Older early 80s cruiser 16, what to look for?

Pickles1107

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Hi all. Just joined up. Live in Puget Sound and currently have a 97 Boston Whaler Dauntless 13. My boat is a center console which is great for fishing but I Have been thinking lately how nice it would be to have a cabin to be protected from the elements! Anyways, I found a nice older 16 cruiser on CL in my area. http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/boa/4684374379.html

Wondering what in should know about older C-Dorys... Does this boat have positive flotation/unsinkable? Is a 25hp 4stroke enough to push it with 2-4 people on board? What are some things to ask the owner about or look out for? Is the price in line with what you would expect to pay?

Cheers,
Chris
 
Welcome to C-Brats! :thup

Others here will know much more that is specific to 16's, but since no-one else has replied yet, I'll throw in a few things to get you started. I've never owned a Whaler, but I get the feeling they are like C-Dorys in that they are really practical and have a dedicated following.

So first off is that all C-Dorys (not that this is unique to C-Dorys) have a cored hull, and a number of other cored areas (decks, transom, some "walls," etc.). So you want to make sure that is not compromised, or that if it is, the price and your desires for a boat/project reflect it. They are not any more prone to problems than any other production/cored boat, but it's something to look for.

If a boat has mostly been stored on the trailer/indoors, you have a head start of course, and much less likely that any problem in the core "grew, unnoticed."

I don't know about the 16, but with the 22 (which I'm more familiar with) there was an older design (pre-1987) and that had a plywood hull core, and then they slightly changed the design (1987) and I think that's when they went to balsa core. Both can work well, main thing is to keep it dry.

After that, the one thing I have noticed on the 16's is that the window designs have changed over time. Seems like, IIRC, the oldest ones were maybe just a slab of something clear (not sure what) fastened to the window cutout. Then as time went by they went to the older (silver) design with the actual window frames, and then eventually (early 90's?) to the current white frames.

And maybe this is in backwards order, but do you know that the 16 comes in two basic designs (at least nowadays)? The "Cruiser" has an open V-berth, then small cabin with helm (open back, which can have a fitted canvas zippered door curtain), then cockpit. The "Angler" has a closeable storage compartment (smaller than V-berth), then a small cabin with helm, the open back, then the cockpit. On the Cruiser the helm area is further aft, due to the V-berth, and apparently it can be a bit prone to being stern heavy, whereas the Angler tends to have better balance, fore-and-aft, because the helm is further forward. If I weren't planning to sleep aboard, the Angler would be my choice, and even if I were going to sleep aboard, I might consider the Angler and some good cockpit canvas over the Cruiser.... but that's more debatable.

I've only been on one 16 Cruiser that a C-Brat/friend used to own - we went out a few times for the afternoon. I believe his had a 40hp Honda, which of course seemed perfectly fine. So I can't speak to the 25hp. If it were enough power, I suppose the lighter weight would be advantageous on the can-tend-to-be-stern-heavy Cruiser model.

As to price/value, there is a sub-forum here that can be helpful. If you go to the area where the classified ads are, you will see a sub-forum called something like "Marketplace Reference." That contains pages of old ads. The actual selling prices aren't shown, but you can see the asking prices, and often times you can get a pretty good idea of where that stood as compared to the selling price, by how quickly it sold, if the price was reduced, etc. And there is a good sample size.

There are quite a few people here with 16's, so I'm sure better information will be along soon. Happy shopping! :D

PS: There is one fellow here (but I can't remember his user name, dagnabbit!) who has an older 16... I think maybe 1980's vintage. He had the older windows and I think replaced them with custom, opening units sort of like the "safari" windows on an old VW bus - they looked pretty sweet. I think it was the same owner who had some issues with some built in boxes at the stern (water had got into them), and there was some discussion of them, with photos, etc. Might be worth digging through the boats list (up top) and arranging by year and model and then looking in the photo albums of the older 16's. I think the boxes might have been unique to the older ones, but not positive.
 
Pickles1107":x63p02j5 said:
Is a 25hp 4 stroke enough to push it with 2-4 people on board?

