ROVER IS LAUNCHED

barefoot

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Taking note of the C-Dory already named Meander, I changed the name of my 16 Cruiser to Rover, which a search showed is not taken. We are at last powered, afloat, and pretty well sorted. This note touches on topics from many forums. I gave up rewriting it to not sound negative, but the positives so outweigh the negatives that I may as well let it be.

First, I'm delighted with the boat. It's a great concept, cool look, ingenious layout, solid design, highly specified, and well-carried out. If anything happened to this one I'd get another without hesitation. Man, it even looks sharp. Neighbors pull in the driveway just to look it over and say how much they like it and what sense it makes in the Florida sun and rain. One remarked how big it is to be so small.

Alas, the dealer and I got off to a bad start. As we were about to close the sale, he said the boat was already started and would come by the 18th. It came the 31st --of the next month-- and with gear I had asked not be on it. He blamed both matters on the factory. Maybe, but I passed up buying anything else there besides the trailer, so he's unhappy with me, too. After paying him $100 to do the paperwork and waiting 37 days (Florida allows 30), I went to the tag office myself. Ever since closing the deal in March, I had looked forward to floating out in the lake to watch the July Fourth fireworks. Alas, try July 17, a day shy of three months.

The trailer is an aluminum Magic-Tilt (how come Magic-Tilts, don't?) where I wanted galvanized. It was also not the one on the bill of sale nor right one for the boat. It's two feet too long, too wide, and 2600# capacity --for 1300# of boat, motor, and gear? I moved the boat forward, pulled a leaf out of each spring, and let the tires down 10#, and now it doen't have the infernal perpetual jiggle I mentioned earlier. Also, my vehicle brakes seem OK after all. You do have to give them a definite poke and hold it for half a second, as with everything else the computer runs.

The quality control on my C-D was excellent. The only place of any concern was a 3 1/2" diameter, 1/16" deep weird place in the gel coat low on the bow centerline, including what looked like a crack. The dealer ignored my question about it and by then I just wanted to get away. The factory ignored my emails and I had it repaired at my expense. It was not serious after all and merely sanded and buffed out.

The local marina that installed the motor took a test run and pronounced the prop to be correct. (So much for the specified break-in period before wot.) It's a 10.4x13 where the C-D web site shows an 11.75x13, and the workmanship was... passable. They furnished only a tach, at my expense. I went with a Mercury 50 and it looks enormous, mounted 3" above the transom. It is exceptionally quiet, especially at low speed, but at full throttle is clearly screwed solidly to the hull, not in rubber motor mounts like in a car.

Oh, this table does have the cut corners, a blessing for a big guy tinkering inside a small boat. After hitting my head the first few hundred times, I noticed what may be part of the phenomenon of loud cabins and/or motors. The natural resonance of the cabin is about 55 cycles. (Say the word bunk). It's damped considerably by being in the water, so no, the resonance was not my head, well, not entirely.

My second-only surprise with the boat itself was that it is so tippy, but then it is just 6 1/2 feet wide, though flat-bottomed. My neighbor, another 230-pounder, went out to sit on the cockpit gunnel and I thought we were going over. Later he had to move back to the cabin before we could get on plane without the bow blocking my view forward, this with the motor trimmed all the way in. Othrwise, it held plane very nicely going a good bit slower, cornered without drama, and stayed admirably dry. It porpoised some at full speed, but I'll not run it that hard anyway. If I do a cabin battery, it may go way up in the bow.

Many, many thanks to those on this site who share their technical expertise and their enjoyment of the C-Dory. I've already used some of your hints, tossed in a couple myself, and expcet to read more and add more over time. Hooray for C-Dory and C-Brats.
 
Thanks for the report, sorry the factory ignored your emails...other than Jeff Messmer, who does email but is away at boat shows a bit, the best way to communicate with the factory seems to be by telephone.
 
Barefoot,

You should be looking at trim tabs next (if not on it), it will kill your porpoising and provide better slow speed performance with various loads. Nice description of the boat, thanks.
 
Great stuff.... and what I like about this forum and OUR site is that we can/will, and do put the good, the bad, and the ugly...along with the great, better...and oh wow stuff on here.

Where did you buy the boat?

Hope you can roll rover on over to the Gulf Coast Gathering in the Eastpoint FL area 20-22Oct06. This should be a great time and gathering for us to all gather, laugh, and have fun..

I loved my 16 Cruiser, and regretted many times over I sold her after buying a TomCat. So...I was FORCED to buy another smaller C-Dory to be able to single hand load, launch and travel... and got the 18 Angler.

