Pit Bull ATTACK

Wife was taking the CheeWahWah for a walk and looks behind her, ten feet back of her are three coyotes who would not move off when she challenged them. I have had to put one large male down who was hunting every day almost inside the front door. We live in California, no way to carry except on your own property. I would gladly take a bit or risk to myself from others to have a fair and reasonable CCW law here in our state. Glad you had the skills to protect yourself. By the way, all dogs will pack and hunt, it is genetic and I do not like the sight of two or more dogs out on the town.
Bob
 
Glad you are in one piece and you didn't suffer anything more severe.

As regards that particular breed of dog, I have only three comments. I blame the owners who raised those dogs. I've personally had a two pit bulls and one full-blood Staffordshire Terrier. All were raised from pups and raised to be accepting of people and trained to obey. Of course, I'm a responsible dog owner.

I've also dealt w/ various of this breed on-duty, usually for instances such as yours. I've nearly resorted to deadly force on more than one occasion. I've seen pepper spray work and I've seen them sneeze it off. I once got a call of three pits that had trapped a construction worker on the roof of a house. He had hit one as hard as he could across the head w/ a 2X4, knocking the dog out. When the dog awoke it went right back to trying to bite him. It's sad the dogs will pay the price for the owner's irresponsibility, but you can't have these types of dogs running around, attacking people.
 
Anna Leigh":1d0h60q5 said:
Sort of like automatic weapons, why do people think they need something that can maim or kill.

Ya ya, I know , weapons don't kill, people do. BUT you know what, know one needs a weapon that fires more than one shot in 5 seconds. And know one needs an animal that is as aggressive as what has been described.
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I'm curious how this conversation went so quickly from a canine attack to firearms.

I am also curious how much experience you have with any type of firearm whatsoever.

Why do I need a firearm that could maim or kill someone? Because that is what an intruder will be carrying.

Where did you hear all the 5-second stuff? I own 3 Glocks, several Ruger double action revolvers and two Ruger semi-automatic pistols. I guarantee you I can fire more than 1 round in 5 seconds with any of them.

My Savage model 336 shotgun will fire two rounds in two seconds. If it didn't I'd sell it. I use it to shoot skeet.

My dad was a gunsmith. My sister is a TSA officer. I earned the NRA Pro-Marksman award at the age of 12.

Perhaps you need to educate yourself.

By the way, no-one is spelled no-one or no one. It is NOT spelled know one.

Thanks,

Al

Edit to add: I really enjoy c-brats, and find it to be a great source of information about my CD-22. I apologize if I have offended anyone with my post. Firearms have been my specialty for decades and it upsets me when someone posts something that is indicative of a total lack of knowledge about firearms.
 
Bob I got that number at the school library in Maryland when i was 11. It was part of a book report I was doing. I remember how surprised I was because I still had gi-gi, my poodle, at that time. she passed away the next year at 20 years of age. great dog. but maybe I should quote newer numbers next time.

It funny that we are talking about dogs and packs. today in Washington the news is about a pack of dogs that are l killing a lot of animal in the state. I was almost jumped by a pack in placerville ca. in high school one night. I was walking back to town from a friends girlfriends house one night. she was sick in bed and could not go out with us so we stopped by "just to say hi" well it must have been catching because next thing you know my buddy is in bead too and I have no ride back to town, some people :roll: .

Well as I walked to town on a very country road, no traffic for two hours on a Friday night, I was trailed by first one dog then another and another until there where 8. I had driven them off three times with stick, rocks, empty beer bottles, you have to wait until the beers gone to throw those, and what every I could find. Just a i was getting challenged again by three of the bigger dogs a police car comes down the road. I got in and scared him before the car stopped moving. My first and last voluntary act of that nature.

Most dog packs in rural areas are pets that are not tied up at night. ever wonder why your dog sleeps all day? cause hes out killing all night. Susans day grew up in walnut creek ca. on a dairy farm. every year just before calving season he and his brothers would camp out in the fields and shoot all the wild dogs on the property. 90% had collar and tags. The owners would swear that their dog was not mean or a danger. dogs hunt and pack and it has nothing to do with how you raise them. it has to so with were they are and who or what they are hang out with. never let your dog loose with out being there. I walk my dog all the time off leash, but hes is never out of my sight, well unless you have food on your boat at the dock.

