook attached to a 5-6 foot section of 3 ply, that has a loop tied in at the other end, so it just loops over the forward cleat. No tying involved, and the line goes out through the anchor launcher, hangs just a few feet above the water level. BUT, that requires going out forward, so, I don't use it that often.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Pacificcoast101":36d4op54 said:
One of the reasons I went to all chain was that I switched from three-plaid to eight-plaid rode. The eight-plaid kept slipping in the gypsy. Rather than going back to three-plaid and re-splicing all the time, I went with all chain.
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Not sure what you mean by "re-splicing all the time"? Do you change your rode frequently?

Martin.
 
We went from 30 ft chain and 100 ft of 3 ply line to all chain 100ft This seems to be more then sufficient for the few times we anchor out in the Gulf We have a V 700 windlass It works all the time and holds our 23 Venture with no problem. If it gets to rough we use a snubber to take the shock out of chain Jim W
 
thataway":2sv4b1uj said:
Pat,
It would have been helpful if you had noted that you had 8 plait rope in your first post.

I would strongly advise against wrapping the chain around the cleat. Get a short piece of 3 strand, and put a chain hook on the end of it. Put the chain hook around the chain, and then tie the line to the cleat. Simple and easy to do--the line can be tied to the cleat before you put the chain out.
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OK, great, that sounds like the way to go.
 
Following discussion. When those of you who use a chain hook say “chain hook”, is this some kind of special marine application anchoring device or the same kind of tension secured hook you would find on a log chain? Thanks!
 
If I anchor real shallow and only have chain out, I use the right size chain hook. Attach the anchor hook to 4 or 5ft of rode, hook on to the chain and fasten the rode to the bow cleat. Let out a tad more chain to take the strain off the windlass and you are done. Some boaters use 2 chain hooks and snubbers and tie off to the Pt & Stbd cleats. When the anchor is stowed while underway I attach the chain hook again. Just another precaution in case the anchor deploys by mistake.

Anchoring seems easier to me if I am not useing all chain.

Martin.
 
There are several types of "Chain hooks" used boats: The industrial ones shown by Harvey are not really applicable.

The rope is secured with an eye splice directly, or a shackle (Shackles for bridle) thru the ring of the chain hook. You let a loop of "lazy chain" hang between the boat and chain hook.

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This is a Devil's claw:

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A more secure version:

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Finally what I like, is a SS plate with two holes and a slot. Each of two snubbers is placed on each side using a shackle thru an thimbled eye splice. This is a locking version, but I would never use a carabiner. :

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Another bridle / chain attachment solution is with the use of dyneema soft shackles. I have two 3-strand nylon lines in to which I spliced a thimble. I run a dyneema soft shackle through each thimble and then through a link in my anchor chain. Each 3-strand nylon line gets secured to my two bow cleats.

I use this:
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=2860710

The 6mm fits through the links on my ACCO G43 5/16 chain and has a breaking strength of twice the max working load of the high test chain. They have the added benefit of not accidentally falling off like some chain hooks can until they're loaded.
 
I don’t know if this is directly relevant to this discussion but I went all chain a couple years ago and now I am going back to rope and chain

The reason is because of something a person may not think of at first-

When we are anchored, the chain slowly drags on ocean floor as the boat moves with current and wind. That sounds travels up the chain to right above our heads when we sleep in the bunk.

I have also thought of wrapping the chain on foredeck as a sound dampener.
Not sure.
Just something to think about. Never had that issue with rope and chain
 
C-Val":35lbx5w9 said:
I don’t know if this is directly relevant to this discussion but I went all chain a couple years ago and now I am going back to rope and chain

The reason is because of something a person may not think of at first-

When we are anchored, the chain slowly drags on ocean floor as the boat moves with current and wind. That sounds travels up the chain to right above our heads when we sleep in the bunk.

I have also thought of wrapping the chain on foredeck as a sound dampener.
Not sure.
Just something to think about. Never had that issue with rope and chain
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Do you use a snubber? We have had chain noise transmitted the the water on hard seabeds.
 
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