My stupid near death accident report

rogerbum

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I was out fishing with a buddy this weekend on his boat. We went out of Westport. On Sunday AM, he, his two nephews, his sister and myself were all out for some salmon fishing. The bar crossing was relatively uneventful and we went N to fish W of the casino on shore. We were joined by a relatively large group of other boats. Fishing was slow with the occasional nice king salmon being caught. We landed three, 2 hatchery and one wild – all in the 12-15lb range.

As the morning went on we were trolling south and eventually made our way back to near the mouth of the bar. On the South side of the bar there is a jetty and the W end of the jetty is sunk about 15’ under water. That area is often a good ling cod and rock cod fishing spot, especially at slack tide. My buddy wanted to fish it. He and his two nephews had been consuming a fair bit of alcohol in the AM. I was at the helm and was the only one with a PFD on. PFD’s were available but these guys never wear them. We crossed over the sunken jetty from the N to the South. The current was running N as we were on an incoming tide following a mid morning negative tide. By now it was around 12:00-ish. Crossing the sunken jetty we were in a little confused seas but nothing too bad for a 21+ Woolrich boat.

My buddy (the boat’s owner) instructed me to go over the jetty, put it in neutral and let the boat drift back across. We did this several times. The current was pretty strong and we were drifting stern first towards the N. Each time we made the drift, I would put the boat in gear occasionally to keep us perpendicular to the main swells/waves off the stern. Each drift was too fast to fish effectively but one rockfish was caught on a drift and my buddy and his nephews wanted to keep doing this drift.

During the course of about 20-30 minutes, the seas over the jetty built as the current flowing across it built. If we were in my boat, we wouldn’t have been fishing there. I was feeling a bit nervous about the situation but was being told to do it again by the guys in the cockpit. I should have listened to my inner voice and called it off but I didn’t. I’ve often said that the combined IQ of a group of guys gets lower the more guys that are around and this is one of those cases. I didn’t have the guts to speak up and I continued to follow the directions of those who wanted to fish. That was my mistake – especially given the knowledge that a good bit of whiskey had been consumed by those three and hence I should have been able to infer that their judgment may not be at the highest.

As we drifted in for what turned out to be our final drift, it happened. A fairly large wave broke over the stern and dumped maybe 100 gallons into the cockpit. Water hit my back at the helm and even filled the trays on the dash to about ¼”. I got on the throttle and took us south at full power. The boat was very stern heavy and we could only make about 8kts. When that wave broke, it knocked all three in the cockpit down. As I applied throttle to get us out of there, the water going over the back sucked them towards the stern but I don’t think there was a very high danger of them going out at that point in time. However, I did hear some words of panic from one of the three.

Now we needed to de-water. The bilge pump was a piddly thing rated at 360 gals per hour but it probably has a 20” rise to the exit. At it’s best, it might put out 200 gals per hour. My buddy and one of his nephews started bailing, I kept the throttle on. At this point we were relatively safe, the boat was well away from the area of danger, we still had power and we and all our equipment was still in the boat. It took maybe 20+ mins to get the remaining water from the boat with a combination of bailing and bilge pump. The bilge pump clogged twice during that time and my friend had to reach into the bilge and clear the screen. I was still the only one wearing a PFD. Once we were fully de-watered, we made the trip back in over the bar without incident. I took an extra wide swing around the sunken jetty and we were happy when the boat was in the calm water of the harbor.

I did point out that I was the only one wearing a PFD and that the three in the cockpit might want to consider wearing one in the future. The youngest of the three “didn’t want a lecture” and I doubt I made any impact on him. I’m not sure about my buddy, the other nephew or the sister but I rather doubt that they will become regular PFD wearers in the future. I’ve had my buddy and one of his nephew's on my boat and on my boat, wearing a PFD is required. But it’s not something I can make happen on someone else’s boat.

