Official launch date for the Marinaut

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I posted an update to redcrests post Marinaut 215 any updates? but wanted a new thread started about it so this post.

It is really going to happen. I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

I have updated our web site and added the following

24th of March 2010
It has been a long three year process to design and do the tooling for the Marinaut 215 and now all the tooling has been completed.

The design was changed from the original 205 to the 215 and then some minor changes after the initial 215 design as we did the tooling. Those design changes were done to facilitate the assembly process with one exception which is a slightly raised center line of the cabin roof. This was done to give the 6' 4" person head room in the cabin.

There are nine separate molds for the various parts of the Marinaut and they range from fairly simple ones to detailed and substantial ones. The parts for the first boat has been produced and the first Marinaut 215 is going together and should be completed next week with one exception. Our window supplier has told us the first window pack will not be ready until the 12th of April so the completion date for the first boat will be sometime in the second half of April.

Preliminary calculations of our fuel tanks indicate they will be just under 30 gallons each instead of our original 25 gallon estimates. This will be updated when we fill it for the first time.

Our official launch date will be the end of April or the first week in May at Swantown in Olympia, WA. The public is invited and a firm date will be decided early in April. We also plan to have the Marinaut 215 at the C-Brat gathering in Friday Harbor the 14th, 15th and 16th of May 2010.

Photos of the history/build process are Here

I pick up the fuel tanks tomorrow morning at Coastline Equipment in Bellingham, WA.

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Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
That fabrication process show is one of the best "things" or shows I've seen recently. It really gives one an idea of the workmanship and skill it takes to build the first one. You, (Dave,) Ben and Mack show a lot of experience and skill in fabricating the Marinaut.

I would guess that the Tolands grew up building fibreglass boats. What is your background? I really loved the pictures of the extension you put on your boat.

By the way, did anybody make any preliminary or detail drawings of the boat, or was that all done by thumb and eye? Any strength calculations or was it from experience?

Boris
 
Dave - it's looking VERY good and I'm excited that I'll be able to see the finished product (V1.0) soon. There are many very nice and thoughtful features in this boat. With a fuel capacity of nearly 60gals, it should have a range of about 200miles and a safe range of 120+ miles. If one decides to add the optional 36 gal tanks for additional fuel, were up to around 96 gals. That's a range of 300 miles easy.

This could be an ideal boat for those long offshore tuna trips or for those long runs between fuel stops in Alaska, the great loop etc.
 
Pretty cool for a Wahoo, Tuna , Dolphin and endangered [federally]Snapper and Grouper trips off of the Gulf Coast as well! Perhaps more evidence supporting evolution . Not that I have any interest in this project or thoughts about fisheries management, or the boat industry's future ...........
Marc
 
Dave-

What a great engineering and build project!

First class planning and critical thinking all around!

No compromises in quality of materials or workmanship either!

You, Ben, and Mack deserve some sincere pats on the back for a job well done!

Would love to come up and see the first boat at it's launch or at Friday Harbor, but will have to consider the logistics of such a trip from here in Redding.

I'm sure you have a cheering section of fans and want to be boat owners already! Pretty soon you'll have to deal with questions about a 25-6 foot model...!

Congratulations, again!!!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Dave, thanks so much for the photo documentation of this project! I can hardly wait to see it! Don't know if we will make Swantown but Friday Harbor for sure!
 
Wow, so very cool to see the build process!! I 've always been interested in how you go about making a mold for a boat, you did a great job documenting it. And the Marinaut looks great :thup , very interesting ideas, that removable bulkhead is really interesting. After having the 16 I realize how nice it is to not have a door and windows at times. I can't wait to see how she handles.

Sark
 
I will try and answer each of the questions above and comment on some of the comments but it may take a day or so to get to all.
Boris yours was first so I will get to it first.

journey on":2rnck0vy said:
I would guess that the Tolands grew up building fibreglass boats. What is your background? I really loved the pictures of the extension you put on your boat.

By the way, did anybody make any preliminary or detail drawings of the boat, or was that all done by thumb and eye? Any strength calculations or was it from experience?
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Boris – Ben and Mack both have had extensive experience building fiberglass boats. Even though I did not mention it in my post above or on the web site, we had a lot of input and help from John Harum (Tern Boat Works). John has been in the fiberglass business all his life and is also a boat builder; however his major expertise is in repairing boats. He will continue to be instrumental in the building of the Marinaut as well as his top employee Buck Williams who use to work for C-Dory. John’s boat building is primarily larger cats for commercial fishermen off the Hawaiian coast. Bucks experience is an all around boat builder with extensive experience in boat wiring and gel-coat repair. So you can see there is a lot of expertise there for me to use in our building process.

Most of the drawings we did are on our web site. We did some rough sketching for various parts and areas of the boat but they were rough and not necessarily to scale. I did not put those on our web site. Our strength calculations were based on the experiences of the people mentioned above.

My background: I have done just about everything at least once and if I like it, I jump in with both feet. I was never any good at school, always board out of my mind but if I like something, I become an expert in that particular endeavor. Right now it is making the Marinaut into a top class boat. My primary input has been the web site and design of the boat. When I say design, I mean things like “I don’t like the way that looks, let’s change it like so”. I had a lot of input on the style and design of the boat but it is Ben’s craftsmanship that has produced the results.

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Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
rogerbum":2rvg5dcw said:
Dave - it's looking VERY good and I'm excited that I'll be able to see the finished product (V1.0) soon. There are many very nice and thoughtful features in this boat. With a fuel capacity of nearly 60gals, it should have a range of about 200miles and a safe range of 120+ miles. If one decides to add the optional 36 gal tanks for additional fuel, were up to around 96 gals. That's a range of 300 miles easy.

