RADAR reflectors

Actually the way a radar works is pretty simple. It sends a beam of energy out, some of that energy is reflected back, and the time of flight is measured and there you have it, distance. Implementing that is complicated, though.

Well, a radar transmits RF energy from its antenna, which is designed to aim that energy in as tight a beam as possible. That is the only energy the radar has to work with. The only energy the receiver will see is that which is transmitted from that radar and reflected back via some conducting target, (typical boat radar, I don't speak for the whole DoD world.) Think of a mirror reflecting a flashlight beam.

This electric field energy is measured like the surface of an expanding bubble, in watts/sq. cm. And this bubble surface keeps expanding as the distance increases, which means the watts/sq. cm decreases as the square of the distance increases, because we're dealing with the bubble surface, not the radius.

Now as the electric field travels away from the radar antenna, objects get in its way and if it's a conducting surface reflects the energy equal to its surface perpendicular to the travel of the radar pulse electric field. This is the MAXIMUM it can reflect. That's the total signal the radar receiver gets back at its antenna. Of course, the return energy has some expanding surface, but to provide an upper bound, let's say all the reflected energy gets back to the radar.


For a perfect 1 sq. ft. reflector, that reflected energy is the total energy that hits the target and is reflected. It's in the microwatt range, and I'm impressed how well radar works.

So, whatever the type of reflector, it can't catch and reflect the radar's transmitted power outside of it's cross-sectional area. So if its maximum dimension is a 1' diameter, it can't reflect the same power as an object with 2 or 3 sq. ft. of area. It's physically impossible.

And, yes corner reflectors can turn a signal around. That's because the angle of the two reflecting surfaces always equal 180 deg. And the energy ALWAYS has to be reflected 180 deg, cause that's where the radar is. But it can't reflect energy that's outside it's projected cross-section. And If you turn a iron sheet edge on to the radar, it will not reflect any signal back. I feel that a large iron ship will reflect more that 1 sq. ft. worth of energy, is all I'm saying.

So, I don't know how a small reflector can reflect as much energy as something much bigger, unless the bigger thing is turned sideways. And that can always happen, but I don't think it's relevant to this discussion. All we're trying to do is set an UPPER bound on the reflected energy.

As far as transponders go, they create their own energy and thus amplify the radar's signal. One can find that on sea bouys, which actually provide their location and name. I'm not aware of any in my price range, but they do have them for aircraft.

Sea clutter is reflected energy from the ocean surface, and is treated as noise. Modern radars try to filter it out, based on it's random properties. But I agree it's noise, and the target signal need to be picked out from that. However, it has nothing to do with the amount of energy a reflector reflects.

Again, I wouldn't count on a small radar reflector letting that tanker or ferry being able to see you in the sea clutter, and then avoid you. A Furuno 1623 LCD Radar is 1300 bucks, let's you see the danger and take corrective action. If you operate in fog or at night, it's the best saftey device you can have. Oh, that and your depth sounder.

That's all, Folks

Boris
 
As I said before, while the basic theory is fairly simple, the details are complex. Radar reflections are measured by RCS which is an equivalent reflection from a conductive sphere of a certain cross-sectional area. So to say something has an RCS of 5 square metres doesn't mean it reflects as much energy as a flat plate of that area facing the radar transmitter. But a sphere would be a very approximate equivalent of a real world object with all its angled surfaces. So when we say that a reflector has an RCS of 5 sqm it is approximately the same as the average reflection from a metal boat about 5 metres long by 1 metre high.

Of course the reflection from the boat will vary widely depending on its attitude, just like that of the radar reflector. So the number gives us a false sense of exactitude because the signal will vary by very large amounts in both cases (as shown even in several of the test reports found on the Internet which were done in test chambers rather than at sea).

The reason I mention sea clutter is not because it affects the returning signal but it provides a background from which our reflector's signal must be differentiated. Sea clutter will vary depending on sea state, angle of wave faces at various distances from the radar unit, etc and is going to be staccato. Hopefully our boat or reflector will provide a more consistent signal so that the radar processor and the operator can distinguish it.

