Need Feedback on Rack Idea (photos)

dloop

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I posted this on Tugnuts but I was hoping to get a bit more feedback and suggestions from experienced folks here too.

Here is a idea I have for a cover and kayak rack. I need to stay clear of the support cables on top of the roof.

Front Rack:

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Back rack and cover:

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Yakima Hull Raiser Kayak Racks:

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Kayak (17' 45 lbs)

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Thanks Dave
 
If I understand the concept you are illustrating on your 21, you have one Yakima crossbar over the cabin, and another over a bimini support, which is over the cockpit and a kayak rack on both. Is that correct? What I would be concerned about, assuming I understand your concept, is that there is no lateral support for the bimini, and a lot of weight up there to provide inertial force. A standard bimini frame is constructed to provide strength for canvas, not for a 50-100# kayak.

If I am misunderstanding your concept, please explain further!

Warren
 
Warren.

You have the concept right. Actually I would like to have this strong enough with sufficient support for two kayaks :shock: if possible (one on each side)

Any suggestions you & others can provide would be appreciated.

dave
 
Hi Charlie,

I was thinking it would be permanent as that would probably allow it to be built stronger and more stable.

I don't trailer this boat either.

dave
 
Dave, there's an R29 that had a permanant hardtop built somewhere there in the PNW, I think it's a yellow hull and there are pictures. May have been Karma. I'm surprised you didn't get more response from the tuggers.

Charlie
 
I'm with Warren...I'd not be comfortable at all with any weight aft on that structure. In order to gain adequate support that would withstand wind loads, I'd think you would be looking at something far more substantial - and expensive.

i've been looking at various ways people have been attaching kayaks to 22's for the last few years, but thought of something a couple weeks ago that is intriguing...and might work on your's as well. It's dirt cheap, with nothing permanent required.

You've likely seen the foam blocks used for car top carriers for canoes. My thought is to get a couple foam blanks, and sculpt them as necessary for my rooftop and whatever kayak I end up with. The finishing touch - Rok Straps. I just discovered these for a motorcycle trip I'm about to take, and they would seem to be perfect for the marine environment. They hold like nobody's business...once side of the strap is rubber, so shifting loads don't result in them loosening. And, they have no metal parts to corrode, simple loop ends that would easily lash around handholds or rails, and they go off/on in seconds. They've a pretty stellar reputation in the motorcycle community, and they've performed well in off-road situations that are far more extreme than I'd expect to encounter on the water.

If you tried the above and it fails, you're not out much $$. However, if it works - you could then get a more traditional frame and canvas for the rear, that would be less expensive and more flexible - having the ability to go on/off in a few minutes, as opposed to a permanent structure. If the front of this canopy were designed such that it could easily be removed from the aft cabin, you could also fetch your kayak easily were it up there.

Let us know what you end up with...Ranger or C-Dory, many projects such as this cross over with minimal changes.
 
Thanks everyone!!

I have gotten some good ideas from other Tuggers too. I'm trying to get as much good advice as possible and I know the community here is much larger.

The Karma team (Dave & Maureen) are wonderful and have a beautiful 29 with a hard top. It's possible I could go the hardtop route but I think questions for how to build a solid support for it and the kayaks on the R21 are still there. But I think I will contact the folks they had build theirs. I remember they posted that information a while back.

DaNag thanks for you thoughts too. These kayaks are 17 feet long (already built them) and I'm worried that if I use foam/roof method on the short R21 roof that the ends of the kayaks will not have enough support. Maybe bow/stern tie downs would be sufficient. I'll have to think about his again. It would be cheaper that is true :)

dave
 
Da Nag":3dy0436c said:
The finishing touch - Rok Straps. I just discovered these for a motorcycle trip I'm about to take, and they would seem to be perfect for the marine environment.
Bill, the RokStraps look cool. I have been using a similar product, Shockles, for for tying down my dinghy. Not saying they are better than the RokStraps, just wanted to get them mentioned. The disadvantage of the Shockles is that there is a minimum length that they will shorten to that is sometimes too long. Will be interested in learning what the minimum is for the RokStraps as the web page does not specify minimum nor maximum.

Warren
 
Doryman":ywxes9fd said:
Will be interested in learning what the minimum is for the RokStraps as the web page does not specify minimum nor maximum.

They come in different sizes - mine are advertised as 18-54", and I picked up a two-pack HERE. I just checked the minimum length, and that's probably pretty close. Since they use a loop though connection on each end, there's a bit of variance depending on what you are wrapping them around...it's about 13" total end to end using the small rails on my motorcycle. Adding another 5" given the need to stretch the rubber, brings it up to the 18" advertised minimum.

Looks like they make a 15' max length as well - here's a link at Amazon. Looks just like my shorter ones, with the length being added on the non-rubber side. If longer lengths are needed, one could probably just loop multiple straps together.
 
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