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Great Falls Boat Works has a 22.5 foot wood boat design coming behind their already being built 20 foot Outer Banks 20 model. Here is the link to the line drawings of the 22.5. http://greatfallsboatworks.com/images/ob226layout.jpg
Here is their home page: greatfallsboatworks.com
I wrote the builder a long email dealing with things I would like to see in a 22-23 boat. Les is looking at a followup to the Marinaut 215 and I see lots of ideas and opinions. Perhaps we could start a forum on dream boats of one or two lengths, say 22'/lower weight and 25'/bit heavier to tow.
Bob Jarrard
 
I would say that this is a step backward--giving up the dinette for a small enclosure for a portipotty.
 
Bob - I agree on giving up the table for the toilet inside but is there a design that keeps both? I think the use of a galley in most boats is limited. On my prior boats I needed a prep surface but I cooked outside and ate outside (and slept outside) all I could. I hate having to clean the interior after every cooking adventure. The Montgomery 17 sailboats have no galley and no table, just two nice recliners and a v-berth. Is there a layout of v-berth, helm, food prep area, head, cockpit, motor well that fits in 22'? I am reluctant to have to buy a new truck to tow a 25' boat and the wife does not like Porta Potti's under her head in the v-berth! Don't you love how often we can chew on the same rag?
Bob
 
Bob - there's really no way to fit a dinette, a galley and a head in a 22 and still have any cockpit left over. I also hated having the porta potty under my head in the V-berth area so on my previous 22 I had a curtain designed that zipped under the camper back and enclosed off a little area in the cockpit. I put the porta potty out there. See this link.
 
Au contraire, it is the dinette we are talking about, and on C-Dorys just about everyone I know uses it all the time. Meals, conversation, card games, reading - the dinette is sort of the center of life aboard on a CD22 or CD25 for people who don't just day cruise.

bobjarrard":36lbvh6n said:
I think the use of a galley in most boats is limited.
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I use my dinette a lot, but you are right dinettes on most boats are not used a lot because they are down below and have no view. when we are anchored out in the San Juans I don't have to choose between having a view or having a table, I have both. On my parents boat we eat on a fold out table on the aft deck. almost never at the dinnete because like most boats the dinette is down in a hole in the dark with out a view.

what I dont like about the boat above is the limited deck space. 4 ft is all you get? really?
 
We just came through another summer on/in/around Journey On. 2 sets of grandkids, new places, a lot of cruising for 10 weeks. We all came through safely, we're all speaking to each other and we all had a good time. There's not another small boat that I could say that about.

The up top cabin is great, both for dining, and cooking. Enclosing the cockpit at night, so you can stay out of the wind and watch the stars. Sleeping 5 is great. I got the cockpit and I'm too old for that, but we all fit. And Max loved sleeping with Gramps. Cruising at 6 or 16 knts. Launching and retrieving to move to another port. Getting across Rosario Strait and into Bellingham Harbour safely when the wind was up. Just getting in and out of Bellingham Bay. Anchoring out in thin water, pulling the engine up. Turning on the Wallis cause this was a cold summer. Bouncing off some rocks and just dinging the propeller.

I know, there's a lot of good boats out there, but Journey On has done so well by us that when someone posts another boat to look at, I go "why?" There are still a lot of wood boats, but why would anyone want one? No dinette? Why? Porta-potty? Oh, sure, we'd fill that daily. Diesel? OK, how much? As for another boat? How much and what's it do better? Owners group? No Whatever-Brats? Sorry, I don't want to be the Lone Ranger.

My apologies to those who post new boats for curiosity. I'm happy to look at them, but there you go. I still like C-Dory.

Boris
 
If the table and seats are raised you get a good view, needs to match the skippers position for sure. I had a 1947 33' sailboat with about as much interior as a C-22, the cockpit was longer but not much more than 6' 6" which left us with enough room for six to eat outside. I like a table and seat myself, we use the one in our HiLo 18' trailer all the time but we also grab a folding chair and go outside under the awning most of the time. I am not sure about not being able to fit all the needed items in 22', especially if you use and Armstrong bracket or push the front windshield over the v-berth. In any case, its fun to think these things over.
Bob
 
Bob, you live in the stumps, like used to, what are you going to do with a boat out there? :lol:
 
All of the C Dory boats allow a good view out the "windows" of the pilot house. There is not that "cave" feeling which comes with many sailboats.

Yes, I sailed for many years--mostly ocean racers up to 55 feet. We did eat in the cockpit (although the boat I grew up on was only 26 feet, and we had a fold down table in the cabin between the two "pipe" berths for eating. Yes, that boat had a full galley, with a 2 burner Kerosene stove, and small sink (no drain, had to dump the SS sink overboard). I have had galleys and substantial tables on the vast majority of the boats I have owned (the exceptions have been open runabouts, where I usually camped on shore).

When we took up full time cruising, we moved to pilot house boats--where the galley was in the pilot house, along with a substantial dinette--which sat 6 to 8 people. The largest boat, we took to Europe, also had a table in a lower saloon--and that was an advantage, since in many ports people like to stare into the cabins--and you want some privacy, even for eating!

Wooden boats out of the 40's are far different than modern (meaning from 1960 on fiberglass boats, which have far greater accommodations. Even a Cal 25 has an enclosed head (not full head room, a galley, and a dinette--more room than the 22.

We also moved the porti potty out from under the bunk at night in the 22, and there are a number of ways of getting privacy using a portipotty.

Lots of boats to explore--but even more places to go!
 
I have owned boats made of many materials, they all have their advantages. I do not like a boat that sweats like a rain forest but I also hate paint and varnish. Metal boats are noisy and stray currents are a real problem. West or similar epoxy takes a lot of worry out of wood but there is still always the issue of what you do not see (just as with cored hull/deck). I have had balsa, foam and every other core give out on me. No one perfect answer but I do like to see new ideas and with five basic models in the C-dory line, you will not hit a home run with everyone. The boats are great but I think one of the major reasons why they are popular and hold their value is the owner base. This is a great forum and the real thing I am sure is even better. One reason to post new boat designs is that we have pretty well chewed the C-dory to the bone, hence all the advice to search older threads. By the way, one nice thing about living in the high desert is that I can shoot out my back door. Also, it is clear almost every night and mold is something we just read about! It may be the stumps but I have a National Park less than a quarter of a mile from the house and we can ride horses for days and never use the same trail twice.
 
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