Prince William Sound 2010

You could come up in crossing if you had time. I would plan on not making the trip from Cape Spencer to Cordova in less than a month. Could make it in a few days but just wouldn't plan on it. There are a few people that live year around at Cape Yakutaga (might be able to arrange for fuel there from Yakutat since that is where their mail is flown in from). I would come up in May and return by mid to late July for the best weather window. You wouldn't be;lieve the weather int hat neck of the woods in September and October. Ten to fifteen foot breakers on the beach are not unusual.

As for PWS you have gotten good advice. I like the Dangerous Passage and Bainbridge area myself, but as has been stated, the Kenai Fiords is far more rich biologically than the Sound. There is a lodge operation in Chenega (can't remember its name). You might try and call them from Valdez or inquire at the harbor to find out about fuel. If you could count on it, I would work my way across the Northern Sound to Whittier hitting all the glaciers, etc., and then head south through Culross, down Dangerous (poke around Granite, Paddy, Ewan, Jackpot bays, and maybe into Icy Bay depending on ice) to Bainbridge and then to Chenega for fuel. Then circumnavigate Knight, then to Green , North side of Montague, maybe to Cordova to see the town and get fuel, then up the east side. I often carry 100 gallons of gas, so I don't have to refuel in my spring and fall trips to the Sound. Whittier is such a pain in the butt, I generally avoid it from Memorial to Labor Day. Yearn for the days before the tunnel when I had the Bainbridge area about to myself - those days are gone forever, or at least until gas is $15/gallon. Have a photo of Bainbridge in my album if you are interested.

P.S. One piece of advice. If you are out near ocean entrances in places like Cape Cleare, Cape Puget, Cape Resurrection, and especially the area in lower Cook Inlet around Elizabeth Island or by Gore Point, you need to be very careful if there is much wind blowing. When the current runs around those points against the wind, even a breeze in lower Cook Inlet, you can find yourself in a washing machine of localized nasty seas. I have seen the current cause 2-3 foot chop without a breath of air near Elizabeth. Put even a 10 not breeze running against the current and a 22 foot C-Dory starts to seem pretty small. Don't have the time for the whole story, but I damn near turned my boat over one late October day at Cape Resurrection. That day it took me 5 1/2 hours to make the 17 miles to Seward from the Cape. Learned a pretty good lesson that day, then went directly to the bar and didn't leave until it closed.
 
I agree completely to be very careful around those all of those capes espcially if the tide is running strong and you have winds. It can get ugly. However, they are normally decent if the wind is blowing from the SE or South. From any other directions, it can get tenuous. Even then it doesn't hurt to stay a couple miles off shore if you can. One day, stupid me, I shot between Rugged Island and Hive island to find strong currents, large steep waves, and water bouncing around everywhere. NOT FUN...... It must have been some sort of fluke because I have never seen it before or after. Like you I have seen the water in front of Day Harbor just off Cape Resurrection that way many times too. I just turn around now as I know it is going to suck out there. The only time i venture out that way is in months that do not have an "R" in them.

Nainu":k78mr06t said:
You could come up in crossing if you had time. I would plan on not making the trip from Cape Spencer to Cordova in less than a month. Could make it in a few days but just wouldn't plan on it. There are a few people that live year around at Cape Yakutaga (might be able to arrange for fuel there from Yakutat since that is where their mail is flown in from). I would come up in May and return by mid to late July for the best weather window. You wouldn't be;lieve the weather int hat neck of the woods in September and October. Ten to fifteen foot breakers on the beach are not unusual.

As for PWS you have gotten good advice. I like the Dangerous Passage and Bainbridge area myself, but as has been stated, the Kenai Fiords is far more rich biologically than the Sound. There is a lodge operation in Chenega (can't remember its name). You might try and call them from Valdez or inquire at the harbor to find out about fuel. If you could count on it, I would work my way across the Northern Sound to Whittier hitting all the glaciers, etc., and then head south through Culross, down Dangerous (poke around Granite, Paddy, Ewan, Jackpot bays, and maybe into Icy Bay depending on ice) to Bainbridge and then to Chenega for fuel. Then circumnavigate Knight, then to Green , North side of Montague, maybe to Cordova to see the town and get fuel, then up the east side. I often carry 100 gallons of gas, so I don't have to refuel in my spring and fall trips to the Sound. Whittier is such a pain in the butt, I generally avoid it from Memorial to Labor Day. Yearn for the days before the tunnel when I had the Bainbridge area about to myself - those days are gone forever, or at least until gas is $15/gallon. Have a photo of Bainbridge in my album if you are interested.

