I was wondering why the C Dory manufacturer never changed the power rating on the 16 Cruiser. From what I have read the vessel easily calculates into the 60 hp range per the Coast Guard calculation table. And with some manufacturers, there isn't much weight difference between a 50 and a 60.
Recommended power 16 Cruiser
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Matt Gurnsey
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The boat is rated for 55, so a 60 would probably be okay.
I mean, I won't tell if you don't. 8)
I mean, I won't tell if you don't. 8)
Depending on where you are boating, and the associated chop/sea state, the 50 will push you along more than adequately. I rarely, if ever, open up my 50 to full throttle, it would beat the boat to death except in glassy water. Granted, I am usually out alone, and maybe with more people and more weight I would be singing a different song, but even so, I think the 50 is very adequate.
LOL @ Matt's response! :lol:
But unfortunately I go by the book so since the factory sticker says 55Hp I won't cross that threshold. I want to put twin 30's on the boat so bad I can taste it!
There is not rhyme or reason to that statement, I just want to do it bad! Macho, Ego, whatever you want to call it! I just think it will look awesome and function well on the 16 Cruiser. I know there are way more Con's than there are Pro's
,but I can't drive the thought out of my head! 
I am sure there is Medication for this! :crook
But unfortunately I go by the book so since the factory sticker says 55Hp I won't cross that threshold. I want to put twin 30's on the boat so bad I can taste it!
There is not rhyme or reason to that statement, I just want to do it bad! Macho, Ego, whatever you want to call it! I just think it will look awesome and function well on the 16 Cruiser. I know there are way more Con's than there are Pro's
,but I can't drive the thought out of my head! I am sure there is Medication for this! :crook
As has often been noted, the 16 cruiser is "stern heavy" compared to the well balanced angler. Adding two 30's will just add to that problem. You could compensate for it a bit I suppose by moving the batteries and even the gas tanks forward, and of course, adding two Permatrim(s). Too much "downside" for me.
Already moved the battery under the passengers seat (just didn't like it aft). Installed a second with A B switch and isolator (duel onboard charger pending).
I expressed the concept to the Boss (Wife, Admiral, First Mate, etc. :wink: ) and this weekend, after cruising around Back Bay Biloxi, she starts telling me "we need twin 30's on the back! More than a guy can take! The Boss give the "Green Light", You have been driving yourself nuts about the concept, and all of a sudden the "Practical you steps into focus"! (I sometimes hate it when that happens).
So for now, I will express that "I am still exploring with great vigor". But first things first, I want a floating dock in the bask yard. I love the quick access with the 16 floating at our dock, but I hate the scumline, and really do not want to bottom paint. Late winter/early spring is the timeline for that project.
Back to twins! I am even considering 2 stroke to reduce weight and keep the poundage below current weight. I did a lot of research on noise levels and the sound issue is mostly one of pitch and not decibels. 2's are higher pitch and 4's are lower. Lower pitch noises are more comfortable to the human ears and therefore are perceived as quieter than high pitch even at the same decibel levels. But 4's are slightly less in the true decibel range when compared side by side. There will be a cost to fuel consumption and range. With all of the weight values plugged in I will function well here on the MS Gulf Coast with 2 stokes, since I already have twin 12 gallon tanks under the transom. Twin 2 stroke 25's (or 30's), and 2 - 12 gallon tanks come very close to the weight of my Honda BF 4 stroke 50 and twin 6 gallon tanks. The data is driving me crazy and each facet is arguable, as well as a potential C Brat Topic of it's own!
Back to collecting data and justifying my actions. Total cost of Twins, Hydraulic Steering, and Duel Binnacle Set-Up probably will be the deal killer. But it won't stop the research. (My Brain Hurts!)
Lastly Hydrofoils are a must on any outboard vessel I have ever owned!
I expressed the concept to the Boss (Wife, Admiral, First Mate, etc. :wink: ) and this weekend, after cruising around Back Bay Biloxi, she starts telling me "we need twin 30's on the back! More than a guy can take! The Boss give the "Green Light", You have been driving yourself nuts about the concept, and all of a sudden the "Practical you steps into focus"! (I sometimes hate it when that happens).
