New Dory, New user, Unbelievable story!

lupette":23by7cci said:
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Here are a few more questions:

The fishfinder is a hummingbird 200DX. It seemed to be finding fish everywhere. This seemed a bit odd to me and then it went suddenly from about 300+ feet to between 3 ft and 5 ft. It made us think we were about to hit something! We slowed way down and eventually it went back to recording the full depth of the water. We never saw anything below us in the water. Could this be a freshwater fish finder that doesn't operate well in saltwater? Or was there really a shoal or something under us? We were somewhere between McNeil Island and the SW tip of Fox Island when this happened. Any ideas?
In most installations, the sonar won't be useful at speeds over about 7-ish knots (actual speed varies greatly depending on location of mount, surrounding structures etc). Bubbles, air gaps etc can all cause big problems in getting accurate readings. Once you are familiar with the overall topography of the area (either from chart reviews or from your GPS with installed charts), the sonar is generally not used for depth finding in deep water unless you are travelling slowly (as in trolling for example). That is, if you're sure the bottom is far below you, the sonar isn't needed unless you are looking for fish, at which time you must go fairly slow anyway.

In addition, most sonars will only read to a certain depth which is limited by the power and frequency of the sonar. The hummingbird dx200 should read depths to about 600 feet but there are places in the sound that are deeper than that and I find that my sonar (also rated to 600ft) doesn't always read accurately when I am in water exceeding 480 feet. The usual symptoms of "loosing the bottom" on the sonar is that it tries to find the bottom (there's some computer algorithm searching for the bottom signal) and often puts out numbers that are meaningless - e.g. way too shallow.

Other things that can result in way too shallow readings -
Temperature inversions or strong temperature gradiants in the water
Weeds and other stuff in tide lines
big and thick schools of fish (this is a good thing - doesn't happen too often)
Seals/sea lions passing beneath the boat.

Finally also note that your sonar will pick up signals from adjacent sonars - this typically happens when boats are within 50 yds of each other. On my unit, the result of interference from another sonar, is something that looks like scattered small fish from top to bottom.

In general, the best way to get a feel for the conditions underwhich the sonar reads correctly is use it a slow speeds while following a contour or known depth (easily done with a GPS, accomplishable with a chart when the bottom contours closely follow the visible shoreline) - increase the speed until you know that the reading is incorrect, slow back down and see how long it takes to recover. Do this a few times and you'll know the speeds at which you can trust the sonar readings. Then go to increasingly deep water a few times and see at what depth the sonar goes nuts.

Finally, note that most sonars have a number of settings that influence the gain and sensitivity and most have "fully auto" modes and manual modes for some or all of the settings. On my sonar, the fully auto mode for depth range often jumps to an inappropriate range for the depth I am at and then the sonar reads incorrectly (usually the sonar jumps to a shallow range when I'm in deep water). I find I get more reliable readings by setting the range manually.

Roger on the SeaDNA
 
Congrat's on you new aquistion. One thing that is a must is a VHF radio. It could be either a handheld, which if you got the kind that would accept an outide anttena would do great or a fixed mount unit.
As for charts, I would suggest Chart # 18445 for Puget Sound. I have most of the large charts, but use this mostl the time. Good luck on your adventures.
 
There is a post somewhere among the all on this site that someone :? has posted their solution to this. :) I also have a 16 ft. angler :roll: have the same thoughts as what to do with the anchor and the stuff that goes with it :? . Maybe some of the others here will remember where it is at :embarrased . My remeberer is not as good as it use to be :smileo .
 
Your explanation about the fish finder was is sooooooo helpful. Thank you so much for your time and thoroughness in explaining all this! I am somewhat certain now that the shallow readings were the "looking for the bottom" thing that you described. We were getting deeper as we headed toward and into the narrows just before the bridge. Thanks again.
 
I keep my anchor and line in the stern, between the battery and gas tank. I toss it from the stern and for short stays simply tie off a stern cleat. If overnight I toss, it hits bottom, I walk the line to the bow cleat.

I believe Da Nerd has found a way to surmount such complexity.
 
