Pricing: C-DORY 22' CRUISER with Hightop cabin

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Karl

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What is a ballpark price for this model, rigged, but with motor purchased locally? Latter is necessary to receive engine service locally...few dealers/marinas will service what they didn't sell, or you go to bottom of waiting list...my first encounter with such policies began with getting a Yamaha FJR1300 motorcycle serviced that had been bought out of state...you could lose the entire season waiting for even warranty service.

How expensive will delivery to northern NYS add, to just below Montreal?

I'm not finding any pricing, for either boat or options, on their web site.
I believe trim-tabs are even an option, which I consider mandatory.

How flexible are they with options...will they install a Webasto cabin heater, or insist on the Wallas for example?
 
Karl: You should call Marc Grove from Wefings. He can give you all the info you need and is a very nice guy. I spoke to him several times last year and he told me that he regularly gets deliveries from the Eastern factory in NH. That may help with delivery. Sometimes these truckers need another load back up north.

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I think that any service facility that turns down business for any reason other than they are too busy with their regular customers or don't have the proper tools is probably not a very smart technician. That said, one danger you can run into is a Evinrude mechanic that hates Honda's, for instance, and his boss insists he take on the job. My 35 years in the car business has taught me that most tech's have favorites and very non-favorites.
 
I've never heard of being put at the bottom of a waiting list because you didn't purchase an outboard from their location. That's really a big ticket item, you should have the freedom to purchase wherever you can get the best deal. I would not let that stop you, unless I'm just a bit ignorant about how things are handled in New York.

Outboard shops get pretty busy right before summer. Maybe get the boat serviced in the fall or winter when the shops are slower before putting it up for the winter.

We took our Yamaha in this winter for the big 500 hour service, to a new shop I'd never done business with. It was done within a few days, because the guys at the shop wanted a boat they could wheel inside the shop and work on while we had a cold snap. Got put to the top of the list. I've actually never had to wait all that long in the past either, even at the height of the fishing season.
 
I live in California and still would drive cross country to buy from Marc at Wefings...you want to buy from someone that is on your side and not trying to get everything they can out of the customer...he is fair, honest and will always do his best for you...a fine person..and a good business...you can bank on his word..

In the market today...any dealer of your brand of motor will be THRILLED to work on your motor...it is not at all like the motorcycle world..(been in both)

Getting the proper dealer is important if you ever have a serious problem...
 
I want to expand on that priority working.....it does exist in the motorcycle world...and there is a reason....first and always comes the TOURING rider...it is a common rule...if someone is traveling and they break down.. a quality shop will fix their bike first...it is a "code" type of thing...it is expected..
Second has to be your customer that buys from you...he keeps you in business... and then the guy that you will never see again... that's just the way motorcycle shops operate... everyone knows it and expects it...
 
Below is pricing from the 2017 Boat Show. (and to be honest, I'm not sure what is so special about that pricing - my boat was purchased 6 months earlier at "non-show" pricing for quite a bit less, although I did hear there was a bump in cost for 2017). As I recall the high top is about a $1000 option, give or take a few hundred. The factory is somewhat flexible on options, for example there is another Brat who is having some special modifications done on his 2017 boat...I know they'll install other Wallas heaters such as the 1300, but not sure about other brands - obviously they would be getting dealer pricing on the stuff they normally sell.

Subtract the price of the outboard as shown, add delivery costs (could check U-Ship for quotes), and there you go. Since the factory does not sell direct, you will still need to buy from a C-dory dealer, others have suggested Marc at Wefings on the East Coast, seems like the best option in your case.

Another option is that the NMI factory itself is also a Honda dealer and can install a Honda at the factory for you, if that might give you any leverage with your local NY dealers not wanting to service your stuff. I agree with others though, never has there been any problems servicing outboards at any dealer I've picked, regardless of where it was purchased. Maybe warranty work is different for some reason, but usually the warranty coverage is something that comes up AFTER you've already had your boat in the shop and they determine a cause for the failure, and is usually not a question at the time of scheduling service. Not once has a service shop ever asked me where the outboard was purchased when scheduling service.

