Questions about CD 16

westward

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Greetings. We just delivered our 22 Angler to a delightful couple last Saturday. I'll let them introduce themselves to this forum at their leisure, and I know you'll really like them! So now I'm boatless and our remodel will likely keep us out of anything bigger for a while. I'm thinking about picking up a used CD16 as a stopgap. I'm really intrigued by the Angler bulkhead modification some are now doing. Couple of questions: how does the 16 ride and handle chop as compared to the 22? Would anyone care to describe the general seakeeping qualities of the 16? Is it quicker/nimbler than the 22, allowing you to "run the troughs" in 2-3' seas, or do you really want to avoid such seas? Is the lighter weight mitigated by the smaller footprint with respect to pounding in chop/wakes? Does that step in the floor transition between the cockpit and helm area keep the helm area dry when it rains? Anyone out there regularly run with more than 2 adults on board? Any and all input would be appreciated. I really thought I would be content without a C-Dory for longer than this; this C-Dory thing is on the order of an addiction. Thanks, Mike.
 
I have a 25 and a 16 and I have had a 22. In my opinion the smaller the boat the easier it is to launch and retrieve. I can slide the 16 in and out in half the time it takes with the 25. That being said, the 16 obviously has half the room and comforts of the larger boat. On handling in seas. I have had the 16 in 2-3 ft seas. I think because of its shorter length it may get "tossed" around a little more, but I expect that as you decrease in size in most boat, but like them you still have to slow down in heavy seas or you will get beat to death. It is more nimble than its longer larger sister boats. The 1 1/2 +- raised floor in the cabin area does keep out any water that may collect from rain or overspray. When you are under power the bow up attitude drains any that has accumulated back to the transom and bilge pump.
I am not sure when the 16 started being made with the open bulkhead and easier access to the bow area, but it is relatively easy to cut out the left 2/3s and have that area much more accessible.
I have taken out 3 adults for a short trip. It is crowded and number three must sit on a folding chair or something like that. It really is a boat for two for any length of time on the water.
 
I wouldn't argue with what David said - we have been in some pretty heavy water in our CD16, and did just fine (not necessarily comfortable in the largest seas but safe). I would say more like a quarter of the room compared to the CD25 but it is MILES ahead of no boat! The CD16 is easy to launch and retrieve, nimble handling in the water, economical and just over-all cool! We love ours.
 
From what I have been able to gather, the 16 is extremely sensitive to weight distribution fore/aft. You might want to explore that aspect of the boat.

Warren
 
Ditto to what everyone has said so far.

We've had our 16' Cruiser for over a year now and just love it. It can definitely take more than the crew in chop, swells or waves. The Angler seating is closer to the bow than on the Cruiser. As such, I try to put as much weight forward & centered on the bow to keep the boat balanced and on plane faster. Our boat is loaded, so we do pay attention to weight distribution.

Some of the limitations we've found with the 16' Cruiser are the range, and amenities. The boat is comfortable with two people aboard. I'd recommend looking at the 19' Angler to carry three or more folks.

We've never overnighted on our 16' and our furthest day trip from Juneau has been about 25nm. Its a great day cruiser, easy to launch & recover, extremely easy to park in tight spaces. We've logged over 60 hours and 585 nm this summer which is incredible considering all the rainy days we've had.

The wife & I are looking for a 22' or 25' Cruiser, but not in any hurry. The 16' gets us to some of the most beautiful spots in SE Alaska.
 
That is far more true of the Cruiser than the Angler. Take a look at the difference in the placement of the helm and you will see why. There is no issue on the Angler, it is mainly a Cruiser issue. The Cruiser folks all uniformly swear by Permatrim to get the bow down, which is not necessary on the Angler.

Doryman":1alob8f0 said:
From what I have been able to gather, the 16 is extremely sensitive to weight distribution fore/aft. You might want to explore that aspect of the boat.

Warren
 
From my experience with a 16 Angler the biggest drawback is the lack of positive control of the boat in short steep waves.
 
Mike,

If I remember correctly you have a place on Decatur...no? Would you use the 16 to go back and forth from Anacortes? Or would you keep it on Decatur and take the Paraclete or Island Express across? Good luck with the remodel and potential C-Dory purchase.
 
Dotty and I went from a 22 to the 16. At first the weight distribution,both fore and aft and port to starboard, if not a problem, was admittedly an attention getter.The two of us together exceed 400 lbs. I remember the first time getting in at the Coulon Park ramp, I was reminded of getting in our 18 foot aluminum canoe. Over time we have remedied the weight problem by moving the kicker to the port side and strategic placement of the gas cans, batteries, anchor, and misc. items. Frankly, we no longer even think about it.
We have been out with a third person, our 100lb. daughter, several times and find that the cruiser configuration provides adequate space for her to sit at the table facing aft Some arrangement of cushions should be made for
a back rest. The open cutty configuration gives the feel of space even larger than it actually is. One soon becomes accustomed to the helm set back and as noted the Permatirm keeps the bow down and more importantly stabilizes the ride equal, in my opinion, to that of the 22. Even lacking a threshold, I have never had water collect on the deck of the cabin. I have spent two nights alone on the bunk in the cutty. It was cramped and reminded me of a rack I occupied on an LST when my waist was about 10 inches smaller.
As I have noted in previous posts, the 16 footer is ideal for us, but we are basically day cruisers. Within that limitation, I would go anywhere with it that I would go with the 22 footer. It's inexpensive to buy and maintain, easy to tow, launch and retrieve, more fun to operate than larger models, built like a brick......., and admired by all who see her.
 