So for now, I will express that "I am still exploring with great vigor". But first things first, I want a floating dock in the bask yard. I love the quick access with the 16 floating at our dock, but I hate the scumline, and really do not want to bottom paint. Late winter/early spring is the timeline for that project.
Back to twins! I am even considering 2 stroke to reduce weight and keep the poundage below current weight. I did a lot of research on noise levels and the sound issue is mostly one of pitch and not decibels. 2's are higher pitch and 4's are lower. Lower pitch noises are more comfortable to the human ears and therefore are perceived as quieter than high pitch even at the same decibel levels. But 4's are slightly less in the true decibel range when compared side by side. There will be a cost to fuel consumption and range. With all of the weight values plugged in I will function well here on the MS Gulf Coast with 2 stokes, since I already have twin 12 gallon tanks under the transom. Twin 2 stroke 25's (or 30's), and 2 - 12 gallon tanks come very close to the weight of my Honda BF 4 stroke 50 and twin 6 gallon tanks. The data is driving me crazy and each facet is arguable, as well as a potential C Brat Topic of it's own!
Back to collecting data and justifying my actions. Total cost of Twins, Hydraulic Steering, and Duel Binnacle Set-Up probably will be the deal killer. But it won't stop the research. (My Brain Hurts!)
Lastly Hydrofoils are a must on any outboard vessel I have ever owned!
Matt Gurnsey
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Twin E-Tec 30's will weigh about 350 pounds for the pair. The new Suzuki 60 weighs 229.
A pair of the old Yamaha 25's would come in at arond 230 pounds. The trick will be finding a pair of 30 two strokes of the older vintage.
When repowering, we use a 10% rule. 55 plus 10% is 60.5, so the sixty should be fine.
But-
Twin 30's would look pretty cool. 8)
A pair of the old Yamaha 25's would come in at arond 230 pounds. The trick will be finding a pair of 30 two strokes of the older vintage.
When repowering, we use a 10% rule. 55 plus 10% is 60.5, so the sixty should be fine.
But-
Twin 30's would look pretty cool. 8)
sweet pea-
1. Get a lift to get the boat out of the water and you won't have to bottom paint it. (I know, more money!)
2. Make an agreement with yourself to go ahead and explore the twin option throughly, but also to give it time to sink in, and get over the obsession-compulsion stage before you act, say 3-6 months.
Then ask yourself if it's still a good idea, and it would have made any real difference to have the twins in what you were able to do, and if it would have been worth the $$$!!!
Joe. :teeth :thup
1. Get a lift to get the boat out of the water and you won't have to bottom paint it. (I know, more money!)
2. Make an agreement with yourself to go ahead and explore the twin option throughly, but also to give it time to sink in, and get over the obsession-compulsion stage before you act, say 3-6 months.
Then ask yourself if it's still a good idea, and it would have made any real difference to have the twins in what you were able to do, and if it would have been worth the $$$!!!
Joe. :teeth :thup
Sea Wolf, you pretty much described the plan that I have. Explore, Drool a little, and see if the fascination goes away. Along with clear level head thinking, but it's me we are talking about!
As for the lift, I am getting a drive on dock to place parallel to my existing dock. Down here in Hurricane country any elevated structure is waiting to get eaten. So I am thinking I can replace the float on dock 2 or 3 time for the price of a lift (insurance will not cover either structure). In fact if I had one during Katrina, the lift would have been toast. Even though the house did not get any damage from rising water. As Maxwell Smart use to say "Missed it by that Much" (3 inches to be exact). The elevation of my floor is 19' 6" above sea level. The roof of a covered lift would be 16', and the electrical and mechanicals of the lift would have been trashed by salt water.
Matt, I agree, two slightly older 25's or 30's (2 stroke) come in around 115-120 lbs each. Personally I always believed if you can't decide what to do, then DO NOTHING (as long as life, limb, or finances aren't involved). So I will continue to explore, examine, evaluate, and drool over twins all the time really doing nothing until repowering is required. At least I will not be making a hasty discission when that time does come.
