Jack in Alaska
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What effect does not using good judgment and not following navigation markers have on his insurance coverage???
Safety Lesson Close to Home
- Thread starter Pat Anderson
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Frodrick is new to FB, and I'm pretty sure he's not aware his pics require membership there to view.
Since he's such an easy going guy and swell pal, I know he won't mind that I moved a copy of his pics/descriptions to his C-Brat album.
Since he's such an easy going guy and swell pal, I know he won't mind that I moved a copy of his pics/descriptions to his C-Brat album.
Thanks Bill,
By the way, the fellow showing us around said the only time he's seen air pressure blow the cabin off the hull was with Bayliner boats that appear to be just pop riveted together. The hole in the hull was about 4"x10" and was from the port shaft strut driving up through the hull. Makes me think they were going pretty fast. Reminds me of the old tale: "for want of a nail..."
By the way, the fellow showing us around said the only time he's seen air pressure blow the cabin off the hull was with Bayliner boats that appear to be just pop riveted together. The hole in the hull was about 4"x10" and was from the port shaft strut driving up through the hull. Makes me think they were going pretty fast. Reminds me of the old tale: "for want of a nail..."
Hi,
I'm glad those people are ok and it's a shame what happened to all their property. It seems like a tough week for Bayliner's as another caught fire at the launch ramp out there. I'm not exactly sure about the exact sequence of events but if the lead boat launched his dink and saved those people in 6 foot plus seas after grounding himself; I'd say he's a real hero. It makes me wonder if someone who owned that size boat and and could not afford a fixed chart plotter, to get the radio fixed properly, or to get the fuel filter issue looked at by a professional, maybe he needed out of his boat. Do the insurance companies pay all of the salvage and oil clean up fees? Makes you wonder if the Coach purse got water damaged and was covered by the home owners policy. I wonder if this couple will ever buy another boat. That boat looked like it got run over a couple times by the sherrif nojustice.
D.D.
I'm glad those people are ok and it's a shame what happened to all their property. It seems like a tough week for Bayliner's as another caught fire at the launch ramp out there. I'm not exactly sure about the exact sequence of events but if the lead boat launched his dink and saved those people in 6 foot plus seas after grounding himself; I'd say he's a real hero. It makes me wonder if someone who owned that size boat and and could not afford a fixed chart plotter, to get the radio fixed properly, or to get the fuel filter issue looked at by a professional, maybe he needed out of his boat. Do the insurance companies pay all of the salvage and oil clean up fees? Makes you wonder if the Coach purse got water damaged and was covered by the home owners policy. I wonder if this couple will ever buy another boat. That boat looked like it got run over a couple times by the sherrif nojustice.
D.D.
Anita Marie
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Thanks, Bill. Totally get FB Phobia.
Actually, to be fair, Fred's not the one who commited the FB foo pah. This is Robbin, I've been posing as Fred on these posts. I wasn't able to get the photos to load last night on our slow Whidbey connection, so posed as Fred on Facebook and loaded them there. (Posing as Fred is easier than you might think. In fact, you'd be amazed how often people mistake me for Fred.)
Anyway, after I figured out how to reduce the image size, I was able to get them to load into the Anita Marie photo album. This has probably come up a million times on this site (I'm 28,882 posts behind on following the threads here) but if you happen to have a Hotmail account, an easy way to shrink images is to just mail them to yourself and specify a small size.
And now, back to Fred's regular programming.
Actually, to be fair, Fred's not the one who commited the FB foo pah. This is Robbin, I've been posing as Fred on these posts. I wasn't able to get the photos to load last night on our slow Whidbey connection, so posed as Fred on Facebook and loaded them there. (Posing as Fred is easier than you might think. In fact, you'd be amazed how often people mistake me for Fred.)
Anyway, after I figured out how to reduce the image size, I was able to get them to load into the Anita Marie photo album. This has probably come up a million times on this site (I'm 28,882 posts behind on following the threads here) but if you happen to have a Hotmail account, an easy way to shrink images is to just mail them to yourself and specify a small size.
And now, back to Fred's regular programming.
snoqualmiejoe
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First off, I'd like to say that I am the owner of the sunken Bayliner in Oak Harbor. I feel the need to address a few of the comments made here on the thread of our misfortune.
First the issue of the radio, navigation, and the engine problem. The radio issue was with a loose wire that we had fixed before leaving. The severe wave action had loosened it again. I agree that a second backup should have been in hand. We did have another working mounted radio in our lower helm, but we were both up top. The fuel problem had been addressed that morning as I had changed both fuel filters, bled the lines, and corrected the vacuum leak. The engines were performing excellently. A professional mechanic regularly performed in depth maintenance on our boat and in fact did so in May on all systems. As for navigation, while it might be prudent to use mounted GPS over laptop based charts, we had both running at the time. Our laptop had the latest version of high quality chart software installed.