The reason I say that radar reflections are complex (despite the simple theory you outlined) is that there are many diffraction effects caused by corners, hidden parts of the target and target materials that complicate things. I think the article in Wikipedia about radar cross section mentions some of them.

Nothing in the real world seems to comply with simple mathematical models, so your intuitive assessment is probably just as useful.
 
I certainly agree with Boris, that a radar on your vessel beats any passive reflector. Of course we now have AIS, and that is probably one of the best safety features which has come along in quite some time.

I am curious as to what Radar Transponder Tom has. Active Echo is one commercially available, ACR and Weems Plath both have emergency transponders designed for SAR and lifeboats.

The Lense type of radar reflectors, do better than the 90 degree spherical or square aluminum reflectors. Either of these, is susposed to assure that the radar energy comes back at maximum intensity from the reflector. Even a steel ship may not bounce radar microwaves back at max intensity, because the ship is not perpendicular to the beam.

We often asked ships how far away they could see us. The vessel was 62 feet LOA, and afiberglass hull, with two wooden masts, and round rigging--not a lot of metal which would be reflective above the water. The engine and water tanks were below the water line. There was some metal--such as stoves, refigeration plates and batteries which were above the water line. However, the radar signal was definately enhanced by one of the lense reflectors--which was up in the rigging (in that case about 40 feet above the water. Ships with good radar would regularly see us at a range of 13 miles--far more than just what would have been seen for the hull alone.

Last summer when we were crossing San Francisco bay, I kicked the Radar on to see if I could track the other C Dories. We were farily close, but I could see all of the boats (no reflectors) fairly easily. There is thread about seeing lobster pots on radar (calm water) on recreational boats on The hull truth. Most radar operators claim that they can see 5" lobster pots, and birds.
 
journey on":2ff885tp said:
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So, I don't know how a small reflector can reflect as much energy as something much bigger, unless the bigger thing is turned sideways<emphasis added>. And that can always happen, but I don't think it's relevant to this discussion. All we're trying to do is set an UPPER bound on the reflected energy.
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Boris
It doesn't need to be turned sideways, it just needs to be turned at a slightly oblique angle. For any given vessel, a very small fraction of the reflective surface area is perpendicular to an incoming beam and hence only a very small fraction gets reflected back to the receiver. The advantage of the corner cube is that a large percentage of the incoming beam that hits the cube gets reflected back. Hence, in practice, the corner cube radar reflector has a return that is larger than an much larger mis-oriented reflective surface. As they say, in theory, theory and practice are the same but in practice, they differ.
 
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HOW TO MINIMIZE YOUR RADAR SIGNATURE TO OTHER BOATERS...

We encountered this Navy Stealth Research Vessel on the Alameda Naval Air Station nook of S.F. Bay in 1993 while practicing racing sailing techniques.

This was one of the first days they had taken the stealth boat out on the bay. Before that, it had been tested in a test chamber / closed in building over in Redwood City.

One look and we knew it was a stealth boat, looking much like the F-117A stealth fighter, or a Star Wars movie prop.

It illustrates many of the points made in the discussion in the posts above.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
journey on":1oi4ih4e said:
.... So if its maximum dimension is a 1' diameter, it can't reflect the same power as an object with 2 or 3 sq. ft. of area. It's physically impossible.

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Perhaps I'm missing this from another part of your post but of course the reflectivity of the material is what makes the difference. A navigation buoy for example returns a much stronger and larger signal than a 19' fiberglass boat, even though the physical size of the buoy is much smaller than that of the boat.

I have been amazed at how small a return some fiberglass boats provide, even 30' boats.
 
I question of application comes to mind...

Could we take AL duct tape and cut it to the 'S' and 'X' band radar wave
lengths and set a design within the cabin's inside walls for it to act as
[mulitple] dipoles?

In theory it seems that it should work; especially, if you had a shower
within the cabin to apply the tape to [for cosmetic purposes] .

Art
 
There would be no correlation with reflection of radar microwaves and cut lengths of foil--they wold make a good receiver antenna, but not a reflector.

If you lined the boat with foil--it still might not be as good a reflector as a multi faceted true 90 degree ball--where all microwaves which hit the reflector, are sent back to the scanner antenna.