Brian, I am all over the stern weight factors. Currently adjusting, relocating, and modifying to meet my satisfaction with the Honda BF 50 I have now. The stern weight is the primary issue to me and the main factor in exploring the possibilities. Never was one for a kicker and it really isn't a common sight at all here in the MS Gulf Coast. Think I would adapt a bow mounted trolling motor before a kicker.
As for the lift, I am getting a drive on dock to place parallel to my existing dock. Down here in Hurricane country any elevated structure is waiting to get eaten. So I am thinking I can replace the float on dock 2 or 3 time for the price of a lift (insurance will not cover either structure). In fact if I had one during Katrina, the lift would have been toast. Even though the house did not get any damage from rising water. As Maxwell Smart use to say "Missed it by that Much" (3 inches to be exact). The elevation of my floor is 19' 6" above sea level. The roof of a covered lift would be 16', and the electrical and mechanicals of the lift would have been trashed by salt water.
Matt, I agree, two slightly older 25's or 30's (2 stroke) come in around 115-120 lbs each. Personally I always believed if you can't decide what to do, then DO NOTHING (as long as life, limb, or finances aren't involved). So I will continue to explore, examine, evaluate, and drool over twins all the time really doing nothing until repowering is required. At least I will not be making a hasty discission when that time does come.
Brian, I am all over the stern weight factors. Currently adjusting, relocating, and modifying to meet my satisfaction with the Honda BF 50 I have now. The stern weight is the primary issue to me and the main factor in exploring the possibilities. Never was one for a kicker and it really isn't a common sight at all here in the MS Gulf Coast. Think I would adapt a bow mounted trolling motor before a kicker.
Sweet Pea-
Do you need the twins reliability or just the look of twins?
Would you be satisfied with just the LOOK OF TWINS?
If so, just keep the Honda BF-50, and get two plastic mock-ups of two more BF-50 from a dealer and mount them on either side of the existing motor!
TRIPLE 50'S ON A CD-16!!!
VAROOM!!!:lol:
Joe. :teeth :thup
Do you need the twins reliability or just the look of twins?
Would you be satisfied with just the LOOK OF TWINS?
If so, just keep the Honda BF-50, and get two plastic mock-ups of two more BF-50 from a dealer and mount them on either side of the existing motor!
TRIPLE 50'S ON A CD-16!!!
VAROOM!!!:lol:
Joe. :teeth :thup
LOL !!! :lol:
That would be a sight to see!
(Anyone good at Photo Shop?)
But really, the whole twin thing has to do with running out to some of the rigs and well heads chasing a few Snapper and Amber Jacks (locally called the Close in Rigs). Like to be self sufficient and a kicker really would not get it with our shorter wave lengthed water we have around here. Sea Tow is in my back pocket, but I want to be able to limp out of harms way effectively if and when that time comes. I know "get a bigger boat" is an option (been there done that multiple times), but not for 6-8 rig trips per year. I probably would be researching twins if I had started with a 19 or a 22.
That would be a sight to see!
(Anyone good at Photo Shop?)
But really, the whole twin thing has to do with running out to some of the rigs and well heads chasing a few Snapper and Amber Jacks (locally called the Close in Rigs). Like to be self sufficient and a kicker really would not get it with our shorter wave lengthed water we have around here. Sea Tow is in my back pocket, but I want to be able to limp out of harms way effectively if and when that time comes. I know "get a bigger boat" is an option (been there done that multiple times), but not for 6-8 rig trips per year. I probably would be researching twins if I had started with a 19 or a 22.
turtleblues
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My 16 Angler came with a 2007 Yamaha 60hp. I have not been on another 16 but I can top out just over 30 mph in flat water. I do not have trim tabs and adjust just with the motor and come on plane quickly. I have never felt like I was overpowered or have too much weight on the backend (okay maybe on my backend, but not the boats).
I carry two batteries and 19 gallons of fuel, all stuffed in the back. Maybe because the Angler is more weight forward, but I love the way the boat tracks and rides.
I carry two batteries and 19 gallons of fuel, all stuffed in the back. Maybe because the Angler is more weight forward, but I love the way the boat tracks and rides.
turtleblues
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BTW I also hang a 8 hp kicker next to the 60 hp.