P.S. One piece of advice. If you are out near ocean entrances in places like Cape Cleare, Cape Puget, Cape Resurrection, and especially the area in lower Cook Inlet around Elizabeth Island or by Gore Point, you need to be very careful if there is much wind blowing. When the current runs around those points against the wind, even a breeze in lower Cook Inlet, you can find yourself in a washing machine of localized nasty seas. I have seen the current cause 2-3 foot chop without a breath of air near Elizabeth. Put even a 10 not breeze running against the current and a 22 foot C-Dory starts to seem pretty small. Don't have the time for the whole story, but I damn near turned my boat over one late October day at Cape Resurrection. That day it took me 5 1/2 hours to make the 17 miles to Seward from the Cape. Learned a pretty good lesson that day, then went directly to the bar and didn't leave until it closed.
 
Been there done that at Cape Resurrection. Really nasty place with wind tide, and swells bouncing off the rocks. I've done the long way around Barwell Island to avoid the close in waters at the Cape.
 
TR, doubt you have seen Cape Resurrection like I saw it that day - 15-20 foot swells (with occasional larger one) from SE due to 2 days of sustained 55 knot winds that had just passed, 15 knot wind from NE out of Day Harbor, and 40 to 50 knots from N out of Resurrection Bay blowing tops off waves (forecast said 20 knots expected - thanks NOAA). It was blowing so hard, there was a 2-3 foot chop coming out of the mouth of the harbor that night when I finally made it in. Will try to write up my story one of these days.

There was one benefit - now, when my passengers get nervous about bad seas, I can tell them I have been through a lot worse.
 
:oops: Well, here ve go! Since my fellow Alaskan brats are all out to do each other I should jump in mentioning our trip last august. I tell you, it was a perfect storm for sure at Aliak and the seas so high that when ve were in the troughs; 5300ft mountain's disappeared!
Beat that!
Martin
 
Yes Martin, there does seem to be a trend there among the northmen :lol:, But they are making a point and I'm getting it. It can get rough up there and if one goes they need accept that point and be extra aware around the area's mentioned. would be great if some more detailed accounts of these experiences were given, but I can understand the reluctance with peer review being pretty tough going. I know if Jo-Lee and I can actually make this trip its going to be very interesting on how cruising the PWS compares to some of our other adventures.

Jay
 
A friend tells the story of he and two others losing an engine in the Kenai Fiords area out of Resurrection Bay several years ago. They deployed a sea anchor. The sea anchor line ended up fouling the prop on the good engine. They lost the boat and all three ended up clinging to the rocks. They got off a distress call but the weather and seas prevented the CG from getting to them with a helicopter. A CG swimmer on a line from a zodiac finally got them one at a time off the rocks. Only one was still conscience. My friend woke up in the hospital three days later and could not wait for the opportunity to get back out there.
 
Hey, Martin, couldn't have been too bad if you had time to go sightseeing out the windows at the mountains, lol. Did you cut through Chicken Pass :) ?

The real story about these occasions when you find yourself in serious trouble is how did you get there - what was your mistake and how can you learn from it. My experience of nearly 30 years of hunting, fishing and boating in Alaska has been that a series of decisions seemingly logical individually, when added up, can on rare occasion combine and build on one another to put you in an edge-of-the-envelope situation. Even if you are comfortable with the risks of a situation you put yourself in initially, things can change in ways you did not foresee, and once committed you are forced to then evaluate and choose between riskier paths, and so on, until you are balancing with your life on the edge. Alaska can reach up and bite you in the ass if you don't watch out. You gain experience by making mistakes, but just be careful and operate with a large margin of safety so when you make one it won't hurt too bad.
 
