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Wandering Sagebrush
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Paul, first... Welcome to the group!
The only person I know that had a 130 on a CD25 said that it felt underpowered. I believe there have been similar comments here on the forum, but hopefully the folks with 25s will offer first hand observations.
If I were to buy a 25, I'd want to put a 200 on it, with an appropriate kicker. You don't have to use all the horsepower, but it's sure nice to have it if you need it. E.G. Crossing a river bar with a following wave.
The only person I know that had a 130 on a CD25 said that it felt underpowered. I believe there have been similar comments here on the forum, but hopefully the folks with 25s will offer first hand observations.
If I were to buy a 25, I'd want to put a 200 on it, with an appropriate kicker. You don't have to use all the horsepower, but it's sure nice to have it if you need it. E.G. Crossing a river bar with a following wave.
journey on
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There are 3 Honda motors that C-dory 25's have been fitted with.
The 130 is an older motor, stopped in ~2003. No comment on that one though I've heard no complaints.
Starting in '05 the C-dory factory recommended the 135 and offered the 150. Basically, they're the same engine, up to 4000 rpm. Then the 150 shifts the cam timing and generates the extra 15 horses. Other then that, they're identical.
I bought the 150 for the same reason this post was made. 130 hp is fine for a C-dory 25, the 135 is the same as a 150 where we cruise, but people want the most they can get. So the 150 has become the standard. Anything less and there are questions.
The 200 is a 6 cyl. Hanging that on the back of a C-dory 25 is overkill. More weight which the 25 doesn't like, costs more and you'll never need it. Sorry if I offended anyone.
Hondas are great motors, but remember to maintain them regularly. Primarily change the oil, including the gearcase and the internal fuel filters. Flush them after salt water. I try to do 2 out of the 3.
Boris
The 130 is an older motor, stopped in ~2003. No comment on that one though I've heard no complaints.
Starting in '05 the C-dory factory recommended the 135 and offered the 150. Basically, they're the same engine, up to 4000 rpm. Then the 150 shifts the cam timing and generates the extra 15 horses. Other then that, they're identical.
I bought the 150 for the same reason this post was made. 130 hp is fine for a C-dory 25, the 135 is the same as a 150 where we cruise, but people want the most they can get. So the 150 has become the standard. Anything less and there are questions.
The 200 is a 6 cyl. Hanging that on the back of a C-dory 25 is overkill. More weight which the 25 doesn't like, costs more and you'll never need it. Sorry if I offended anyone.
Hondas are great motors, but remember to maintain them regularly. Primarily change the oil, including the gearcase and the internal fuel filters. Flush them after salt water. I try to do 2 out of the 3.
Boris
Welcome, We have the 130 on our 2004 model and are totally happy with the power and speed. We've had it for a year and have taken several trips of more than a hundred miles up and down the east coast of Florida under varied weather conditions and it has been flawless. I wouldn't worry about getting a 130 as far as performance is concerned. Good Luck, Bob
Avidmagnum12
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Paul
The big question is what is the main purpose of the boat for you. I know folks that seldom do more than 7 knots with their 25 for day trips. Most any motor will do. For the average owner a 130, 135 or 150 is going to work well. But add a lot of weight and a thunder storm coming my way and I'd want a 150 or more!
When my wife and I go SCUBA diving the weight adds up quick. Our 25 came with a 200 HP Yamaha and we love it. Runs nice at displacement and will top out at well over 35 kmh. Yea....I know that's too fast. But it cruises nicely at 20 kmh at about 4000 rpm. And if I need more it's there.
Would I have bought one with less than 150 hp......no.....but my wife and I tend to run a heavy boat when we dive. And I like power to spare. :lol:
My Yamaha 200 HPDI weighs less than a Honda 150 according to book figures. So weight does not have to be a problem.
Have fun shopping for your 25! Tom
The big question is what is the main purpose of the boat for you. I know folks that seldom do more than 7 knots with their 25 for day trips. Most any motor will do. For the average owner a 130, 135 or 150 is going to work well. But add a lot of weight and a thunder storm coming my way and I'd want a 150 or more!
When my wife and I go SCUBA diving the weight adds up quick. Our 25 came with a 200 HP Yamaha and we love it. Runs nice at displacement and will top out at well over 35 kmh. Yea....I know that's too fast. But it cruises nicely at 20 kmh at about 4000 rpm. And if I need more it's there.
Would I have bought one with less than 150 hp......no.....but my wife and I tend to run a heavy boat when we dive. And I like power to spare. :lol:
My Yamaha 200 HPDI weighs less than a Honda 150 according to book figures. So weight does not have to be a problem.
Have fun shopping for your 25! Tom
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On the failure of the thrust bearing on Anna Leigh's motor, let's address that. Here's what I found.
First, as we all know, the Honda 150 is an Accord auto 2.5 l, 4 cyl. engine turned on end. So there's vertical thrust along the crankshaft's axis that isn't there in an automotive application. The Honda's designers installed a thrust bearing at the bottom of the crank. Version 1.0 wasn't strong enough and there were failures. Honda has redesigned that item in later models, Version 2.0. Journey On (and I) have one of the earlier. The Honda V-6, another Accord engine, has the same problem to a higher degree. Google Cruisers Forum or The Hull Truth for the V-6 details.