How many RPM's are you turning? What pitch prop? Aluminum, Composite, Stainless Steel?
My 16 cruiser is running top speed 27 mph (confirmed by 2 GPS systems on board) with the 98 Honda BF 50 with hydrofoil, 2 batteries, 24 gallons of fuel, 48 quart ice chest (1/4 full), case of water, 2 anchors, small tool box, modest size tackle box, and the wife and myself. I really have no complaint, this is just a desire to pursue and obviously not very practical.
Who knows? I might finish exploring this to it's fullest and decide to regress to my Cajun roots! 80 +/- lb thrust wireless trolling motor on the bow and a hydraulic jack plate on the Honda at the transom. With 7" of draft I can chase some Reds and Specks in the Mississippi and Louisiana Marshes using the bow as a casting platform, or get a Real Tree marsh camo cover for the entire vessel and have one top notch Duck Blind! I do love playing all the sports you can play in the skinny water we have down here!
Someone help me! :cry
LOL !!! :lol:
My 16 cruiser is running top speed 27 mph (confirmed by 2 GPS systems on board) with the 98 Honda BF 50 with hydrofoil, 2 batteries, 24 gallons of fuel, 48 quart ice chest (1/4 full), case of water, 2 anchors, small tool box, modest size tackle box, and the wife and myself. I really have no complaint, this is just a desire to pursue and obviously not very practical.
Who knows? I might finish exploring this to it's fullest and decide to regress to my Cajun roots! 80 +/- lb thrust wireless trolling motor on the bow and a hydraulic jack plate on the Honda at the transom. With 7" of draft I can chase some Reds and Specks in the Mississippi and Louisiana Marshes using the bow as a casting platform, or get a Real Tree marsh camo cover for the entire vessel and have one top notch Duck Blind! I do love playing all the sports you can play in the skinny water we have down here!
Someone help me! :cry
LOL !!! :lol:
Hurry, Ed's Marine has some 25 Yamaha 2 strokes left at 2,900 each
Long shaft (on the smaller OB's short is 15", long is 20") 20" is what you need for your boat.
Electric start.
Remote steering and shifting, not tiller.
About 110lbs each.
You will be the envy of the C-Brats
Tex.
Long shaft (on the smaller OB's short is 15", long is 20") 20" is what you need for your boat.
Electric start.
Remote steering and shifting, not tiller.
About 110lbs each.
You will be the envy of the C-Brats
Tex.
Sounds Great! And when I finish exploring all the angles I might call to see if the offer is still available! (But I know if you snooze, you lose) Right now I am still in the exploration phase taking in all of the valued opinions from this site. Trying not to jump at an idea that will either hurt me or not meet my expectations. But I do love the idea and concept and will continue to explore all of the angles until I do make up my mind.
Right now I know what I have. And on paper, with the stats, it appears there will be no negatives from power, top speed, and control will actually have a benefit as well. It is all about timing and doing the home work before the urgent need arises. Next phase will be to get opinions from those in the 19' and 22' vessels with twins to give me their thought on the matter. Would they do it again? What would they have installed on a new C Dory with a blank transom? If your reading this and you are in that group with twins, please chime in! I would like to hear your views. I might need to start a new topic to attract attention from the twin crowd of the 19's and 22's.
Thanks for the heads up and the offer!
Charles
Right now I know what I have. And on paper, with the stats, it appears there will be no negatives from power, top speed, and control will actually have a benefit as well. It is all about timing and doing the home work before the urgent need arises. Next phase will be to get opinions from those in the 19' and 22' vessels with twins to give me their thought on the matter. Would they do it again? What would they have installed on a new C Dory with a blank transom? If your reading this and you are in that group with twins, please chime in! I would like to hear your views. I might need to start a new topic to attract attention from the twin crowd of the 19's and 22's.
Thanks for the heads up and the offer!
Charles
turtleblues
New member
Roughly 4700 - 4800 rpm with aluminum prop. Don't remember the pitch.
I weigh around 210 lb. have most of the stuff you mention.
I weigh around 210 lb. have most of the stuff you mention.