That fishfinder should cover most of your needs in the sound. Since you were running at speed when the problem occured I would look at the transducer mounting. It is possible that when underway at speed the transducer doesn't get a clean flow of water around it. You can try mounting it lower on the transom or, if it is close to a strake move it so that it gets cleaner water at speed. As Roger stated bubles and air gaps cause big problems with getting good readings!

Like Roger I almost always use a fixed setting on my fish finder. This allows me to zoom into the depths I am likely to be looking for fish. For instance I often fish Sekiu in 400' - 500' of water but the fish are usually less than 80' deep. So I set my finder to only show the top 80' of water.
 
Just remember that when a fishfinder gets confused it won't admit that it doesn't know the answer, it will just keep spitting out useless information. I know lots of people like that.
 
Way to go on Fox Island with Island Fox! :thup Catman, Bill and Evelyn with the experiences with Braveheart and Scorpio Lyle, and of course C-Run Robbie have boatloads of great info for you and your 16. And are even nighbors pretty much! Are you members of Fox island Y.C.too? We are at T.O.A. here. Enjoy and hope to see ya on the water. We are gonna be at Jarrell's cove this weekend with T.O.A. but will be on the lookout to do some cruising with our C-Brats too.
 
Rogerbum --
We concur with your approach. We carry redundant GPS chartplotters and that's how we navigate. Yes, we have a handheld compass and carry paper charts for backup, but seldom use either -- and certainly wouldn't use either in bad storm, fog, or night-time conditions -- we have the GPS Chartplotters and they are the very best method of navigating, bar none. (We do have, however, a radar to help in low-visibility conditions -- only had to use it three or four times and even then, like you, we duck the shipping channels), if possible). So, we're with you.
 
Congrats and welcome to the club. Its great to see the zeal of a new owner coming into the C-Dory fold. I'd like to add to the great ideas already posted here. Every year when I put my boat in I usually avoid going into the open ocean and actually look for a nice calm lake. The first cruise is normally the most likely for problems and I like to be somewhere comfortable if anything does go wrong. Lakes normally have low traffic, fewer hazards, and offer a great place to concentrate on your boat and not all the frieghters, ferries, fishing boats, pleasure boats, ect. around you in the ocean.
I like to call fish finders, depth sounders. I usually bottom fish and the ability for them to located fish on the bottom is highly unlikely. Finding the depth and underwater ridges is the single most important aspect in catching halibut IMO. So depending on what your use of your boat may be you might consider a better sounder. My monochrome Foruno depth sounder has a max depth of 1000' I believe and I have no problems finding and keeping a solid picture at LOW speeds, even beyond 600' range. As mentioned before the transducer which sends and receives the signal in normally mounted on the transom so "noise" is common at cruise speeds or when in reverse. Also the sounders as mentioned before have many different setting and a manual is handy if not a must to use to its full capabilities.
I hope you enjoy your boat,
Shaun
 
I have the 16 cruiser. I have the humminbird matrix 27. I like it. I already had a garmin handheld GPS and the matrix can use the GPS data when I plug the handheld into the fishfinder. It is so nice to have a breadcrumb trail of my travels. I mark hot spots as waypoints etc. It also functions as a compass. Too sweet. Wifey made some nice storage covers in plaid (stole the idea from Chuck S. on the amelia ann) that cover up the spaces under the seats. Velcro'ed on. I leave my fortress anchor on the bow roller, fluke's up. I bungee it to the cleat. My anchor rode and line is neatly rolled and bungee'd to cockpit hand rail. I leave the tag end in the cockpit and walk the connecting end to the anchor and over she goes. I also installed a cigarette lighter type 12V socket in the dash to power various equipment. I laugh now but I was frustrated that I could not turn the co-pilots seat all the way around. My wife just moved the little table one socket forward and had the seat swiveling around like it should. Why I did not see that, I don't know. Yeesh.
I am very surprised how the little boat can take a chop. Sometimes it makes you want to push it just to see how much it can take. We have taken some water over the top into the cockpit. Neither of us are too adventurous, but the scare factor is way down. We hope you enjoy your boat as much as we do.
 
lupette":tjyygwwa said:
I plan to store Island Fox

Now why is that name so dear to me... :wink: Great name :!: it's about time there was another "Fox" on this site :thup :love Really fits a C-Dory don't it. Foxy little boats they is mon :mrgreen:

Nice story! Looks like there are no more "dummies" out there I will be tryin ta buy a used one from :cry everyone that has a C-Dory knows better. Cult boat I tell ya... cult boat :lol: :mrgreen: :beer :cigar
 
Hi to all of you who have posted such wonderful advice here. I have already used many of your suggestions and plan to use many more.

