Pot heads and C-Dory?

[Foggy]

SNIP
With regard to divers and pot; some of the best free divers i know are total potheads. We're talking guys with 2+ minute breath holds. I'm not saying they are the sharpest tools in the shed, just that they go deep and kill lots of big fish.

This is a great model of seeing things thru short term glasses and then forming
the opinion that it's admirable.

"Going deep" provides its own high via "Martini's Law" (nitrogen based on ETOH
comparison not MJ); every 50' being equal to one martini, intended to caution
divers of the intoxicating effects of compressed nitrogen on the brain.
These (young?) guys with over developed lung capacity (at what health level in
the future?) are after a buzz above and below the water's surface most likely to
escape their own reality - :idea: - and not the brightest light in the room either,
as stated.

I know in some ways killing things is sport (or war). Looked at another way, it's
not a great example of using our higher centers.


Aye.

 

[BrentB]

Thank you Brent. It is the testing of impairment that I am interested in and where I think we need to spend some of that new tax money.

I have and use a Alcohawk ABI at my house.

That probably shocks some of you, but behind some occasional humor there is a serious caring man here.

My guest are free to use it prior to departing....or..at times...it is used to give us an unbiased opinion if someone should drive, be driven, or just stay till things wear off.

I have looked, but can not find a device (affordable) for weed yet.... for my guest at home in CO or WA.

Byrdman

CVS has a test kit
http://www.cvs.com/shop/home-health-car ... uid-440368

The company offers other kits too

http://www.firstcheckfamily.com/

 

[AstoriaDave]

Thanks for the link to the test kit, Brent. Could not figure out how many tests that kit would do. Do you know? Looks like a cost effective way to screen people.

 

[BrentB]

Dave

These are single use POC point of care tests

 

[colbysmith]

" As a USCG licensed mariner, i can't touch the stuff; It would put me at risk of losing my license and my job". I think that says it all. Especially for the younger generation still deciding a career. What you do today may have an effect on what you can do tomorrow. And even once you are in your career, certain things are taboo! As an airline pilot, I could be drug or alcohol tested randomly (ie, at any time immediately before, during or immediately after work). There are also still many jobs that as part of their hiring process, will drug test. Colby

 

[BrentB]

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) has drawn a line in the sand, issuing a sober policy statement reaffirming its opposition to the legalization of marijuana. The tide of public opinion and state laws, however, may be turning against the organization.

"The AAP opposes legalization of marijuana because of the potential harms to children and adolescents. The AAP supports studying the effects of recent laws legalizing the use of marijuana to better understand the impact and define best policies to reduce adolescent marijuana use," the statement says.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/838 ... _edit_dail

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[Foggy]

Ultimately, it boils down to being accountable for everything you say and do,
everything you put into your body (nose, mouth, vein, lungs, other..) i.e.;
self respect.

Aye.

Grandma used to say, "It's hard to give what you never got."

 

[colbysmith]

Tempted to quote the whole article here, but I won't.... But I think there are some things that should be said about "weed".:

"Alterations in motor control, coordination, judgment, reaction time, and tracking ability have also been documented; these may contribute to unintentional deaths and injuries among adolescents (especially those associated with motor vehicles if adolescents drive while intoxicated by marijuana," the statement says." I bet this would be true in adults as well, and I believe probably fits with Alcohol use. Of course driving (or performing) with lack of sleep produces the same outcomes.

"The AAP's position is not without exception, however. It acknowledges that "marijuana may currently be an option for cannabinoid administration for children with life-limiting or severely debilitating conditions and for whom current therapies are inadequate.""

While I'm still on the fence about legalization, when compared to alcohol use, it's hard to make a lot of sense to maintain prohibition on one while allowing the other. Colby

 

[Foggy]

A lot of this chest thumping and brow beating can be explained how the
government classifies MJ and ETOH. I think a lot can be gained by
understanding this. Here's a brief summary.

"DEA CLASSIFICATION
Schedule I
Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no
currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs
are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe
psychological or physical dependence. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4
methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote"

The DEA does not classify ethyl alcohol (that I could find).

ETHYL ALCOHOL Approved uses:
Solvent
Anti-infective Agent
Central Nervous System Depressant, a psychoactive drug
The oldest known sedative - goes back thousands of years.
Historically used as a general anesthetic agent for surgery
Local Injection to kill nerve tissue (therapeutic neurolysis) for the relief of
inoperable pain (CA, Trigeminal Neuralgia [tic doloureux])and for patients for
whom neurosurgery is contraindicated.
IV injection to treat life threatening alcohol withdrawal (Delerium
Tremens - "DTs").
Alcoholic beverages

Aye.

 

[rogerbum]

A lot of this chest thumping and brow beating can be explained how the
government classifies MJ and ETOH. I think a lot can be gained by
understanding this. Here's a brief summary.

"DEA CLASSIFICATION
Schedule I
Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no
currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs
are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe
psychological or physical dependence. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4
methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote"

The DEA does not classify ethyl alcohol (that I could find).