HunkyDory,
Don't let any of these rough water stories antagonize you. The Sound is pretty much calm during the summer. Yes there are lows that can blow thru, but for the most part it's good boating. (The rough water is in Passage Canal from all the boat traffic). You will have to deal with drizzling rain more than rough water. If you venture down to the southern end of LaTouche and Montague there's usually some ocean swell coming in off the gulf. One thing about the Sound is if you do screw up and find yourself in rougher water there's always a cove or bay nearby to run to.
One thing to remember that wasn't mentioned in the posts is anchoring. Check your charts, tide book,depth finder and idle over the area your going to anchor in. Watch or rocks and shelfs. A friend of mine capsized his boat when the tide went out and it set down on a boulder. He was in his tent asleep. Pretty embarrasing.
Good Luck on your adventure...........
 
Nunya":1iy1ulb4 said:
HunkyDory,
Don't let any of these rough water stories antagonize you. The Sound is pretty much calm during the summer. Yes there are lows that can blow thru, but for the most part it's good boating. (The rough water is in Passage Canal from all the boat traffic). You will have to deal with drizzling rain more than rough water. If you venture down to the southern end of LaTouche and Montague there's usually some ocean swell coming in off the gulf. One thing about the Sound is if you do screw up and find yourself in rougher water there's always a cove or bay nearby to run to.
One thing to remember that wasn't mentioned in the posts is anchoring. Check your charts, tide book,depth finder and idle over the area your going to anchor in. Watch or rocks and shelfs. A friend of mine capsized his boat when the tide went out and it set down on a boulder. He was in his tent asleep. Pretty embarrasing.
Good Luck on your adventure...........
Agree totally, the sound during the summer is usually a boater’s paradise. We only stayed home once last year because of weather, and never lost a beat the previous season; we’re on the water most weekends.
Another thing not mentioned, NOAA weather is often only reliable 12 to 24 hours out, and sometimes changes enough in a 12 hour period to affect your plans. There were two weekends we almost bagged it but were able to make our destination before the storm; our experience with summer storms is they usually move through pretty fast. What looks like great seas 3 to 5 days out can tern the other way at the last minute. And of course it can go the other way, a bad forecast can turn around just as fast. Lows often skirt the sound and effect isolated areas. Wind direction will often dictate our destination on marginal weather days.
Don’t get me wrong, we’re not brazen; we monitor NOAA weather, buoy data, weather cams and satellite imagery before most trips; the links are burned into our desktops. For us a wet and rough weekend on the sound is far better than a weekend in town. We take the gear to experience whatever mother nature throws our way; most the time she take it easy on us.



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Lone Island PWS, not Kauai Hawaii
 
No concerns over the rough water stories. Would have liked them to be in more detail. Without the lions and tigers and bears there could be no OH MY's and without the chance of OH MY's where is the adventure. Besides as you say the PWS is known for its generally calm summer seas. Most of those stories were about the area out of Seward and facing the open gulf and doubt if thats much different then many places on the unprotected upper west coast. Even with my limited experience I know the more remote the unprotected waters the better the boater better be in his choices and ability.

Is there a good place to leave the truckcamper and boat trailer in Valdez while out on the water? Was hoping it would be similar to Skagway, Alaska where they have a locked fenced area owned and near the Marina.

Breausaw Jay, am looking forward to seeing the area captured in that beautiful photo

Jay
 
Have pretty much decided on our routes and areas we really want to see. Will be going counter clockwise once out of Valdez Narrows and hope to circle the sound. Plan on starting out with approximately 100 gal of fuel and towing the Mokai. No plans for stopping at Whittier unless I find out for sure no gas available at New Chenega. Will be doing as much displacement speed cruising as weather permits to stretch cruising range. During one leg of our 2007 Alaska Inland Passage cruise exploring the outside coast of Chigagof Inland made 257 miles on 46.5 gallons, so think it possible to stretch safe range to near 400 miles. Route will be very similar to what Nainu suggested. Top of the list in the Eastern half of PWS is Beartrap Bay toward the head of Port Gravina. Anyone been there?

Would still appreciate if anyone knows where my truck camper and boat trailer can be safely stored at Valdez while out on the Sound?

Following the PWS cruise considering taking the Top of the World highway from Tok, Alaska to Dawson, Yukon Territory. Having already cruised the Yukon River from Whitehorse to Carmacks both ways in the Yukon Territory a combined 400 miles we would like to now do the section from Carmacks to Dawson starting at Dawson followed by the section from Dawson to Eagle Alaska combined over 600 miles. This will depend on launching availability at Dawson. Does anyone know if there is boat launch there that would work for the CD 22? Carmacks has a very primitive but workable launch, but would rather work upstream from Dawson and then a easy slow float back down with a known track from the route up followed by down and back from Dawson to Eagle.

