No More Politics

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A comment such as that is so innocuous it is really interesting that there would be those upset by it... I think you are trolling - which I think we should frown upon on this board. I might be wrong, and if so I apologize in advance.
Apology accepted.....I am dead serious.

As for how could anyone be upset by such a "innocuous" comment......I find there is a lot of hypocrisy on that issue. For example, more religiously minded people (read....Christian) than I have expressed this same sentiment to me over a sign upon entering a small town that said something like "We are blessed by Jesus". Who could object to such an innocuous sign, right? Well, I bet if I somehow had the power to change that sign into this innocuous statement "May Allah grant you peace", there were be all hell to pay. Here's another example that's been in the news in this state for several years: a high school football coach gives a brief prayer with his team on the 50 yard line before every game. He eventually got fired and the Christian community has been funding his lawsuits ever since. The folks in that town (Bremerton, WA) didn't object apparently. But what if that coach lead his players in a prayer to Allah. What do you think would happen then?

No, it's best to keep statements of religious belief out of the public square since there are many, many religions around the world.....including no religion. Religion is a private affair.
 
Perhaps we should change the name of "That's Life" to "The Airing of the Grievances" and simply not allow any posts at all on it.tresspassing_oil.sized.jpg
 
dotnmarty":18oy9hew said:
. . . Perhaps we should change the name of "That's Life" to "The Airing of the Grievances" . . .]

You may be onto something, Marty. A couple of years ago, we walked across Northern England and came upon this in an alley way in Whitby:

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Right next door, however, was this:

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An interesting juxtaposition. Perhaps a cautionary tale?

Bill
 
WOW, I was gone for 3-4 days and this place really happens.

Some Thoughts.

1. I have to admit that I am not surprised this happened. Mike, Your patience is incomparable.
2. I hoped it wouldn’t happen, but, I think it happened because there were, on occasion personal attacks, that were pointed and derogatory, and to me, surprising coming from our C-BRAT brothers and sisters.
3. I always thought that the C-BRATS were adult enough to be able to disagree on a subject like this as adults, discuss and share and accept that there are differing viewpoints like adults. (“I may not agree with you, but I agree you have the right to believe the way you want to.”)
4. I can sure see Mike’s frustration, and he should not have to be a baby sitter.
5. I can agree with both of these views:

dotnmarty wrote:
Well, I dissent. OK, I know this not a vote. Of course, I will go along with this new policy. Frankly, since we won, I should be happy about it. But I'm not. The serious discussions that went on on this site were knowledgeable and heartfelt on both sides. Truth be told, I learned a lot. In fact. I felt the discussions were more valuable than those on any of the "political" sites. While perhaps not always "nice" they were always respectful. Like it or not politics is a fundamental building block of "That's Life" in this democracy. , and to that I say "thank God". Finally, we are "The C-Brats", formed in the crucible of disagreement. Let us continue to live up to our name and not become a virtual gated community. Thank you

Bill (Noro Lim) wrote:
Well, I am in Marty's camp - always a good place to be. I too will do my best to stick to the new rule. I do want to thank the administrators here for the outstanding job they do. Forgive me if I have inadvertently contributed to any of your heartburn. This is a great place to spend time, and I wouldn't knowingly do anything to make it less so.

I hope I don't sound like Captain Obvious here, but I will make just one observation about the nature of things political: It is really, really, hard to avoid them. I will do my best, and I hope others will as well. Like all laws and rules, this one will require willing compliance by us if it is to work. Let's all try to step clear not only of the big national political issues, but also of the sometimes more provincial ones - like the wisdom or folly of policies related to many activities that directly affect lots of C-Brats. We should all revisit our high school English Comp classes and stick to expository prose regarding public policy on fishing, crabbing, clamming, whale watching, hunting, ethanol in gasoline, marine parks, logging practices, land development, air or water quality, natural habitat management . . . . For my part, I promise to do my best not to editorialize.
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But I do have to disagree with Bill on this one:

“. . . it IS a religious thing with Harvey.”

Bill, It’s not even close to my religion.

My thoughts were that the “That’s Life” forum, not being available unless actually signed in was a safe place to bring up or comment on, non-boating topics. I never expected the personal attacks that have appeared over recent times. Maybe it’s the isolation of the pandemic, or the stress of the countries political situation or the age we are getting to, but tolerance and respect is something we all deserve and should be able to except.

Politics and Religion (of some version or another) is part of our lives and not easy to separate from our daily life, however,

I’ve been here a while, and hope to be for a while longer, and will go along with what the Admin (Mike and Will) put out there as Rules, Guidelines or whatever, with hopes for peace, understanding and freedom.