I know exactly what you are talking about on the roll.....particuarly when at anchor... I went around (235#) the gunnel forward to pull the anchor on morning with air temp in the low 30s.... and wow... there was a I wonder feeling there... but...after several times ...got kinda use to it...and....yes, our passengers do need to be told...and once they are use to it...it aint no deal at all.

I may reccomend you at least think about getting a second prop for when running when loaded...or...might do some prop testing.. You should be able to plan out with no problem with 2 folks in the 235# range in the seats. That big ol cooler and 3rd person...well,,, I just put on a second prop for loaded conditions and loved it. One of the dolphin fins...or similar type gizmo's will help you out too...not only at the full throttle speeds...but overall handling control, and the slower speeds too. It just gives YOU the option...and control

Thanks for your post...and hope to meet and travel soon.

Byrdman
 
My first CD was a 89 - 16 Angler. It had a two stroke 55 Suzuki. I don't recall it being tippy at all. One of the things I was impressed by was the stability it had for such a small boat. I would often sit on the gunnel when trolling with out feeling it was listing very much at all. (I'm well north of 235! :oops: ) I had no trouble planing with up to four people aboard so maybe you will want to try a different prop.
Enjoy it. The 16 is a great boat.
Ron
 
Barefoot,
On re reading your post I see you have a Cruiser. Maybe the cruiser is more tippy because of the extra cabin and more weight higher up than my Angler. Or possibly the hull has been changed in the 17 years from the time mine was built until yours. I sure didn't think mine was tippy at all.
Ron
 
barefoot – When I got my 16, I was unhappy with the fact that the engine had to be trimmed all the way in and even then the bow rode high. I solved it by making a copy of the Permatrim hydrofoil for the engine. It does wonders for the boat and allows me to run 50% faster with the bow down, in all water conditions and get on plane at 7 to 8 knots.

I placed both batteries under the port seat. It helps balance the boat, as my wife is 40 lbs lighter than me.

My prop is a three blade 11.1 x 13 prop. I am always loaded heavy (around 2300 lbs) The prop seems to be just right for my conditions. WOT is 5500 rpm and 29 knots. I do have a 50 hp Honda on the boat.

I have photos of my boat projects in my photo album in the Boat Projects album.
 
I've noticed a tendency to be "tippy" when the load isn't properly distributed. With these boats its easy to load em' up. I think my 50 ETEC runs a 11.75x13.

I've gotten a few "that's the biggest little boat I've seen" around here too!!
 
I am not sure where your e-mails were directed. If your dealer is unable to help you are always welcome to e-mail me with questions or concerns. The delay in getting your boat probably was on our end. I apologize for that. I am happy to hear that you are enjoying your new C-Dory! You are getting some great advice from other 16 owners that will help you to maximize your enjoyment on the water.

Thank you for choosing C-Dory!

Jeff
 
What a kick to find so many responses already. I should add and clarify:

Pat, my emails were to Jeff, alas the last one a little testy, but then I didn't know he was away. Perhaps someone filling in for him....

The boat went on plane OK, but with my passenger in the cockpit, the bow came too high to see much. Dave, I saw your home made, er, hand crafted, hydrofoil. I have a suitable piece of aluminum and saved the dimensions. Stay tuned.

Byrdman, thanks for the invite to Eastpoint. From what I read here, would that I had bought the boat on the gulf coast.

Ron (on Meander!), maybe some of the tippyness not experienced by others is because, compared to earlier motors, this one is 2-4 cylendars taller, heavier, and mounted so high? Also both people aboard were tall, with their, uh, centers of gravity just below window sill level.

Thanks, everyone. More to follow, very likely all good.
 
And.....I find it really helps me to sit on a boat cusion when on the 18, did the same on the 16...so... I might just find a way for me (as a vertically challenge boater) to "raise" my helm seat :thup ... No big deal till I go on a longer trip and spend several hours at the helm.. But...I genearlly find some reason to go out back and check gravity... :beer :tea :beer :tea :mrgreen: , and often over the edge and in the water too.

Cheers!! And enjoy your boat....and the fix-n up too.

Byrdman
 
barefoot-

Name Game-

Know you wouldn't like "Aimless"!!!

How about "Wandering Star" (from "Paint Your Wagon")?

"Voyager"?

Same idea (sorta) "Serependipity" ?

etc. (Just teasing ya'!)

Joe.
 
More feedback, this about the prop. It turns out mine is what Mercury recommends for their 50hp 4-stroke, and what was on the C-D site was for a Honda 40. Anyway, it also tops out at 5400-5500. I consider getting a plastic prop, both because I expect to wind up using it for a depth gauge and because the pitch seems to be adjustable, as for various loads.

P.S. My last should have read that my motor is 1-2 cylinders taller than some others, not 2-4 cylendars. My mental SpellChek missed both parts of that.
 
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