Just wanted to let you all know that Island Fox is a GREAT boat! We took her out again today. We went to Pitt Island where the native littlenecks and crabs were plentiful and we got ourselves a wonderful dinner! We also stopped at Wickfield (sp?) Shoal and a small island near Raft Island who's name I don't know but that sports a great sandy spit at low tide. It was a fabulous day and the Fox was the BEST!

BTW - We already got good use out of the anchor buddy that we made this morning by following the great directions on this site. It worked perfectly! Thanks to all of you who explained that system so well!

Hope to meet all of ya someday out there on the water! Until then . . . happy cruising javascript:emoticon(':teeth')
Teeth
 
I too traveled a bit for my C-Dory's... and the worst mistake I made with my 16'er was selling her. That is one tuff, great boat that is way simple to drag around anywhere, and needs little water and less fuel to operate. I was in one of those wonderful touchy-feely courses the Army made me go to... they thought I was too direct with others.... wow.... I thought I had joined the military, not the ballet. anywho..... drove from Cocco Beach Fl to about 70 miles north of Daytona beach, laid down cash for the boat, finished my sweet little course, still too direct but retired to fix that.... drove home to Alabama to get my tow vehicle, drove full circle in a day to get Jabez home. Then, sold her the day I was leaving AL to go to Oak Harbor WA to pick up FreeByrd, and drive her back across our Great Country. ......and have been known to travel a bit to be around some gatherings too.... You will love your new vessel. Take advantage of the other owners so close to you. I almost teared up a bit when I saw Brave Heart pulling from her slip on departure from the Blakely Gathering we just enjoyed..... Must have been a combination of the love I had for Jabez, that great couple I had just met that were loving life on their 16' C-Dory....and that lovely 3 weeks in touch-feely classes in Cocco Beach FL.....which is what got this whole C-Dory life of mine started.... that class was good for me... :D
Byrdman on FreeByrd in Bama
TC24, Hull #51
 
I would suggest that you check the NOAA weather on your marine radio before leaving the dock. Pay particular attention to wave height and the chance of fog. When in doubt, wait it out! Make sure your horn works (does a sixteen footer have a horn?) and have an extra compressed air horn and a whistle available. Always wear your life vest. Make sure your running lights work. Take your charged cell phone with you and load the coast guard's phone number in it. If an expensive GPS is not in your budget, get the cheap one, less than $100. It will give you your longitude and latitude and you can then find out where you are by marking them on your chart. Enjoy that great little boat
 
Picked up a Garmin 188 GPS/Sounder on clearance at Gander Mountain. Overhead mount in the middle of the windshields. Works great. Lights up the cabin at night. I fish in 60-200 feet of water, and the sounder works great at a pretty quick speed. Gives you speed and water temp also.
 
Terri,

I'm so glad to hear your boat is working out well and that you're happy with it! ( For those who may be interested... I own the dealership she bought the boat from in Indiana. )

If you're still having trouble with the drain plug, let me know. I'll be happy to send you one. If you need anything at all... lets us know!

I'm glad to have caught your post... It's considerably harder to keep track of our customers when they're 3000+ miles away...

Good Luck!
 
8) HEH! It's really a small world online! Nice to hear from you . . . and yes we luv the boat! No problems with the drain plug. . . we just bought a couple more so we'd have a spare. We've had a blast so far with the boat. The title arrived yesterday so next week I'll get her registered.

Hope things are well with you. BTW - this would be a good place to advertise those other two C-Dory's that you're selling. A lot of people monitor this site looking for a Dory to buy.

Catchya later! Terry :wink
 
Thanks for the endorsement! I do appreciate the plug... However, I do not have a C Dory for sale... They're all gone!

At this time, we are not a C Dory dealer... Triggered by the success we have had with the used boats, we have contacted C Dory for information about becoming a dealer. More on that to follow...
 
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