Harvey
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Add a +1 to the no politics and no religion camp.
The political arguments can tear apart a community in no time and we are just here to talk and read about boats (thank you for making this rule). For the Christians in here you may not understand what goes on in the minds of us non-Christian people whenever you credit your god for anything so you cannot be expected to understand others points of view. That is not meant to be derogatory but instead to point out that opening the door to anyone else expressing their religious beliefs in regards to anything is a slippery slope that could lead us all down some very contentious pathways. If I were to comment with my personal religious beliefs I can guarantee that it would create controversy so as I have done for many years I refrain from speaking up which is a policy that would be best followed by everyone in my humble opinion.
Suffice to say that the only higher power that I have any interest in worshipping on this site is Northwest Marine!
 
this looks like a good thread to air my grievance, We purchased our retirement dream house in Bend last summer and every time I go over there I end up picking up at least one garbage bag full of needles. WTF is this world coming to
 
I did end up bringing in an arborist and had them remove one tree and limb up some of the big ponderosas .. That helped quit a bit
 
smckean (Tosca)":2cnfzw3u said:
Now I have a request. The old saying is "no politics or religion at the dinner table". So now that we have forbidden politics, I'd like to request we drop the other shoe and forbid religious references. No more "this sunset is gorgeous...isn't God marvelous". No more presumption of Christianity implied by uttering the various forms of bless this and bless that, and especially "bless you" since I am not interested in being blessed by others using their god.

It's not a content issue. It's a civility issue, and to a lesser extent - who cleans up after.

I'm trying to remember the last time I had to break up a religious fight around here. Oh yeah, I remember....never.

Maybe we could just keep it that way.
 
Da Nag":20f14idb said:
smckean (Tosca)":20f14idb said:
Now I have a request. The old saying is "no politics or religion at the dinner table". So now that we have forbidden politics, I'd like to request we drop the other shoe and forbid religious references. No more "this sunset is gorgeous...isn't God marvelous". No more presumption of Christianity implied by uttering the various forms of bless this and bless that, and especially "bless you" since I am not interested in being blessed by others using their god.

It's not a content issue. It's a civility issue, and to a lesser extent - who cleans up after.

I'm trying to remember the last time I had to break up a religious fight around here. Oh yeah, I remember....never.

Maybe we could just keep it that way.

Maybe we could just keep it that way.
Thanks Will, :thup :thup

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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I can perhaps understand a warning label on any topic that involves politics or religion or whatever might be controversial, but what I don't understand is why it should bother anyone that such topics are discussed. All you have to do is not click!
 
Da Nag":mi7x3dol said:
It's a civility issue, and to a lesser extent - who cleans up after.
Clearly the "who cleans up after" part is a good goal since that "who" is you. It's a good thing if you won't have to clean up as much; however, adding religion to the "who cleans up after" goal doesn't add to that burden; indeed, it should lessen the burden even more.

OK, you've never had to "clean up" a religious dispute on this forum; but that doesn't mean there haven't been any. Why don't these religious deputes rise to the lack of civility level that the political ones do? Restraint. Folks don't restrain themselves on the political front like they do on the religious front. Why, you ask again. My guess is that for historical reasons the dominant religion in this country is Christian; and like all folks who are part of a overwhelming majority, the majority isn't as sensitive to the needs of the minority as they should be. Allow me to give you an innocuous example.....remember back some 30 or 40 years ago when it was considered very impolite to ask someone to not smoke around you? Indeed, it was quite common for smokers (the equivalent of the majority in this case) to ask "Do you mind if I smoke?" If one answered: "Yes, I do mind; please don't smoke." you were the one considered impolite, unreasonable, and uncivil. Today it's quite different. Today, it is the smoker who is considered impolite. I predict this same shift will occur over the next several decades when it comes to declarations of religious belief and preference. If and when that happens, I think non-religious folk will speak up more and more.....ultimately causing you the same "who cleans up after" problem you have now with politics. Indeed, religious disputes are frequently far less civil than political disputes (think terrorism).
 
I have to agree with Smittypaddler on the previous page. If the post bothers you, move on. If you need to respond, do it respectfully.
 
Hang around here long enough, and you start to think of this place like home. When, in fact, this place is owned by DaNag and Tyboo - it is their home and the rest of us are guests here. If they establish "house rules," it is up to us to respect those rules.
 
TyBoo":vbsd4umg said:
It might be time to remove the No Rules tagline from the front page. From here on out, any political commentary goes straight to the trash.

I learned my lesson about pointless arguments on here quite a few years ago and have been able to refrain from posting that crap ever since. We have been tolerant of a lot of things, much to the chagrin of a vast majority of our active members, but now I am a crotchety old man who would rather click one delete button than explain over and over in email and PM replies why we let it go.

Sorry, but this isn't the place.

First post on the thread. Although, in my mind, the "no politics" decision has come from some people not being able to "just be nice" when they discuss politics. Their house; they get to make or change the rules.

Seems to me that is should be easy to be respectful of our friends' house rules.
 
JamesTXSD":1ls7sycw said:
TyBoo":1ls7sycw said:
It might be time to remove the No Rules tagline from the front page. From here on out, any political commentary goes straight to the trash.

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Seems to me that is should be easy to be respectful of our friends' house rules.

Well, apparently it IS time.
 
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