I agree that large dogs of any breed are more dangers then kick me dogs just by shear size and ability, that's why its the owners responsibility to always have their dog in sight or locked up.

bobjarred, when did they get rid of a ccw in California? I know its hard to get but you can get one.
 
Casey- That's a crazy story! A near death experience for sure. Some people who survive traumatic events often say their food tastes better and they live fuller lives. Was your coffee savored this morning? Glad your up right and drawing breath.

Kinda sad about the dogs in all ways.

WOW!


Chris
 
So, "no" versus "know" - if I spent my time correcting all the spelling and grammar errors here, I would never get anything else done! So cut David a little slack!

Dogs - I think Da Nag said it all exactly right. I spent a bit of time researching a breed-specific dog ordinance for Snoqualmie, the pols decided to leave it well enough alone, thank heavens.

Guns - the military needs guns, the police need guns, as far as I can see, nobody else needs guns, except maybe for hunting, skeet shooting or target practice - the guns for "self-defense" are far more likely to end up being used to shoot a spouse or acquaintance than an intruder, no matter what our friends on the far right say. But the Supremes have spoken, the 2nd Amendment confers a personal right, and it is what it is. So we all get to live with it and move on...
 
Well do I remember similar instances of "pet" dogs packing up in Montana when I lived there in the late 50's and early 60's. It was not uncommon for the sheep ranchers to make early morning phone calls to a few urban residents and ask them that if they would like to come retrieve their dog that was visiting their property. When the owner arrived at the ranch they would find their "properly identified by a dog collar" dog dead from a gunshot wound lying amongst a number of dead sheep that their dog and others had attacked and killed during the night.
It was also not uncommon for me to see a few dogs returning back to town from their all night escapades as I was riding my horse in the early morning hours on the edge of town.

The bottom line is that with the ownership of pets comes a responsibility to care for them properly. Unfortunately, there are a few owners that are unconcerned about where or what their pets are doing and feel their pets can do no wrong.
 
Well, as a veterinarian in private practice, I get to see all kinds of dogs. Most all of them are pretty good. There are good dogs and bad dogs. Dogs that bite are bad. We hear on a daily basis, "oh be careful, he was abused". That just means a muzzle comes out and extra costs for additional restraint. There must be millions of "abused dogs" out there. Sure, some have been but not near the numbers that we hear. Its usually a handy excuse for a crappy dog. Dogs are all individuals, subject to the same genetic, environmental and situational influences as the rest of us mammals. The American Veterinary Medical Association publishes lists of the top ten dogs most likely to injure a vet every year and I wasn't too surprised to see the weaner dog at number one if for no reason other than their popularity these days. Same reason a poodle or any other breed of great popularity could show up on the top ten list. Never feared getting killed by one though. Often the top ten will include, Rotts, Pits, Charpeis, Chows, Shepherds, Akitas, Malemutes, Dobies, St. Bernard etc. All of these generally get my adrenalin up when I have to see them, list or no list. Just plain meanest dog I've ever seen was a big yellow lab. Tried to kill me every time I saw him but knowing in advance and having a strong owner that told me up front that the dog thought I was lunch let me have the owner muzzle him and get some chemical restraint on board. The AVMA also published a study that showed 80% of people killed in the U.S. by dogs over a twenty year span were killed by two breeds. You guessed it. Pits and Rotts. Appears to be a genetic link involving both the breeds and probably to some extent their owners and breed popularity as well as situational opportunity and packing behavior, esp. with pits. Dogs that have most often tried to hurt me; #1 St. Bernard, #2 Rotties, #3 Akitas, #4 German Shepherds, #5 Malemutes, or something like that. Number one cause of death for St. Bernard is euthanasia for being vicious, ahead of cancer. Mean dogs just make for a long, stressful day.
 
Years ago when I worked as a garbageman I went up against all kinds of dogs that saw me as a thief and trespasser. Pit Bulls were not common then so I (thankfully, I think) had no experience with them. The scariest breeds were St. Bernards and some German Shepherds and Retrievers. Of course there were plenty of large aggressive mutts too. Rotts were an interesting proposition. They seem to have a wait and see attitude. The ones that didn't want me to steal the trash would sit between me and the trashcan with a 'The next move is up to you' demeanor. No growling, barking or carrying on, very business like.
A friend had Obadiah, 105 pound Belgian Shepherd that I would take for a ridealong when I had had enough of some mean dog. We would pull up to the problem house and when the mean dog would come running at the truck I'd open the door and Obadiah would take off like a ballistic missile! He never bit any of the dogs but none of then ever came after me again, in fact most of them would hide!