Jay
 
Jay,

How long do you intend to spend on your loop around the sound? We are hoping to do the same trip next year so will look forward to your stories. I am starting a new job in AK this month. The area includes Valdez so I hope to get to know some co-workers there. If I learn of an option for truck and trailer parking, I'll let you know.
 
Ken

Probably will be a month starting sometime in early July. Could be more or less with the number of people and boats encountered the biggest determining factor.

Have only been to Valdez once before and that was in 2000. Took the Ferry from there to Cordova and spent some time exploring the Copper River delta and then Ferry to Whittier. Was the first year the tunnel was open to car traffic. This was in September with very good weather at Valdez and considerable drizzling rain while on the Copper River Delta, which did not hinder our enjoyment of the area.

Really liked the Valdez area. Would have loved to live there when the kids were young. One of the highlights of that 2000 trip was watching a black bear methodically take the salmon away from a fisherman fishing from shore between the fish-hatchery and oil terminal. He was wearing hip waders and went out about hip deep to fillet a fish and the bear came out of some close bushes and made off with a good portion of the fish he had already fillet on the shore. The bear then came out into the water less then 10 feet from him. He didn't have a clue there was a bear anywhere near and when he turned around and saw the bear that close tossed the fish to the bear and started screaming. Fortunately for him the bear got what he wanted and left. I got a good laugh and video. Before the scream thought him to be just another tough independent Alaskan with no bear fear :lol: .

Hope to hear from you about vehicle storage.

Jay
 
Jay
You can leave your rig in Valdez at several long term parking 'lots'. I am not sure if any of the lots are fenced and gated. The harbor master phone # is 1-907-835-4981. Give them a call and maybe they can direct you to someone that can accommodate your wishes.

For the record I personally have never had any problems with vandalism or theft in the thirty six years that I have lived in Alaska. But I guess times are unfortunately changing. I am looking forward to meeting you out on Prince William Sound.

Safe Passage
Chuck
 
Hunkydory":7ca9pmgp said:
Ken

He didn't have a clue there was a bear anywhere near and when he turned around and saw the bear that close tossed the fish to the bear and started screaming. Fortunately for him the bear got what he wanted and left. I got a good laugh and video. Before the scream thought him to be just another tough independent Alaskan with no bear fear :lol: .

Hope to hear from you about vehicle storage.

Jay

He did the right thing by screaming, it lets the bear know it’s not ok to approach humans. He probable was a tough independent Alaskan fisherman, and a smart one. We encounter a lot of black bears during the summer in PWS, if seen from a distance we observe but when encountered by surprise we make as much racket as possible…a scream gets a lot of attention. It’s always comforting to see them tuck tail and run for the woods.

Now brown bears are a different bread, keep your distance from these rascals. In the woods: 12 gage with skull piercing rounds, lots of noise, stay in the open as much a possible.

6 to 8 weeks tell boating season,,,,,can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Chuck---Thanks for the parking help. Will be looking forward if it works out to meeting you and other Alaska C-Brats while there.
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Guess we'll just have to see for ourselves on boat launching possibilities at Dawson, BC. Doesn't seem other C-Brats have been there either. We came close in 2002 when we turned off to the right just a few miles before Dawson to take the Dempster Highway to Inuvik where on the way we did some RIB boating on the Red and MacKensie Rivers out of Tsigehthic, in the Northwest Territory.

breausaw Jay---Got to agree the screaming was the right thing to do, but I think it was purely accidental not a planned course of action cause the screaming was for me to help and there wasn't a whole lot I could do. While checking out the fish at the fish ladder had noticed the bear hanging around the fisherman and thought He had to be aware that it was there, so did think him to be just extraordinary indifferent to bears. Found out different. Talked to him after the fact and he was a little peeved I didn't come running down to help immediately. I did yell some between laughter at the bear, so maybe I wasn't entirely useless. Now he had only been in Alaska a few years, so doubt he had aquired the tough independent thing yet. He was down from Fairbanks on leave from the AirForce. After words he wanted me to tell his wife he really had caught a bunch of fish and what had happened to them and he wasn't just telling her a tall Alaska tale.

Jay
 
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