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Unless you are over 6' 2" I don't think that the "high Top" is necessary (I was 6'2"--a little less now)--and I have had 2 standard top C Dorys--even with the Hi top, the door entrance is where the low spot is--the same in high and low tops. That is where you must always duck...

As you can see from the prices--you pay a premium to have the factory install anything...For example a $58 deck pipe (for anchor rode if you don't have windlass) will cost you $252!!!. Windshield wipers: $170 worth of electric wipers are going to cost: $615, and a second group 24 (small for a house battery) and switch worth about $120 with wiring, is over $1000!!!.

I have read on The Hull Truth of a number of instances where boaters in a busy area will be put to the bottom of the line if they did not buy the rig at that shop. Even in Pensacola, where I know one of the dealers, I get faster service if I drive about 40 miles past Gulf Breeze on outboard repairs.
 
thataway":1ur2ewp2 said:
Unless you are over 6' 2" I don't think that the "high Top" is necessary (I was 6'2"--a little less now)--and I have had 2 standard top C Dorys--even with the Hi top, the door entrance is where the low spot is--the same in high and low tops. That is where you must always duck...
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Bob-

I, too, have "shrunk"...3 spinal compression fractures and two hip replacements have reduced me from 6'6" to a mere 6'4", my reason for wanting the high top version, so that I could possibly stand or at least lean while piloting, to take some pain off my back.

I have an outbuilding at home with only 7' walls, so door opening is about a foot lower. I can't count the number of times I have forgotten to duck, and have a few scalp scars as souvenirs...I finally added some foam pipe insulation to top of door opening...when I ordered the large shed, 8' walls were only a $200 option, and I kick myself for being so cheap.

Good points about the cost of factory option price mark-up. I would only elect factory installed ones which would be difficult to install on a completed boat. I will definitely want a drum type windlass (like the "Good" brand) and cabin heat, but prefer the two major truck-derived brands over a Wallas, for reliability and availability of local parts and service. Espar and Webasto are so common as truck bunk heaters, so dealers and installers are easy to find.

As to outboards, the only choice in my area comes down to Yamaha and Mercury, virtually no sales/service for Suzuki or Honda here. And the servicing policy is pretty much the marina culture...customers come first and most service departments are very under-staffed, probably due to the short boating season this far north (Quebec border).
 
Both the used 22s have deal-breakers for me, the first of which is Suzuki power (no service avail. here), and age, and bottom paint.

I really want to buy new, as mine will be dry-docked indoors when not in actual use, avoiding sun damage,etc., plus will only be used in fresh water of drinking quality...

Plus, I have some fairly unique "wants"...mine will be very spartan, minimum (quickly removable) vinyl, workboat style rub-rail, etc, and drum windlass, just as starters. I expect it to look cosmetically new 10 years from now. Drum windlasses are not popular in the US, I suspect due to appearance, but they allow anchoring from the helm with no need to cleat-off. Becoming more important to me as my joints and body in general continue to become less forgiving, plus I boat 99% solo in very cold waters, extending the season to whenever there is no ice (and also no fuel docks open), so ability to run a 90 or 115hp outboard makes the C-Dory attractive, since I'll be hauling fuel most of "my" season.

It looks like the 22 Cruiser, new, will be affordable, but, I'm budgeting $10k for electronics, as I like tech toys, and we get severe fog here that rolls in w/o notice. Although the lake is 130 miles long, and I'm at northern tip, I don't expect to be going much further than 50 miles from home, unless there's a need to.
 
Karl , I would be happy to work with you on a High Top . We have 2 right now [one is a Honda]but we love to rig new ones . Ill send an e mail and can get some pricing to you . There is no MSRP with C Dory [like most other other builders] so its up to the dealer to price .
As far as motors go "the end of the list" mentality does exist , especially when motors have been reduced to commodities with very little margins and lots of expenses to properly sell them. Its a combination of the motor manufacturers encouraging "car business" models with rebates for high volume dealers and consumers driving 500 miles to save 500 dollars that drives it.
The end result is the end user gets poor service . Its refreshing to hear someone that thinks about service over price.They are not mutually exclusive but generally the more you beat up dealers ,the worse you service experience will be .
I am dropping the mic now .
Marc
 
I'm like you Karl. Regarding your comment about keeping your prospective C dory "showroom". That really rang a bell with me. I'm cursed with wanting to keep things perfect. I envy the folks who use stuff to death and are not bothered by wear and tear. About the only toy I have that I haven't dinged up (yet) is my 2011 Yamaha Vino Scooter. But then just yesterday I almost drove off a curb with it. Wish I could get over it, but then it does keep it nice for the next guy. Good luck in your search.
 