Often when you get echos off fiberglass boats, it is flat pieces of metal in the boat--engine block, tanks, stoves etc.
 
Hmmm, they could either use a little editorial checking on their endorsements, or there's a new radar brand on the market:

"The RADAR FLAG signal was recognizable 360º at full circle from 4 miles by my Fuerno." — Capt. Brad Mutcher, 'The Getaway', Pompano Beach, Florida

I interviewed a job applicant once whose resume claimed he was a member of "Phi Betta Kappa." These kinds of things always make ya wonder.
 
Nick is right about Practical Sailor having tested the Radar Flag and found it to be ineffective.

For a lot of useful technical discussion about radar reflectors, check out http://www.theradarreflectorsite.org/ The guy who does the site has an appropriate technical background and writes for a number of publications on the subject. Of note is that after looking at all sorts of reflectors and doing a very intensive technical analysis, he followed Matt's recommendation and selected a Tri Lens for his own boat.

I have had a Tri lens on several boats and once I install my arch on the CD22, there will be a Tri Lens on it as I boat a lot in inclement weather and at night. I want to be seen but I also agree completely with the idea that a well tuned radar is an especially good tool for understanding what is out there with you. When in doubt, a 90 degree turn will keep you away from approaching trouble and will be immediately visible to other observers using radar. Small degree turns may not get noticed.
 
Some of the U.S. Navy cruisers and destroyers are quite a bit more radar stealthy than one might expect, given their relatively large sizes. See:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship ... bandit.htm

and:

http://www.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y200 ... 04757N.pdf

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9243 - OUTLAW BANDIT is a ship signature reduction program, applying radar absorbent material (RAM) to selected areas of a ship's equipment, superstructure, and weapons systems. Passive Counter Measures System (PCMS) enhances ship survivability when used in conjunction with AN/SLQ-32 AND Decoys.

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Regards,
 
A comprehensive study of marine radar reflectors was published by the UK Marine Accident Investigation Board:

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources/Ra ... report.pdf

This seems to be very scientific and well documented. One has to consider how much roll and heel that the C Dory will have. When running at speed, it is unusual to have more than 15 degrees roll to ether side. A sailboat may go to 25 degrees regularly.
 
Just for ducks, here is a radar reflector test, done by SRI Inc., with radar reflectors donated by West Marine, for US Sailing. That is, done by people who understand radar, with radar reflectors that are available, for a sailing orginization. I leave it to you to make your conclusions.

US Sailing Radar Tests

Boris
 
Boris,

That report came out in 1995. I think there is a more recent "indpendent" report that includes other technologies such as the Tri-lens. Now if my memory wasn't so bad I would find it... :idea:

Merv
 
journey on":1a8egq43 said:
Just for ducks, here is a radar reflector test, done by SRI Inc., with radar reflectors donated by West Marine, for US Sailing. That is, done by people who understand radar, with radar reflectors that are available, for a sailing orginization. I leave it to you to make your conclusions.

US Sailing Radar Tests

Boris

Thanks, for the test info Boris. Even if it is dated info, for the price and effectiveness it is still hard to beat the Davis Echomaster in my opinion. We purchased the Davis Echomaster just before our 2007 Alaska cruise and at that time my research couldn't come up with a better one for the price. Here's a photo of it mounted to the cabin top hand rail. Very easy to take off and on.

PICT0082.sized.jpg

Jay
 
Here's the report that evaluates a Tri-Lens, as well as an active reflector, the Sea-Me. The only reflector which met ISO standard ISO8729 was the Sea-Me. Again, as was stated in the SRI report, the best defense is an active one: Use your own radar>

British Radar Investigation

By the way, radar hasn't changed much since 1995. A passive reflector still is not as good as the cheapest radar ON YOUR BOAT.

Boris
 
Thanks Boris,

That's the one I was looking for.
I agree the laws of physics have remained basically the same for centuries but Engineering finds ways to improve the ways in which we can use them. If not then, even from 1990's you would still be using Loran.
Bottom line when we are talking of boats our size is "Might is right" and we need to keep out of the way of the big guys, not the opposite. That's why I like AIS on top of radar.

Merv
 
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