The good and the oh-so bad.

o who got the "Bloody hubs" that you turned immediately following the bandsaw incident

Don, It happened so fast that the block I was cutting jumped of the bandsaw table faster than my hand, and that was pretty fast. I picked it up later, after returning from ER and didn't note a speck of anything other than saw dust.
I can almost type normally again. Still alittle problem with the left keyboard keys.

Take a picture of your hub without the factory insert and also tell me the inside diameter of the hole I need to fill and I WILL make one that fits. I take this as a challenge to fill.
 
Anna Leigh":yqkv5axi said:
Take a picture of your hub without the factory insert and also tell me the inside diameter of the hole I need to fill and I WILL make one that fits. I take this as a challenge to fill.

Only if I can supply the stock, Dave. Lemmesee, Ebony? Mesquite? Ironwood? :twisted:

Very generous of you, Dave. Thanks for the offer.

Don
 
Brats,

As I mentioned in my EARLIER POST the factory is producing the CD 25 with molded cabinets. Dee and I were at the factory on 12-29-06 and saw what I think is the first 25 with molded cabinets. (see my earlier post for observations on the new interior) I should have mentioned that both Dee and I had concerns about the changes in the cabinets which we expressed to the factory at that time.

David,

Please bring your handsome helm hubs to the SBS. We would like to have one of those beauties.

Salutations and continued success for C-Dory and C-Brats,

Don
 
Anna Leigh":2hkq9qcl said:
o who got the "Bloody hubs" that you turned immediately following the bandsaw incident

Don, It happened so fast that the block I was cutting jumped of the bandsaw table faster than my hand, and that was pretty fast. I picked it up later, after returning from ER and didn't note a speck of anything other than saw dust.
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We're all happy that it was the block off wood you picked up off the floor as opposed to the hand....

Those new hubs look pretty sweet also. Hopefully you set one aside for me to get at the boat show. I'll meet your price and sweeten the deal with some of my smoked salmon... :thup
 
I could kick myself for not taking pictures of the new inside but honestly I had forgot about the new changes until after I left the show. However t I did snap some photo's of the cockpit and it's new look. I like the molded floor and the new steps. It looks much more "polished". However I do not like the gunnel shelf. I also liked the icechest rack pictured on the 22 angler.

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again its about taste. the new gunnal shelf is nicer looking but has about half the storage area. its shorter and thinner. Mine is the full lenght of the cockpit and the depth goes to the out side hull. Again c-dory has chosen looks and finish over usefullness. I have both of these areas stuffed with fishing supplies and extra deck lines. I would be hard pressed if i lost this storage.
 
starcrafttom":20ka7bfc said:
again its about taste. the new gunnal shelf is nicer looking but has about half the storage area. its shorter and thinner. Mine is the full lenght of the cockpit and the depth goes to the out side hull. Again c-dory has chosen looks and finish over usefullness. I have both of these areas stuffed with fishing supplies and extra deck lines. I would be hard pressed if i lost this storage.

That's exactly why I don't like the new ones. They look nice but are less functional.

I would venture to guess that this new "polished" look is what the newby c-dory shopper expects in a boat nearing the 50k pricepoint. A lot of people just don't appreciate the keep it simple tradition of the c-dory line and the dealers probably got tired of "defending" the simple look. Or that's just my sense anyway.
 

I was off line for two days and look at all the excitement I missed.
Reminds me of when the R-25 was being developed.

Comments were - - - and I will paraphrase

Nobody at the factory would listen to us.
The boat will be a flop.
We are the backbone to C-Dory.
If you don’t do it our way, we will not support you.
Don’t you know how to build a boat.
Listen to me!
NO! Listen to me, I am the important one.

It seems like there was another issue or two like this that also caused a tizzy.

Come on guys, give the factory a chance. They can not please everyone and from reading the post, I assume nobody has asked if they will offer the old style.

Are you willing to pay a little more for a boat built to your specifications? If so, I would ask if they will offer it. If they will not, then start your rant.

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Brats,

As I mentioned in my EARLIER POST the factory is producing the CD 25 with molded cabinets. Dee and I were at the factory on Friday, 12-29-06 and saw what I think is the first CD 25 with molded cabinets. (see my earlier post for observations on the new interior) I should have mentioned that both Dee and I had concerns about the changes in the cabinets which we expressed to the factory at that time.

David,

Please bring your handsome helm hubs to the SBS. We would like to have one of those beauties. :thup

Salutations and continued success for C-Dory and C-Brats,

Don
 
thanks for the photos, Oldgrowth. 'Looks to me like a guy could cut out and open up more room pretty easily in the gunwales if he'd a mind to.

I like the more finished look of the 22 cockpit, but that feeling of stability from standing on the actual bottom of the older models is quite addictive.

The all glass doors I like alot. On the TomCat, we have the bottom half covered in suctin cup hooks and holders. The stuff won't stick well to the interior fiberglass.

On the inside. Can't you just saw up the fiberglass cabinets the same as the wood ones?

The TomCat has the fixed forward dinette seat with removable, repositionable back, and there seems to be alot of room for that setup on the TomCat. Maybe that is what they are putting into the new 22's, but with less room. I like the space in front of that forward dinette and Brent and Dixie made a neat, removable stowage cabinet to fit there.


