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Spoke to my local Yami service guy this morning, about putting in 2nd steering station. He says that the steering control would be to the big engine. and the throttle control would be to the kicker. The kicker would be tie bar to the main. He say this is the way they do all the charter boats. Is that your guys experience?
starcrafttom?

My thing is when I fish alone (which is lots) I can't tiller steer the kicker because of the interference with the tiller motor well.

My thought was 2nd steering station and 2nd throttle control to the main which is what I mostly fish with now. He said no, this would be prohibitively expensive (2 throttle controls on the same engine)

Wonder how all those Seasports were done?
Triton?

Thanks guys.

Stefan
 
When I fished alone in my 22 I just had the mains for trolling (twin and no kicker). I'd point myself downwind and make sure I had plenty of open space in front of me (repeatedly checking the latter of course). If I hooked something big that required a reduction in speed or neutral, I would just back into the cabin and pull back on the throttles (a long fishing rod helps). Never really lost a fish due to this.

IMHO, a second helm in a 22 isn't needed and would take up valuable (and limited) cockpit space. You'd be better off with either a Yamaha 8 horse kicker + a TR1 remote controlled autopilot if you really want to be able to steer from the cockpit. Still, that's a pricey solution and you can buy a lot of fishing tackle instead.
 
That is the way I've had my 2 22ft c-dories fixed. Take a look at my albums. The steering with main tied to kicker, and controls on the kicker work well. Also, if you use a 4 stroke kicker you can also use a troll master to control engine speed when inside the pilothouse. Ron
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Hi, On my 22 I had the kicker tied to the main and drove the main from the inside or with a wireless auto pilot control. I liked having the two motors linked together. that way just one auto pilot. Now for throttle control on that boat I just twisted the handle. I would not recommend that. the problem I have always had with the twist throttle or the remote throttle on kickers that that they don't stay set and there is general only two stops the throttle will set. Too slow or too fast, your pick.

If I was rigging a 22 today I would be with a kicker tied to the main equipped with a auto pilot, that way you get auto pilot for both motors, with atroll master to control the throttle not a second throttle lever. and if you dont want to go get a full on auto pilot you can use a combined troll master with panther auto steer.

The best way, but the most expensive , would be a tr-1 trolling auto pilot. It's a combination of, different maker, of autopilot for your kicker with a built in throttle control.

Take a look at those options and then call or email me with any further questions.

One last thing, for all you that are dying to tell me that nofis h is worth all that just go buy one OR that is not the way it was "back in the day" don't bother. its fishing if you don't get it don't fish, go sailing or something or try convincing me you really need a microwave, ice maker, air conditioning, espresso machine to have a weekend on the boat :roll:
 
I use the roger-bum method myself.

I steer off the main 90hp. I just push the motor with my hands. I've thought about attaching a dowel on the motor hood and just tuning it into a big "tiller" but that's just to tacky even for me. So, I'll just continue to steer with my hands and do the cabin dash when I get a good hit

Chris
 
I also use the tie-bar between the main and kicker method. Unlike Starcrafttom I am fortunate that the throttle on my 6-hp suzuki kicker stays where I put it so I can easily troll from inside the cabin and watch and wait for the rod tip to start dancing. If I need to adjust speed I step out and adjust it real quick.

I set my tie-bar up with quick disconnect fittings so if it is nice out I can detach kicker from main and put on the tiller extension handle in a matter of seconds and then troll from the cockpit. System works well for me. A couple of my buddies have the TR-1 setups and as mentioned before, they are sweet but are also spendy. The tie-bar setup is pretty foolproof.

Chip
 
There is a way to get control of the main at the aft helm that isn't as expensive.

You install a two lever control box (morse, u-flex or similar) at the main helm, and a second two lever control box at the aft helm. The downside is you can accidently shift with the throttle advanced and this could damage the lower unit.

However, I've had dual lever craft all my life with no issues, so if you train yourself it is no big deal.

The steering is hydraulic and T's into the existing steering system with a tie bar to the kicker if you want. However, if you're trolling on the main, you may not need that.
 
the only problem I see with a second steering system on a 22 instead of the tr1/auto pilot set ups is room. i have the second steering station on my 27 with the dual control, which do take getting used to if you have been using single control your whole life :oops: , and I like it but I have a LOT of deck space so it takes up no room.

On a 22 room is at a premium and it can get crowded with extra wheels and levers. I would much prefer the auto pilot and remote throttle for that reason alone.

You also have to figure in the wife factor. I fish with susan a lot but she does not like to fish she likes to catch. So while I am fishing and she is bored she has a tendency to drag out sewing, music, lunch,reading, horse shoeing if she could get the anvil in the boat her self, into the center of the cabin JUST as a fish will hit. so any attempt by me to move from the captains chair to the rear deck could take a while. No "just pop in and out of the cabin" Not happening. Getting a hand held remote auto pilot did not save my marriage , but it sure set it on a better course. :wink:

the other thing is that when I do fish alone a fish will only hit as you are with in a 50 yard radius of 30 boats :shock: having a boat that goes straight is really nice not only then but as you are setting your rods out. More so if the wind is blowing.
 
A Fishin C":17ai9yba said:
Spoke to my local Yami service guy this morning, about putting in 2nd steering station. He says that the steering control would be to the big engine. and the throttle control would be to the kicker. The kicker would be tie bar to the main. He say this is the way they do all the charter boats. Is that your guys experience?
starcrafttom?

My thing is when I fish alone (which is lots) I can't tiller steer the kicker because of the interference with the tiller motor well.

My thought was 2nd steering station and 2nd throttle control to the main which is what I mostly fish with now. He said no, this would be prohibitively expensive (2 throttle controls on the same engine)

Wonder how all those Seasports were done?
Triton?

Thanks guys.

Stefan
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Hi Stefan,

I'm with Matt on this one. The easiest way if you want two stations is with dual lever single function controllers (one lever for shift the other for throttle). However you may have a side mount controller in there now (standard Yamaha item) and that would have to come out and room made for a binnacle (top mount) controller.

It is true you can't use two single lever dual function controllers (like the standard side mount) as whichever one you're trying to operate can not overcome the resistance of the other.

For the most part Sea Sports, Skagit Orcas, and the like were outfitted with electronic controllers (like Teleflex KE or ZF Mathers)....expensive!


Les
 
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