When at Two Harbours, Catalina Isle, I checked with the outboard shop there. Yes, they have one and they're a Honda dealer. They service all the Honda 150's used by the Harbour Patrol, which run 24/7, going from idle to full bore. His comment was that while he's never had one go, he understands that has happened. He had 2 suggestions. First was to change the oil and filter regularly. Second was to buy a newer model. I'm following, and have followed, the first suggestion. Small engines need clean oil because they're stressed more. Clean oil helps them survive. Learned that a long time ago, the hard way.
Since both the Avalon and Two Harbours harbor patrol have had good service from Honda 150's my suggestion is to maintain those engines and quit worrying.
Another comment on the Honda 150 is corrosion of the thermostat housing. Apparently it happens if you don't flush the motor regularly after salt water use. Honda recommends leaving the engine in an upright condition (trimmed down all the way,) immediately after pulling the boat so the thermostat housing can drain. The thermostat housing has been redesigned and a C-Brat has installed the new housing, but had to buy a new cam cover.
My 150 corroded and I rebuilt the corroded area with JB Weld, an aluminum filled epoxy. Has lasted for the last 7 years.
All of the Japanese 4-strokes have some design flaw that needs to be watched. These are the Honda's. And obviously, the newest engine's have been upgraded.
And, yes, C-Dory 25's are sensitive to weight. I thought that Judy was the world's best packer, but I now defer to Avidmagnum12. I'd love to see a picture of the waterline on that boat, loaded.
Boris
First, as we all know, the Honda 150 is an Accord auto 2.5 l, 4 cyl. engine turned on end. So there's vertical thrust along the crankshaft's axis that isn't there in an automotive application. The Honda's designers installed a thrust bearing at the bottom of the crank. Version 1.0 wasn't strong enough and there were failures. Honda has redesigned that item in later models, Version 2.0. Journey On (and I) have one of the earlier. The Honda V-6, another Accord engine, has the same problem to a higher degree. Google Cruisers Forum or The Hull Truth for the V-6 details.
When at Two Harbours, Catalina Isle, I checked with the outboard shop there. Yes, they have one and they're a Honda dealer. They service all the Honda 150's used by the Harbour Patrol, which run 24/7, going from idle to full bore. His comment was that while he's never had one go, he understands that has happened. He had 2 suggestions. First was to change the oil and filter regularly. Second was to buy a newer model. I'm following, and have followed, the first suggestion. Small engines need clean oil because they're stressed more. Clean oil helps them survive. Learned that a long time ago, the hard way.
Since both the Avalon and Two Harbours harbor patrol have had good service from Honda 150's my suggestion is to maintain those engines and quit worrying.
Another comment on the Honda 150 is corrosion of the thermostat housing. Apparently it happens if you don't flush the motor regularly after salt water use. Honda recommends leaving the engine in an upright condition (trimmed down all the way,) immediately after pulling the boat so the thermostat housing can drain. The thermostat housing has been redesigned and a C-Brat has installed the new housing, but had to buy a new cam cover.
My 150 corroded and I rebuilt the corroded area with JB Weld, an aluminum filled epoxy. Has lasted for the last 7 years.
All of the Japanese 4-strokes have some design flaw that needs to be watched. These are the Honda's. And obviously, the newest engine's have been upgraded.
And, yes, C-Dory 25's are sensitive to weight. I thought that Judy was the world's best packer, but I now defer to Avidmagnum12. I'd love to see a picture of the waterline on that boat, loaded.
Boris
Larry Patrick
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Good luck with boat will be nice to have extra room ,shower and head.
Don on the Knotty-C, a 2005 25' Cruiser just repowered with a 200hp Suzuki last year from a Honda 150 (I think) and absolutely loves the new motor. He says it's a whole different boat. I don't know the weight difference but he also has a huge Yeti type cooler in the cockpit and says the boat handles it just fine. Hopefully Don will chime in.
Jack in Alaska
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I have a 200 hp Honda on my 26' ProAngler which is very similar to the 25'. My motor is on a bracket. I feel that the 200 is over powering and a 150 would do the job. THe 200 is not a detriment but maybe a bit of an overkill. It was not my choice. Was on the boat when I purchased it.
My friend, a charter owner, has a 250 hp on his boat just like mine. It is way over powered. Only motor available when his previous 200 "grenaded" during charter season.
Another friend has a 26' CD cabin cruiser (same hull) with a 200 hp Yamaha. He is satisfied with his.
All FYI......
My friend, a charter owner, has a 250 hp on his boat just like mine. It is way over powered. Only motor available when his previous 200 "grenaded" during charter season.
Another friend has a 26' CD cabin cruiser (same hull) with a 200 hp Yamaha. He is satisfied with his.
All FYI......
Yes I repowered the 25 2 summers ago. Went from a Suzuki 140 to a Suzuki 200. Love it. Right at 200 hours on the hour meter. Have a 150 qt Pelican cooler. The boat will do 38 knots but I like to cruise at 20 knots at 4000 RPM. Also added the cockpit helm and had the fuel tank replaced. Fuel capacity went from 107 gal. to 113. I run the boat pretty heavy esp. on the trips to Alaska. The 140 was always running wide open, now the 200 runs at 2/3 max RPM with plenty of power to spare. Good luck on your decision.
Don
Don