ETHYL ALCOHOL Approved uses:
Solvent
Anti-infective Agent
Central Nervous System Depressant, a psychoactive drug
The oldest known sedative - goes back thousands of years.
Historically used as a general anesthetic agent for surgery
Local Injection to kill nerve tissue (therapeutic neurolysis) for the relief of
inoperable pain (CA, Trigeminal Neuralgia [tic doloureux])and for patients for
whom neurosurgery is contraindicated.
IV injection to treat life threatening alcohol withdrawal (Delerium
Tremens - "DTs").
Alcoholic beverages

Aye.

Yes the DEA classifies marijuana in the same class as many far worse drugs and yes, the DEA doesn't classify alcohol similarly. But this actually doesn't add much to the discussion here since everyone realizes that these classifications have more to do with politics and history than with any rational scientific basis.

Aye.

 

[Foggy]

Roger, of course you are entitled to your opinion. Sorry you
didn't enjoy reading the post as much as I enjoyed writing it.

Aye.

 

[rogerbum]

Roger, of course you are entitled to your opinion. Sorry you
didn't enjoy reading the post as much as I enjoyed writing it.

Aye.

I never said I didn't enjoy it, just that the DEA classification info didn't (IMO) add much to the discussion.

Aye.

 

[Foggy]

I'm glad I'm not a betting man.

If I were, I'd bet many, maybe most, have no idea how MJ is classified with
the DEA. They probably don't care either (I don't care they don't care).

And, I'd bet the same crowd doesn't know the beneficial uses of ETOH.

Just my guess.

Aye.

 

[Spike]

Just for the fun of it I went back to the original post and clicked on the offending lick. After watching the title banner cycle 5 full times the picture with the C-Dory no longer comes up. Guess it is time for me to burn a "fat one" and celebrate the fact that this thread has run its course.

 

[cmetzenberg]

" As a USCG licensed mariner, i can't touch the stuff; It would put me at risk of losing my license and my job". I think that says it all. Especially for the younger generation still deciding a career. What you do today may have an effect on what you can do tomorrow. And even once you are in your career, certain things are taboo! As an airline pilot, I could be drug or alcohol tested randomly (ie, at any time immediately before, during or immediately after work). There are also still many jobs that as part of their hiring process, will drug test. Colby

My father inlaw was a United pilot for many years. He said they would always breathalize him and his crew at arrival...You'd think the wise thing to do would be to test prior to departure.

 

[Foggy]

There is something lacking, "je ne sais quoi", but oddly similar to those (perhaps
self absorbed pleasure seeking) people who choose to smoke in the presence
of non-smoking others (exposed to 2nd hand smoke) or be under the influence
(ETOH, MJ, other) when others may suffer the consequences.

Sadly, it happens almost everywhere all the time.

Aye.

Grandma used to say, when I was young and foolish,
"Go ahead, silly boy, ruin your own life but don't ruin mine."

 

[colbysmith]

"My father inlaw was a United pilot for many years. He said they would always breathalize him and his crew at arrival...You'd think the wise thing to do would be to test prior to departure."

I never got pegged for the test before or during a trip, it was always upon arrival at the end of the sequence at home base. (Probably due to what affect that might have on possibly delaying a flight while filling out the paperwork and administering the test(s)).... And drug testing happened much more frequently than alcohol testing. Always made me mad as we were paid an additional 15 mins of flight time for each test. I figured if I had to hang around to do the test, I might as well do them both and get paid 30 mins! :roll: Colby

 

[BrentB]

I am very impressed with everyone's informative replies and comments, and thank the site's mods for not locking the thread

Brent

 

[hardee]

I am very impressed with everyone's informative replies and comments, and thank the site's mods for not locking the thread

Brent

Likewise here. Learned plenty more than I thought I would, and more. Even about myself.

Thanks to the "Just be nice" bunch.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon

 

[Kushtaka]

Likewise here. Learned plenty more than I thought I would, and more. Even about myself.

Thanks to the "Just be nice" bunch.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon

Yup. This has been interesting. My personal feeling, and what I'm seeing play out here in AK as this issue comes to a head, is that there are regular users in every part of society who are now, and have long been partaking. It's just that before they were in the dark, and are now shedding the stigma and able to be a bit more open, if only in discussions.

What I once assumed was used scarcely, is used all over, regularly, and the people who I've learned have been regular users have intelligence, make meaningful contributions to their careers and communities, and simply do not fit the mold I had created in my mind.

I make no assertions of bad or good here. Just of what I hope are my objective observations.

Further, what has become clear is that, where prohibited, underage users have very easy access to cannabis via black markets and have no trouble getting any, vs. alcohol, which they have much more trouble accessing due to the legal market, and age requirement. So the same type of black market for alcohol is not there, and so kids can get cannabis, but not alcohol (generalizing here, I know).

Further, I think there is a lot to be said for a consistently safe product. The Black Market provides no accountability, nor means of redress for negligence on the part of grower and/or seller.

The take home message for me is that I'm surprised how mainstream and commonplace some level of cannabis use is among the general public, which has caused me to question whether the drug causes people to be brain dead, couchlocked waste of life "Pot Heads," (to use the OP's term) and actually is enjoyed by probably half of us.

This thread has been directly involved in this adjustment to my perspective on things, and has brought me to a much more open-minded and objective opinion after realizing that many of my basic assumptions regarding cannabis use were wrong.

Thanks Brats. Sorry if this thread has been tense for anyone.