This could be an ideal boat for those long offshore tuna trips or for those long runs between fuel stops in Alaska, the great loop etc.
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Roger – I picked the tanks up today at Coastline in Bellingham. They are Coast Guard certified 30 gallon tanks. They look great. With the two optional 18 gallon tanks and there is a space between the batteries in front of the bilge for a 6 gallon portable tank. That gives a capacity of 102 gallons. We figure the fuel economy should be about the same as the 22 C-Dory. You probably have a better idea of the kind of range we should get than me at this time. Of course with a heavy load your economy will decrease and 102 gallons of fuel plus loaded for a long trip will probably be a heavy load, but that 300 mile range should easily be obtainable.

It has been a while since I have seen you and Joyce. I missed you at the Seattle Boat show CB get together and look forward to seeing you at Friday Harbor, if you don’t make it down for our official launch.
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Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
Dave,

Beautiful boat and great description of the build process with pictures. Wow, what an endeavor! The lines and concept are beautiful and well thought out.

I don't live too far from Tern Boat Works so I may come down and take a peek one day. As I commented a couple of years ago on your site, I would REALLY be interested in a 24-25' Marinaut. We already have a great boat in the 21-22 foot range so I'm thinking, I may as well go bigger!!

No No, I know what you brats are thinking. Sometime in the future, maybe 3-5 years when the bigger Toland boats will be ready. :wink

Peter
 
Dave, I'm impressed with the new boat. It looks like the C-D 22' Cruiser has finally been bested. With any luck I'll see you at Friday Harbor.
But atta boys don't pay the bills. I wish you and your partners success.
 
Dave and Ben and all your support team,
A job well done. I thank you for sharing the project with us and giving all of us interested in boating an inside look at the process. This is a website that will generate a lot of traffic in the boating world and I am sure that lots of new potential customers will follow.
 
Nice boat, gentlemen.

Of particular interest to me is the 15-gal. water tank in the bow. I've been planning on that location for my water storage as well but several people have warned me against it with concerns over boat trim. I'm figuring your full tank won't be much over 130-lbs. I have been planning on storing 20-gal. - around 170-lbs. - in the same general location on my 26-foot Classic (used to be 22-feet).

I'm fairly certain you gave the placement of your tank some thought in terms of boat handling. Can you share the highlights of your rationale?

Thanks

T
 
Sea Wolf":eg9bac3z said:
Pretty soon you'll have to deal with questions about a 25-6 foot model...!
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Joe, Peter and the others that have commented about a larger version of the Marinaut. This is something Ben has been talking about for some time and has even done preliminary designs for such a boat. If we do a larger version of the Marinaut 215, it will be after this boat is finished and successful. So don’t look for a larger version for several years. When we do a survey of the C-Brats about what they like and dislike in the 25 C-Dory and 26 Venture, you will know we are in the planning stage. Don’t start a list just yet because I am not ready.


Papillon":eg9bac3z said:
This is a website that will generate a lot of traffic in the boating world and I am sure that lots of new potential customers will follow.
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Mike – I am well aware of this, that is why we advertise here. We have had inquiries from all over the US and Canada as well as several inquiries from overseas from Poland to New Zealand. The C-Brats are a popular group and the site is accessed from around the world.

Anyone that would like to stop by the shop at Tern Boats is welcome to do so.

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Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
tomherrick":2wejmhy2 said:
Nice boat, gentlemen.

Of particular interest to me is the 15-gal. water tank in the bow. I've been planning on that location for my water storage as well but several people have warned me against it with concerns over boat trim. I'm figuring your full tank won't be much over 130-lbs. I have been planning on storing 20-gal. - around 170-lbs. - in the same general location on my 26-foot Classic (used to be 22-feet).

I'm fairly certain you gave the placement of your tank some thought in terms of boat handling. Can you share the highlights of your rationale?

Thanks

T
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Tom – I don’t recall ever seeing a C-Dory type of boat too heavy in the bow. Most are just the opposite, too heavy in the stern. Many owners place some of their load in the berth to help balance their load and to improve the ride/handling. When the Permitrim became popular, many owners added it to be able to get the bow down. A properly loaded boat should run fairly flat with the engine trimmed in the mid position. If you need some type of trim on the stern to do so would indicate you are light in the bow or heavy in the stern. A performance test will tell for sure, but I believe the Marinaut 215 will come close to achieving this. If you do a search on this site, you will find those owners that have 200 feet of chain in their chain locker comment on how it has improved the performance/ride of their boat. It does not matter what you do, you will always find someone to tell you, you did it wrong. Put your water tank in the bow.

How are you doing on your stretched 22 Classic?


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Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
Dave,

Thanks for taking the time to respond while you must be seriously busy getting the Marinaut ready for launch.

My boat project is about as slow as yours has been; molasses in March... I've nearly got the vacuum pump system built to do the core laminations; maybe a coupla days. After the cores are laminated, it's machining them and joining them; then building the rib forms; then glassing, fairing and painting the hull; flipping right-side up, then working on the interior. But, that's a bit down the road.

I will put the tank in the bow compartment. Looks like a Ronco B486 18-gallon will fit with some foam to cushion it.

Thanks again for your input and corroborating my theories... :wink:

Tom
 
I don't want to hijack this thread but would like to help Tom. Don't worry about the weight forward. On my 23 Venture I removed the 20 gallon water tank under the Port seat and put a 30 gallon tank under the V berth. I was very worried about too much weight forward also. The end result is a better trimmed boat that rides better. One of the best improvements I've made to my boat.

Bill
 
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