Cheers,
Chris

Well, yes, 25 is enough to push it, but I wouldn't recommend it. Heck, the 5hp kicker is enough to push the boat at a top speed of about 5mph. Almost all 16s that I know of have either a 40 or a 50. A few years ago Charlie Vinroot had an early 90's 16 footer (Captain's Kitten) with a 35hp Honda. That's about the lowest hp main engine I remember, although at least one guy has a 16 with 2- 20hp engines. As for the hull, except for the length, the pre-90's are pretty much a different boat than the 90's forward. Hopefully some owners of the older ones will post their opinion. Good luck in your search.
 
My bet is that boat does just fine with the 25 with only one or two persons onboard. Those very early 16's are much different than the later / current versions which require 40 or 50 hp. It is shallower, narrower, and has a true dory (flat) bottom. It is more basic and therefore lighter, i.e., no splashwell, no deck (cabin sits directly on hull), no bulkhead, etc. As long as everything checks out, that's probably a great boat for what it is, but it might be more comparable to the latter C-dory 14's than the 16's.
 
MikeR":2dpj976j said:
My bet is that boat does just fine with the 25 with only one or two persons onboard. Those very early 16's are much different than the later / current versions which require 40 or 50 hp. It is shallower, narrower, and has a true dory (flat) bottom. It is more basic and therefore lighter, i.e., no splashwell, no deck (cabin sits directly on hull), no bulkhead, etc. As long as everything checks out, that's probably a great boat for what it is, but it might be more comparable to the latter C-dory 14's than the 16's.

From what I can tell, this 14 doesn't have a berth/ space for sleeping like the later 14s. Do y know when the switchover happened to the later designs?
 
Pickles1107":14imiu0d said:
MikeR":14imiu0d said:
My bet is that boat does just fine with the 25 with only one or two persons onboard. Those very early 16's are much different than the later / current versions which require 40 or 50 hp. It is shallower, narrower, and has a true dory (flat) bottom. It is more basic and therefore lighter, i.e., no splashwell, no deck (cabin sits directly on hull), no bulkhead, etc. As long as everything checks out, that's probably a great boat for what it is, but it might be more comparable to the latter C-dory 14's than the 16's.

From what I can tell, this 14 doesn't have a berth/ space for sleeping like the later 14s. Do y know when the switchover happened to the later designs?

I meant to say 16's; when did the 16 design changeover?
 
As far as I know only the "Cruiser" version of the 16 has a sleeping berth, and I'm not sure when they introduced it but I think it was the early 1990s...there are numerous members listed on this site with 1992 16' Cruisers but very few prior to then.

The Angler design has a lockable cuddy for storage, but it's not large enough to sleep in. The change from the early design you're looking at to this style happened some time in the mid 80s but not sure of the exact year, I think 85... You can sort the "Our C-Dorys" list by year and by model, and then look at some of the user albums. Below is a link to an album for a 1984 Angler (C-Guppy), and another link for a 1985 Angler (Patsy Lou) and you can see the 84 is like your 83, while the 85 is much more like the current Angler design.

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _album.php

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _photo.php
 
I called the owner. He says he ran the boat once since he owned it in the past year. Says the 25 pushes the boat just fine but he only went out solo. Also said he took it 24 miles on 1.5 gallons. This doesn't seem right! He has no idea the hours on the motor. Very firm on price. I think I'll pass on this one as I have concerns that he is underpowered.
He also said the plate stipulates max 40 hp. Does this seem right for early 16 cruiser?
 
Pickles1107":1jo6ual3 said:
Very firm on price. I think I'll pass on this one as I have concerns that he is underpowered.

craigslist ad has expired, and I never saw the price.

However, unless it was cheap enough make repowering with a 40-50HP practical - I think you were wise to pass on it.

There's a reason you rarely see a 16 powered by anything outside of 40-50HP. My advice would be to stick with tried and true power options - hundreds of us can't all be wrong.
 
Da Nag":237leqki said:
Pickles1107":237leqki said:
Very firm on price. I think I'll pass on this one as I have concerns that he is underpowered.

craigslist ad has expired, and I never saw the price.

However, unless it was cheap enough make repowering with a 40-50HP practical - I think you were wise to pass on it.

There's a reason you rarely see a 16 powered by anything outside of 40-50HP. My advice would be to stick with tried and true power options - hundreds of us can't all be wrong.

The original ad expired. Here is the fresh one.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/boa/4702309329.html
 
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