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Global Warming: Valid concern or hysteria?

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Dave said

Your comments about Bill O’Reilly surprises me. Of all the major news anchors of all the major networks, I find him to be the least biased and as the Fox Network says, Fair and Balanced

Dave I am surprised you would call oreilly fair and balanced when he has been caught outright lying. Perhaps your mainstream media didn't report it? The video is available on u tube . You should watch as oreilly makes up the name of a newpaper and then makes up what the "the non existent" newspaper says.Seldom does anyone get so clearly busted.

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2664114

Secondly..Oreilly is not a news anchor. He is a commentator. The fact you think he is a news anchor scares me.


Dave if you got your news from more reliable sources you would have know this.

I also suggest you watch a documentary called outfoxed. I think you will change your mind about fox news after you watch that,


Jim D
 
ryder: I'll give YOU something to think about.

Don't "bad-mouth" My Country and My Fellow Americans and I'll leave Canada and Canadian Media alone.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 
Cheers said

ryder: I'll give YOU something to think about.

Don't "bad-mouth" My Country and My Fellow Americans and I'll leave Canada and Canadian Media alone.

Since when does oreilly represent america?
He may represent you but I can assure you most americans don't want to associate themselves with liars.

Regards
Jim D
 
Ryder

Was that your best shot? I'm finished with my comments - by the way, I don't recall mentioning anyone by name!
 
Cheers, give me a break!!! Sheesh!!
Cheers":2yjt64fq said:
ryder: I'll give YOU something to think about.

Don't "bad-mouth" My Country and My Fellow Americans and I'll leave Canada and Canadian Media alone
And people wonder why other countries call us "Ugly Americans".

Ryder, you should have stopped a few pages ago.

To all, this has been an...uumm...interesting thread but I've had enough. PEACE OUT --- Peter
 
This is from the Editorial Page of the Wall Street Journal yesterday--a conservative newspaper. It is an interview between CNN's Miles O'Brien, and Dr. John Christy, Intergovernmental Pannel on Climate change, Professor and director of the Atmospheric Science deptartment at University of Alabama and co recepient of the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore.

"Notable & Quotable

O'BRIEN: I assume you're not happy about sharing this award with Al Gore. You going to renounce it in some way?

CHRISTY: Well, as a scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, I always thought that -- I may sound like the Grinch who stole Christmas here -- that prizes were given for performance, and not for promotional activities.

And, when I look at the world, I see that the carbon dioxide rate is increasing, and energy demand, of course, is increasing. And that's because, without energy, life is brutal and short. So, I don't see very much effect in trying to scare people into not using energy, when it is the very basis of how we can live in our society.

O'BRIEN: So, what about the movie ["An Inconvenient Truth"]; do you take issue with, then, Dr. Christy?

CHRISTY: Well, there's any number of things.

I suppose, fundamentally, it's the fact that someone is speaking about a science that I have been very heavily involved with and have labored so hard in, and been humiliated by, in the sense that the climate is so difficult to understand, Mother Nature is so complex, and so the uncertainties are great, and then to hear someone speak with such certainty and such confidence about what the climate is going to do is -- well, I suppose I could be kind and say, it's annoying to me.

O'BRIEN: But you just got through saying that the carbon dioxide levels are up. Temperatures are going up. There is a certain degree of certainty that goes along with that, right?

CHRISTY: Well, the carbon dioxide is going up. And remember that carbon dioxide is plant food in the fundamental sense. All of life depends on the fact carbon dioxide is in the atmosphere. So, we're fortunate it's not a toxic gas. But, on the other hand, what is the climate doing. And when we build -- and I'm one of the few people in the world that actually builds these climate data sets -- we don't see the catastrophic changes that are being promoted all over the place.

For example, I suppose CNN did not announce two weeks ago when the Antarctic sea ice extent reached its all-time maximum, even though, in the Arctic in the North Pole, it reached its all-time minimum."
 
Bob:

As always, anything you write makes me sit up and take notice. Out of curiosity I did some further exploration...

I was interested in this statement by Dr. Christy:

"It is scientifically inconceivable that after changing forests into cities, turning millions of acres into irrigated farmland, putting massive quantities of soot and dust into the air, and putting extra greenhouse gases into the air, that the natural course of climate has not changed in some way."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy

And of course, the International Panel on Climate Change shared the Nobel prize with Al Gore, not John Christy. In fact, I could not find his name on the IPCC panel. He appears to have been the lead author of an IPCC report in 2001.

http://www.ipcc.ch/about/faq/IPCC%20Who%20is%20who.pdf

Just goes to show that even a single individual- a scientist at that- can be quoted supporting different points of view!
 