John
 
Nobody at the factory would listen to us.
The boat will be a flop.
We are the backbone to C-Dory.
If you don’t do it our way, we will not support you.
Don’t you know how to build a boat.
Listen to me!
NO! Listen to me, I am the important one.
Dave, is this truly how you took our comments? I for one made my comments to help a potential new buyer understand what had changed for the good and not so good.

Fred
 
Rob in TN":1aen2jh8 said:
Your review of the new CD22 interior is really bringing down my Sunday. I have been lusting after one for awhile now and even have my wife pretty much talked into it. Now I feel like I need to reconsider my choice of manufacturer.

I do appreciate you taking the time to write up your review though. Thanks.

Rob

Probably still some 2006 models left around!

Mike
 
Ok, I've tried to read all of this thread in a hurry so if I miss something here I apologize in advance.

First of all the factory does care about C-Dory owners and the changes to the interior of the CD22 have nothing to do with how they feel about them. Nothing.

In the C-Dory 22 they have an ageing desgin on their hands and they need to do things to broaden the appeal to a larger market; it's no longer about building a few boats a year to deliver on a mostly regional business. It's about being a national player in the boat business and trying to market a boat that works in many areas and appeals to a wide audience.

With the acceptance of the C-Dory 22 in many areas of the country and the sharp rise in demand a way had to be found to increase production to meet the demand without driving up the price; in short the boat had to get easier to build. Which actually works to the customer's benefit since the goal was to also get more consistency in the final product. Had they stayed with the old desgin they would have had to hire many more folks with the higher skill levels required to fit the old interior and cockpit. This would have lead to more problems and higher pricing. Instead they wanted to create a molded cockpit and interior that was consistent because it comes out of a mold, is easier to install with less problems, is more finished looking to appeal to more buyers, and offers easier to clean and maintain surfaces. They also depended on skilled cabinet folks to get the wooden parts out and install them; if they fell behind, went out ill, quit, or went on vacation this affected their ability to get boats completed. They have a lot of folks that can lay up the fiberglass in a mold. It also left a lot a lot of room for variation from one boat to the next in terms of fit and finish or even the way things were put together.

The demands of modern boat building do not allow C-Dory the luxury of staying with the wood interior unless every new customer is willing to pay the price for all that hand labor. If the wood iterior is so great why did the very people that developed that interior choose a molded interior when they developed a new boat?

It isn't fair to judge the final product from what folks have seen so far. It's true that the ergonomics on the first try didn't work out quite well on the dinette side but that issue was addressed almost immediately and changes are being worked on. My latest conversation pertaining to this with the factory was today. The end result should look and work much the same as the original interior. In fact, the goal is to have folks look at the new molded interior and get the impression that not much has really changed in the overall scheme of things.

I got one of the very first boats with a molded interior up here a few weeks ago. I think it looks fine, in fact there are many things I like about it better (for one the corners are open on the sink so you can clean up more easily). The fiberglass galley counter is many times more robust than the Decraguard material. Take a hammer to both and see which comes out better, take a knife and try the same thing. What I didn't like was the implementation of the dinette arrangement and I responded to the factory about it immediately. Within a couple of days someone was here going over it with us and making plans for the changes that are necessary. And they're being made because the factory is responsive.

I'll guarantee that if they get the dinette side of the cabin layout right (like the current wooden interior) with the molded interior that folks seeing the C-Dory 22 for the first time are going to like it a lot. And really, that's the goal. The factory doesn't survive on past sales, it survives on future sales. To expect them to do otherwise is selfish and self-serving. Personally I'd expect a loyal bunch of owners to be rooting them on and wishing them success rather than berating them for trying improve the boat. Especially when most already own a boat so the issue is really a moot point. It's not entirely clear to me how C-Dory making a change to a product to make it more appealing to more folks, to keep the price in check, and to increase quality is construed as disloyal and uncaring.

So someone new comes to the site here to learn about the C-Dory and they see all this belly-aching about how the factory is ruining the boat because they're making a change...and nobody has even seen it in its final form yet! Rather than turning off prospective buyers and C-Brats let them see the boat for themselves and decide whether or not it fits their needs. They're not seeing it as change to their beloved old boat; they're seeing it with a fresh perspective and they damn well might fall in love with it. Worse things could happen.
 
Anita Marie":2rodb8cy said:
Dave, is this truly how you took our comments? I for one made my comments to help a potential new buyer understand what had changed for the good and not so good.
Fred – I was not commenting on any one individual. I was commenting on the tone of the thread in general. The general tone of it was negative, because of the change to the interior of the boat. I think Les did a much better job of describing it than I did.

I remember when the R-25 came out last year. The tone of many threads and post were similar to this one. Now most think the R-25 is a great boat.

All I am trying to say is “give the factory a chance” before you trash them. By this, I don’t mean you personally or any one individual, but the C-Brat community as a whole.

A change that is good for one person may be bad for someone else and what is bad for one can be good for another person.

If I hurt anyone’s feelings with my previous post, I am sorry.

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