New to Newport News, VA, considering a C-Dory

Stan/Dot/Marty:

I appreciate the input regarding the 16. We're not really into overnighting at this stage. We launch, explore, then return to home base normally. I can appreciate the fuel consumption and the maintenance aspects of a smaller boat. Given that we never know where we're going next until right before the move, it makes me apprehensive of large purchases, so the lesser cost is even more attractive.

schiavolou:

Didn't know Langley had a marina. I was just in their lemon-lot, they have a Grady-White from the 80s for sale.
 
Fish,

I was on Kent Island today and no C-Dory found for sale. I checked the boat dealer just east of the Bay Bridge and north of Rt 50. I also checked north and south of Rt 50 and no C-Dory found for sale. Maybe Bill can provide additional information.

You have a great dealer in North Carolina, Mobil East Marine, that may be helpful in finding you a used CD 22. I have purchased 2 New C-Dorys from them and the experience has been great. Gene & Carrie run a super operation from purchase through service. There are many C-Brats that have had a positive experience purchasing a boat from them.

Dick
 
Fish,
Don't be a stranger... Please call when you have time and then lets go for a ride in OSPREY. Again don't worry about the cold or the wind as it will be comfortable in the cabin with the heat on.
PS, I'm going to the boat show in VA Beach tomorrow with Art... Sadly there will most likely no boats like a C-Dory to see...all fair weather boats for sure.
Steve
 
FISH;
Sorry we did not hook up at the boat show.

Steve and I went Friday about 1215 and stayed till abt 1350. There wasn't anything I would even consider; especially with the prices I saw. There was a large collection of open fishing and pontoon boats. The Brunswick Line was well represented.

If I was in the market for a trailer, there were at least 3 local dealers/venders there. I did not check their prices too closely for they seemed to be abt the same as last years.

Art
 
Art - I made it up there on Saturday, I too saw nothing that really interested me. Nice boats for sure, just nothing for me.

ssobol - Thanks for the link. I laughed at the line at the bottom of the ad, "don't call and offer 15K....If you don't have 37K that's fine....get the Bayliner"


Was there a design change in 2008 for the 22 Cruiser?
 
As I understand it, the cockpit floor of the older boats follows the shape of the hull. You are standing on the very bottom of the boat. It can be fatiguing to stand on the slanted floor for long periods. Starting in 2006 the factory started adding panels that made the cockpit floor level. These were removable and could be taken out for cleaning both the panels and space underneath. Since there was a gap reasonable amounts of water could run under the panels (through the gaps) and leave a dry floor in the cockpit. Around 2008 the factory started building the boats with a flat floor in the cockpit (mine has this). This floor is sealed to the hull, is not removable, and leaves not place for any water in the cockpit to drain off the floor (other than the bilge pump sump). On the boats with the factory flat floor, there is a gap between the edge of the floor and the aft bulkhead of the cabin. Water that comes off the front of the floor can get in this gap and end up inside the cabin. The cure for this is to fill this gap with a good sealant.

Starting around the 2008 boats, the factory stopped putting foam in the compartments under the berth and put in hatches for each compartment. This was a fairly common mod by owners of older boats and the factory started doing it as well.

Also, around this time, the factory started making the boats with a reversible forward seat on the left side (observer seat). The seat can be arranged to sit facing forward or facing aft for the dinette. My boat has this feature, but so far we've never used it. We just leave the seat set up for the dinette.

The other big change around this time was changing the interior material from Deccagard (a laminate) to molded fiberglass. This probably makes the interior more durable.
 
ssobol":xdyee0qd said:
As I understand it, the cockpit floor of the older boats follows the shape of the hull. You are standing on the very bottom of the boat. It can be fatiguing to stand on the slanted floor for long periods. Starting in 2006 the factory started adding panels that made the cockpit floor level. These were removable and could be taken out for cleaning both the panels and space underneath. Since there was a gap reasonable amounts of water could run under the panels (through the gaps) and leave a dry floor in the cockpit. Around 2008 the factory started building the boats with a flat floor in the cockpit (mine has this). This floor is sealed to the hull, is not removable, and leaves not place for any water in the cockpit to drain off the floor (other than the bilge pump sump). On the boats with the factory flat floor, there is a gap between the edge of the floor and the aft bulkhead of the cabin. Water that comes off the front of the floor can get in this gap and end up inside the cabin. The cure for this is to fill this gap with a good sealant.

Starting around the 2008 boats, the factory stopped putting foam in the compartments under the berth and put in hatches for each compartment. This was a fairly common mod by owners of older boats and the factory started doing it as well.

Also, around this time, the factory started making the boats with a reversible forward seat on the left side (observer seat). The seat can be arranged to sit facing forward or facing aft for the dinette. My boat has this feature, but so far we've never used it. We just leave the seat set up for the dinette.