Just want you to realize all Canadians are not like Jim D (ryder)

America: The Good Neighbor. by By Gordon Sinclair

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!


Unfortunately, Mr. Sinclari has died. What a great Canadian he was. This was said by Mr. Sinclari during the Viet Nam war but it has as much meaning today as it did back then.
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Alok":2s78vmnx said:
Just goes to show that even a single individual- a scientist at that- can be quoted supporting different points of view!
Alok - you copied a quote from (John R. Christy a climate scientist) from Wikipedia and did not include the rest of the quote and information from the site. I know it was just an oversight on your part so I included it below.

It is scientifically inconceivable that after changing forests into cities, turning millions of acres into irrigated farmland, putting massive quantities of soot and dust into the air, and putting extra greenhouse gases into the air, that the natural course of climate has not changed in some way.

More recently, in a publication in the series Washington Roundtable on Science and Public Policy he said:
"I showed some evidence that humans are causing warming in the surface measurements that we have but it is not the greenhouse relation."
Christy has also said that while he supports the AGU declaration, and is convinced that human activities are a cause of the global warming that has been measured, he is "still a strong critic of scientists who make catastrophic predictions of huge increases in global temperatures and tremendous rises in sea levels."

Comparison of ground based (blue) and satellite based (red: UAH; green: RSS) records of temperature variations since 1979. Trends plotted since January 1982.The climate trend shown by the UAH satellite data has changed through time, due to corrections in the processing and as the climate has varied. During the first several years of data collection the global trend was downward. That has since changed and the most recent long-term average global climate trend seen in the satellite data is +0.14 C (about 0.25° Fahrenheit) per decade.

Unlike some other major climate data sets, the satellite data are constantly being refined and adjusted as new discoveries are made in the relatively new science of remote sensing. Notable adjustments were made to compensate for the effects of orbital drift and orbital decay, and most recently to correct an arithmetic error. Christy and Spencer use intercalibration between instruments on different satellites to adjust for instrument bias, then try to validate their data by comparing it to data gathered by weather balloons and surface stations.

from my reading, it appears there is no contradiction there.

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When someone's career such as Rush , Coulter etc is based on getting you to dislike a group of people you can sure they arent worth much. And if you get off on listening to that trash then that's your problem not mine

Rush's career is not based on getting me to hate people. Thats what hate fully poeple on the other side dont get about him ( not everyone on the other side is hateful, just ryder) He is popular because he is a voice on many subjects for a LOT of americans, thats why he is the most listen to radio talk show host on the planet. More people listen to him then watch cnn and msnbc combinded. He is good because he questions life and the world. also of note he is rated ( cant remember the nane of the group) as being 99.8% accurate in his facts every year. The same group, sorry I cant remeber the name drives me crazy. rates all the news stations.
Do I agree to everything he says NO. I dont agree with half of what any one says and thats on a good day. Ann Coulter is another matter, dont much care for her and she goes to far on a lot of stuff, is she right on other stuff? some times , that whole blind squirral thing going on. but I dont hate her and she does not deserve to be threaten with rape for her view. Can you beleive that , some folks dont like her veiws on what ever so the threaten to rape her???

I have a hard time with most people when talking about politics or religeon, which are and should be two differnet subject. So lets play a game. I will tell you how I vote on a few things and you tell me what party I belong to.


1. right to care a gun.. for it( so they cant take the other rights away)
2 right to a abortion..for it ( bad choice but not my choice to make)
3. state rights.. aginist it
4. the war on iraq and terror.. for it
5. the enviroment.. for it ( live here to you know)
6. seperation of chruch and state.. for it ( not in the constution by the way but should have been.)
7. free health care.. aginsit it ( you get what you pay for)
8. gay rights to marriage .. for it. ( they love one another, still gross but its there life not mine)
9.God in the pledge .. against it ( didnt need it for the first 100 years or so plus the mexicain american war and the irish brigaide thing)
10. higher taxes..aginist it (get your own money)
11. welfare.. aginist it.. get a job.. and its bad training.
12.The U.N. ..aginist it and we <america> should pull out of it. they cause to many deaths world wide with in action. see maleria, and africa
13. well that should be enough for now and warren does not get to vote, knows me to well.
 
Dave

Great article , I have sent that article to many americans myself. Most canadians including myself have a high regard for the "average" american.

I suspect though that my educating you on oreilly didn't leave a good taste in your mouth, especially since i proved it beyond doubt. I do understand that a good defense is to attack the messenger rather than dispute my points.
It would be nice if you guys weren't so predictable. Rush has trained you well.

I too am tired of this topic...

I am done.....
regards

Jim D
 
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