I don't understand why some posts in this thread came out with emotion driven, untrue anti-gun rhetoric. I am sitting here in one piece because one dark night, isolated and outnumbered, I had possession of a tool that certain ignorant fear and agenda driven types would deny me.
 
How about we keep the gun stuff from closing down this thread. The only relevant irearms issue pertaining to the subject at hand -protection from dogs - has been addressed.

Thanks,

Mom
 
Casey, I am glad to hear that your injuries were not serious or extensive!

I am normally not a person who would suggest that a lawsuit is the best option, but in the case of dangerous dogs of any breed, that is exactly what I believe needs to happen. If a dog attacks a human without provocation, it needs to be put down immediately. Then, the owner and/or caretaker needs to be relieved of every cent he or she has.

My new neighbors have a nuisance pit bull, and they are very aware that if it is in my yard, it is going to die. Another neighbor has told them the same thing.
 
As a practicing veterinarian in the lower 48 I can wholeheartedly concur with Doc's observations in his practice. Breeds of dogs are developed for certain jobs and however "cool" they are on Tv or movies these are very well trained animals in controlled conditions. If one becomes informed on how dogs react socially with each other you will begin to recognize patterns of behavior towards people as well. Be aware of what your pet is and what it is doing!. C-Dory doc in Ephrata.
 
I am sorry about the encounter that you had. I am a proud owner of two Pitbulls. Both are rescues. I am a firm believer in responsible owners. There are irresponsible owners in which gives this breed a bad name. I had three pitbulls last August but lost one due to cancer. He was a gentle giant. Any animal can show aggression if it was raised to do so. Once again I am sorry for your encounter.
 
ken westrope":ar0ft5ap said:
If one becomes informed on how dogs react socially with each other you will begin to recognize patterns of behavior towards people as well. Be aware of what your pet is and what it is doing!. C-Dory doc in Ephrata.
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Well put and worth repeating.
 
Wandering Sagebrush":1872jp7i said:
Casey, I am glad to hear that your injuries were not serious or extensive!

I am normally not a person who would suggest that a lawsuit is the best option, but in the case of dangerous dogs of any breed, that is exactly what I believe needs to happen. .
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Our son Joe is a long distance bicycle rider. He has been chased by dogs on three continents. (is New Zealand a continent?) The only time he was seriously bitten, however, was on a bike path at home in Bellevue, WA, and the dog was on a leash! It was suggested by the responding police and paramedics that he consider legal action. He did sue, successfully.
 
Casey,

That’s quite a terrifying story! We are glad you are alright though. Those rotten dogs tried to take down the wrong victim. Looks like you earned the status of the “big dog” on the block! Take care, we’ll be thinking of you.

Don
 
What about bear spray? Non lethal, and will stop a charging grizzly. Easy and quick to deploy, and usually sold with a belt holster. While in Montana last year we saw numerous forest service signs recommending people carry bear spray when hiking in bear country. BTW: My wife stepped between two pitbulls that had attacked her friend's standard poodle while they were out walking last year. At one point she found herself on the ground and on her back with the dogs fighting above her! Good thing the pits were going after the poodle (which died as a result of the attack) and not my wife, or I might now be a widower. As it was, she ended up with a nasty bite on her leg. My wife now carries bear spray whenever she walks the dogs. Mike.
 
Glad to hear that you are okay. It seems like pit bull attacks are getting to be more regular. I might be wrong but the only good pit bull is the one that is sleeping about 4 feet under the surface of the ground. If people are going to own these animals it should be "Mandatory" that they carry some kind of insurance.
 
this post has occurred in a timely manner for linda and i, as this friday we will pick up our new dog. because of this post we are now considering obedience training. our biggest concern is with aggression, bites and harm brought to others by our dog. i believe owners have a prudent obligation to train their dog and should be held accountable for the actions of their dog. we are extremely excited about our new family member and will keep all posted should something bad occur.
we have named our pet, Mr. Radar, he is a six week old, tea cup chilhuahua!
best regards
pat
ps: will post pictures assuming i can hold him still long enough without being bitten. i think all my years in the gym will be serve me well, i will master this dog!
 
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