One additional convenience item. Here is a picture of the C-Fle just posted
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My boat, a 2004, is exactly the same except for the side windows. Please note that in the picture it is the front half of the side windows that open. On my boat, also a cruiser with the set-back helm, the rear windows open.The rear open window makes it very convenient for single handing setting out bumpers and even tying off while still seated. I doubt one could do those things on the cruiser with the front opening windows as shown.
The picture also shows the spacious interior with extensive storage space. The overhead shelf is a beautiful addition built by the previous owner.
 
Hey David! One more "would-like" - how about that shelf over the helm!!!!
 
Mike-

Getting back to the original question about how the 16 compares to your recently sold 22, I'd think your best eventual decision making strategy would be to read and digest all of this, then go to a C-Brat Get
Together, and see a number of 16's up close, and,, letting everyone know of your situation see if you can get not only a ride on some of them, but a chance to helm them as well. Hopefully some varied wind and sea conditions would present themselves for your test drives.

Then go home, calm down, think about it rationally for a few weeks, and decide what's the smartl and cost wise thing to do.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
The boat pictured is my old 16 which I traded for my current 22. The fact that the windows open from the front as Marty pointed out is probably the one thing I didn't like about the boat. They actually open very little compared to the older models that open from the rear. If I were looking for a used 16 I would look for the older style windows. Aside from that the 16's are great boats as others have mentioned it just wasn't large enough for my type of cruising. Thanks for the compliment on the shelf Marty actually it is quite and easy modification and very handy.
 
Thanks you guys for all of the helpful feedback. Our use is mainly commuting between Anacortes and a cabin in the San Juan's plus some day trips, fishing/crabbing, whale watching, etc. We have never overnighted on either of our 22's and I don't really see that changing, so sleeping and living accommodations aren't a concern. With this boat I would limit our use to the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day and store it on the trailer under cover the balance of the year. During the Summer it would live on a mooring buoy or at a marina slip. In the past I've preferred the extra cockpit space in the 16 Angler but I also like the open access/extra seating/dry storage offered by the forward cuddy of the 16 Cruiser. We pack clothing and personal items in nylon duffels and I love the idea of an easily accessible, dry spot to stow these things. The balance of our gear is packed in a marine cooler and rubbermaid totes stowed in the cockpit. The dogs stay in the cockpit in good weather and inside (our 22's) in bad weather. The "open bulkhead" modification that some of the fellows have done has really caught my eye lately since it seems to allow for maximum storage overall. I truly appreciate the feedback and advice here. Cheers! Mike.
 
You wouldn't go wrong with either a Cruiser or an Anger, but if you are not thinking of sleeping on it, the "modified" Angler would really be the cat's meow. Open access to the cuddy, forward helm for better running attitude, lots more cockpit space. Power it with one of the new Honda 50 EFIs, and you would have the best set up possible I would think. Here is the modification, David's rotozip lives on Guemes Island!

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westward":tpml7no6 said:
Thanks you guys for all of the helpful feedback. Our use is mainly commuting between Anacortes and a cabin in the San Juan's plus some day trips, fishing/crabbing, whale watching, etc. We have never overnighted on either of our 22's and I don't really see that changing, so sleeping and living accommodations aren't a concern. With this boat I would limit our use to the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day and store it on the trailer under cover the balance of the year. During the Summer it would live on a mooring buoy or at a marina slip. In the past I've preferred the extra cockpit space in the 16 Angler but I also like the open access/extra seating/dry storage offered by the forward cuddy of the 16 Cruiser. We pack clothing and personal items in nylon duffels and I love the idea of an easily accessible, dry spot to stow these things. The balance of our gear is packed in a marine cooler and rubbermaid totes stowed in the cockpit. The dogs stay in the cockpit in good weather and inside (our 22's) in bad weather. The "open bulkhead" modification that some of the fellows have done has really caught my eye lately since it seems to allow for maximum storage overall. I truly appreciate the feedback and advice here. Cheers! Mike.
 
Hey Pat, you read my mind. I'm trying to figure a purchase price range (presumably on something having a 2-stroke installed) low enough to allow me to install the Honda 50 you speak of and not be too far upside down on my overall investment relative to the market value of the boat. This calculation doesn't even begin to work with any other small, hard-top boat than a C-Dory, even on some boats that could be had for next to nothing. Of course I'm also open to a newer boat already having the Honda installed. I've noticed that most of the newer 16's are rigged with Honda 50's. I understand the Honda part due to lighweight/reliable, but is the 50 required or will a 40 do just fine? We would almost always run at/near maximum load capacity. Also, would a Permatrim be an asset on an Angler? Thanks, Mike.
 
I run the 40 and the answer is yes, it does just fine. I can't compare it with the 50 as I've no experience with that. Consider talking to Les Lampman about the pros and cons. As for the Permatrim, it does a lot more than just bring the bow down. It's a totally different ride, exponentially better with it. Probably the best $100 investment you can make on either 16 foot boat.
 
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