Second we decided to take refuge in Oak Harbor as it was the closest alternate we had at the time. Visibility was almost impossible as we had spray coming over our upper helm and condensation building up on the inside of the eisenglass (sp). We had a high velocity fan working up top, but could not keep it stable. My wife was doing everything possible to try and wipe it down. My main concern was to try and keep a visual on my buddie's boat and also the wave action and try and take them the best and safest way. They were monsters. Unfortunately, I could pay little attention to either GPS no matter which one was up and active.
Last about the Coach purse comments, while you may think it was materialistic at first glance, it turned out to be a blessing as she saved my wallet and almost saved hers. And yes, my buddy in the first boat is a hero. As some of you have stated, lessons have been learned and will not be forgotten. Another boat is not on our radar right now. Maybe down the passage and it won't be another Bayliner.
Snoqualmie Joe
First the issue of the radio, navigation, and the engine problem. The radio issue was with a loose wire that we had fixed before leaving. The severe wave action had loosened it again. I agree that a second backup should have been in hand. We did have another working mounted radio in our lower helm, but we were both up top. The fuel problem had been addressed that morning as I had changed both fuel filters, bled the lines, and corrected the vacuum leak. The engines were performing excellently. A professional mechanic regularly performed in depth maintenance on our boat and in fact did so in May on all systems. As for navigation, while it might be prudent to use mounted GPS over laptop based charts, we had both running at the time. Our laptop had the latest version of high quality chart software installed.
Second we decided to take refuge in Oak Harbor as it was the closest alternate we had at the time. Visibility was almost impossible as we had spray coming over our upper helm and condensation building up on the inside of the eisenglass (sp). We had a high velocity fan working up top, but could not keep it stable. My wife was doing everything possible to try and wipe it down. My main concern was to try and keep a visual on my buddie's boat and also the wave action and try and take them the best and safest way. They were monsters. Unfortunately, I could pay little attention to either GPS no matter which one was up and active.
Last about the Coach purse comments, while you may think it was materialistic at first glance, it turned out to be a blessing as she saved my wallet and almost saved hers. And yes, my buddy in the first boat is a hero. As some of you have stated, lessons have been learned and will not be forgotten. Another boat is not on our radar right now. Maybe down the passage and it won't be another Bayliner.
Snoqualmie Joe
Snoqualmie Joe,
Thank you for sharing "the rest of the story". Fortunately, I've not been involved (nor have most likely the other folks on this site) in such an event as you and your wife experienced. Your adventure has certainly etched the "perils" of the potential conditions and channel markings of Saratoga Passage and the area near Oak Harbor in our minds. I'm certain that all the others on this site are so glad that you and your wife came out of this event unscathed physically.
Here is wishing you and your wife many future "uneventful" ventures on the water in the future!
Dave S.
Thank you for sharing "the rest of the story". Fortunately, I've not been involved (nor have most likely the other folks on this site) in such an event as you and your wife experienced. Your adventure has certainly etched the "perils" of the potential conditions and channel markings of Saratoga Passage and the area near Oak Harbor in our minds. I'm certain that all the others on this site are so glad that you and your wife came out of this event unscathed physically.
Here is wishing you and your wife many future "uneventful" ventures on the water in the future!
Dave S.
Matt Gurnsey
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snoqualmiejoe":n4g0oj45 said:
I don't see anything in the events that are the fault of the boat. Any boat that strikes rocks could be damaged in the exact same way.
Snoqualamie Joe,
Thanks so much for your post. Incidents such as yours can be a good learning experience for us all. I do have a question for you if you would be kind enough to answer,
In your blog you stated that
"We had lost our navagational charts as our laptop was thrown off it’s perch and I had directed Debbie to shut it down and get it secured to prevent it from becoming damaged. I was going to just rely on visual navigation from here."
However in your post here you state:
"As for navigation, while it might be prudent to use mounted GPS over laptop based charts, we had both (emphasis added) running at the time."
Hence, with the second GPS running, it's still hard to understand how you wound up on the rocks. Was it simply that you were so focused on following your friend that you didn't devote time to watching your second GPS? E.g. did you assume he knew what he was doing and simply follow him?
Thanks so much for your post. Incidents such as yours can be a good learning experience for us all. I do have a question for you if you would be kind enough to answer,
In your blog you stated that
"We had lost our navagational charts as our laptop was thrown off it’s perch and I had directed Debbie to shut it down and get it secured to prevent it from becoming damaged. I was going to just rely on visual navigation from here."
However in your post here you state:
"As for navigation, while it might be prudent to use mounted GPS over laptop based charts, we had both (emphasis added) running at the time."
Hence, with the second GPS running, it's still hard to understand how you wound up on the rocks. Was it simply that you were so focused on following your friend that you didn't devote time to watching your second GPS? E.g. did you assume he knew what he was doing and simply follow him?