Karl":ujkpwflz said:
It looks like the 22 Cruiser, new, will be affordable, but, I'm budgeting $10k for electronics, as I like tech toys, and we get severe fog here that rolls in w/o notice. Although the lake is 130 miles long, and I'm at northern tip, I don't expect to be going much further than 50 miles from home, unless there's a need to.
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Check out Planar Heaters, I installed a 44D in my 25 last Dec.
Have about 800hrs on it so far & not even a hiccup! At -10 deg. ambient, it will keep cabin +50 deg. & about 30% the price of Webasto/Espar .
(I have thousands of Hours Experience with Webasto / Espar in the Truck-Bus ind.) :wink: :wink: :thup

The 22 & a F115 Yamaha is a great boat for 2 people, I had one for 10 yrs. Good luck in your journey!! :mrgreen:
 
tsturm":14zpyy0g said:
Check out Planar Heaters, I installed a 44D in my 25 last Dec.
Have about 800hrs on it so far & not even a hiccup! At -10 deg. ambient, it will keep cabin +50 deg. & about 30% the price of Webasto/Espar .
(I have thousands of Hours Experience with Webasto / Espar in the Truck-Bus ind.) :wink: :wink: :thup
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The Planar site is showing the 44D at $1025, not significantly different than the Webastos, which are shown in British pounds on their site, but one lists by KW and the other by BTU output, and my math may be wrong, as well as current exchange rate. BUT, I wouldn't need to heat at -10 deg. ambient either, as lake ice is about 3' thick at those temperatures. I see I'll have to do some more number crunching to determine actual price difference between Planar and Webasto, plus determine local price/service availability...Webastos are serviced everywhere as they dominate the trucking industry.
 
Karl":3lyw3dyc said:
What is a ballpark price for this model, rigged, but with motor purchased locally? Latter is necessary to receive engine service locally...few dealers/marinas will service what they didn't sell, or you go to bottom of waiting list...my first encounter with such policies began with getting a Yamaha FJR1300 motorcycle serviced that had been bought out of state...you could lose the entire season waiting for even warranty service.

How expensive will delivery to northern NYS add, to just below Montreal?

I'm not finding any pricing, for either boat or options, on their web site.
I believe trim-tabs are even an option, which I consider mandatory.

How flexible are they with options...will they install a Webasto cabin heater, or insist on the Wallas for example?
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I just bought a 25 from Carrie at Mobile East Marine and she gave me a good price, over the phone, in about 30 minutes after we figured out how I wanted it rigged. They are a little closer to you.
 
It appears that shipping, first to a dealer, then again to a marina near me could add significant expense. Same conclusion I came to when seriously considering a welded-plate alloy boat, virtually all produced in the PNW.

That alone may reduce the cost disparity between a a 22-Cruiser and a 23' Maritime Voyager, made in NH, about a 3-hour drive. But, while being more seaworthy than the C-Dory, fuel consumption will be about 2x the cost, and I hate spending that kind of money w/o even seeing the product, as Maritime only produces boats upon receipt of orders, and I have not been able to locate a used one to even look at.
 
Karl":2lmt4ny8 said:
It appears that shipping, first to a dealer, then again to a marina near me could add significant expense. Same conclusion I came to when seriously considering a welded-plate alloy boat, virtually all produced in the PNW.

That alone may reduce the cost disparity between a a 22-Cruiser and a 23' Maritime Voyager, made in NH, about a 3-hour drive. But, while being more seaworthy than the C-Dory, fuel consumption will be about 2x the cost, and I hate spending that kind of money w/o even seeing the product, as Maritime only produces boats upon receipt of orders, and I have not been able to locate a used one to even look at.
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If you have time they can usually ship a couple of boats at once and that reduces the cost to the dealer. With a 22 just go pick it up yourself and save the $$.
 
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