The other big change around this time was changing the interior material from Deccagard (a laminate) to molded fiberglass. This probably makes the interior more durable.

ssobol-

Hi!

Nice summary!

Not to be contrary, but I'd like to offer a different opinion on the two red toned (my addition) statements above.

First, standing on the inside of the outer hull is less work, less tiring, and offers a more secure feeling than walking around on the raised floor of the later boats.

The curved floor is the same height as the floor inside the cabin, and no step-up or step-down operation is involved in the transition, and you're less likely to bump your "noggin" on the door frame going in or out as well (!)

The curvature of the floor is very mild (2 degrees of "V" at the transom), and one becomes unaware of any significant floor curvature after becoming familiarized with moving about in the boat.

Lastly, being further down inside the hull offers a much more secure feeling than walking around on a raised platform type floor. This became apparent to us old timers when the raised floor inserts first became available. TyBoo was the first to mention it.

Now imagine raising that floor another 10-15 inches and yourself out fishing for albacore in some nasty wind driven chop and swells. Your knees are now even with or even above the top of the gunnels. Is being higher in the cockpit a good thing? Why do they put raised hand rails around the CD-25 and Tomcat, both with similar raised floors?

Nonetheless, the raised floor does have a real advantage in removing water from the from the cockpit, and this was the primary reason it was developed and added. Many C-Brants have designed built their own floor additions to solve that same problem over the years.

Secondly, the fiberglass insert is perhaps more durable than the DecaGard (3/4" marine plywood covered with a Formica like wood grained plastic surface) original cabinetry, but is much harder to modify for DIY customization projects, which has been the major objection to the newer arrangement.

Thanks for listening, just thought I'd add these comments to offer another view /opinion to your fine comments.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I have the removable flat floor panels in my 22. Personally, I find them a great option since my feet don't get wet when the boat ships a little water.
 
Sea Wolf":2jstrrmh said:
Lastly, being further down inside the hull offers a much more secure feeling than walking around on a raised platform type floor. This became apparent to us old timers when the raised floor inserts first became available. TyBoo was the first to mention it.

Now imagine raising that floor another 10-15 inches and yourself out fishing for albacore in some nasty wind driven chop and swells. Your knees are now even with or even above the top of the gunnels. Is being higher in the cockpit a good thing? Why do they put raised hand rails around the CD-25 and Tomcat, both with similar raised floors?

Joe. :teeth :thup

The raised floor panels only raised the floor about 1.5-2 inches in the CD22. The factory flat floor is the same height. Due to the shape of the hull the rise at the front is a bit higher than that at the back. The does result in a slight step down when going into the cabin, but it is not very noticeable. Having the floor raised 10-15 inches would be a much bigger deal and probably require a step when going into the cabin. However, having the floor raised that much would probably allow the cockpit to be self draining.
 
ssobol":2t18blyq said:
. Starting in 2006 the factory started adding panels that made the cockpit floor level.

These removable panels were an available option from the factory before 2006 as I ordered them in 2003 for our new 2004. Personally, I wouldn't be without them as we didn't have any such panels on our previous 16' and used another less desirable method to attempt to level the floor and keep our feet dry.
 
Just checking in to say that I appreciate the continued discussion and information. I did try to search for information about the floor, which I'm sure is out there, but I came up short. Thanks again!
 
I'm going to add a bit more, sort it out by typing it out:

I've come to a few possible conclusions or realizations about choosing a boat for us.

Regarding C-Dory, the 22, even used, is a bit more than I want to spend (why I haven't called Steve yet). My comfort zone is around 15-25K. Then there's the 16, which might be fine for my young family. However, when we have visitors, I've read on the forum elsewhere that four adults+ on a 16 is not optimal.

Beyond C-Dory, I'm all over the map with my thoughts on watercraft, starting with kayaks like Hobie's Tandem Island. Hell, a jet ski would get us around to see all the things we want to see on the water, and get us out exploring. Then I start thinking, well, if I'd buy a jet ski, then why not a really small boat like a 15' BW Super Sport or a 14' Rossiter, even a RHIB. Then, the brain says, ok, if I buy a small boat like that, why not go just a little bigger so family and friends can go along. Then there's the consideration of weather protection and a head (enter C-Dory). Or would a bimini suit our needs?

All that has to be cut off somewhere, and it seems like the most logical place to do so is to not consider visiting family and friends. Get something that suits the family alone for the time being.

Those mental gymnastics I go through point me to the 16, or maybe the 19.

Anyone else been where I'm at with this right now? I welcome your thoughts and criticisms, my wishy-washiness comes from a strong desire to make the best possible choice I can for us to start exploring all of this water we're surrounded by!

Fish
 
I would just point out that the 19 footer is not a lengthened 16 footer.. It, the 19, is, rather, a shortened 22 footer. That is to say that the 16 and 19 are two distinctly different boats. I think it is time for you to try to look at and ride on these boats. Good luck in your search.
 
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