On the one hand, I feel terrible for allowing myself to get into that position and for allowing myself as the guy at the helm to allow my buddy to get into that position – even if my buddy was giving the instructions. I should have known better and I should have spoke up. On the other hand, I know I did what was right immediately after the wave broke. Without that immediate action on the throttle, I’m quite confident we would have taken another wave over the stern and the boat would have turtled. I wouldn’t get off the throttle until we were well clear of the area of danger and until the boat was mostly dewatered.

Lessons learned:
1) Speak up when you’re not feeling safe on someone else’s boat. Be forceful if you must. I probably wouldn’t have needed to be very forceful to have prevented this problem. I should have simply said, “I don’t feel safe in this situation, we should fish elsewhere”. My buddy almost certainly would have responded positively to that.
2) The puny little bilge pumps put in by manufacturers are completely inadequate. My buddy’s birthday is on Friday. He’s getting a 1100 GPH bilge pump from me and I’ll help install it.
3) Check the bilge area – clean it out of fish scales and hair frequently. While the bilge pump was not very useful at full output, it became completely useless twice in this scenario. I think the second larger bilge pump will get installed an inch or two higher than the first.
4) PFD’s are a good thing but they only work if you have them on. The water where we were at was 57-58 degrees. The current was ripping pretty hard. If we took that second wave over, the three in the back would have been in the water. While the youngest one confidently expressed that he could swim to the jetty while I was “lecturing” on the value of PFD’s, I’m 100% sure that the only place any of them would have gone was wherever the current wanted to take them. Given how far that first wave came into the cockpit, I’m not confident I could have gotten off a call to the coast guard if the boat took a second wave. I would have been in the water too but with the benefit of a PFD. I probably could have gotten a PFD on the sister since there were 2 to her immediate left. I’m not sure I could have done anything for the 3 in the cockpit. I think the odds of them dying in such an event were fairly high.
5) If a wave does break over the stern, don’t delay and get on the throttle. I learned that lesson from this site and others by reading accident reports. I learned it first hand on Sunday.
6) Read accident reports and play through various scenarios in your own mind. I think that may have saved us yesterday.
7) Don’t drink while on the water. I was the only male on board who was completely sober yesterday. The sister was in good shape, the other 3 were functional but at least somewhat impaired. The adrenaline brought on by having many gallons of cold water pouring over them brought them to a high level of alertness pretty quickly. However, I believe that had they been 100% sober, they might have been less cavalier about wanting to fish the sunken jetty. In fact at one point, my buddy told his sister not to look back since it was “pretty ugly behind us”. This was before the wave broke. Good sense would have indicated this was a sign that we should drive forward rather than drifting back across for another attempt.
8) Guys – be especially cognizant of the group psychology amongst guys that often makes a group of guys far more stupid than any one guy alone. I often joke that the combined IQ of a group of guys goes as the inverse square of the number of guys present and the inverse cube if they’re trying to impress a girl. This situation was created at least partially by guys (myself included) being so focused on doing the manly fishing thing that none of us stopped to say “this is stupid”. It was stupid. There’s no other excuse. Each and every one of us was stupid. Period. However, by recognizing situations in which you are likely to be stupid, maybe you can prevent them in the future. I hope I have the guts to speak up in a similar situation in the future. I could have prevented this near death experience with a little more courage.

P.S. – after we got off the water we had lunch in Westport at a bar. My buddy had iced tea. I had my one beer for the day. I offered to drive home but he said he was fine. About 10 minutes into the trip, I asked if he was OK as he looked tired and wasn’t driving as perfect as I would expect. My gentle hint resulted in him saying we should swap and I drove the rest of the way home. If the gentle hint didn’t work, I would have been more forceful – which is exactly what I should have done earlier.

NOTE: I’m posting this to the “That’s life section” since that section is not 100% public. In the interest of not embarrassing my buddy or making him feel bad (who really is a good guy), I’d appreciate it if this were not reposted elsewhere. He and I will probably have many mini-review sessions of this incident over the coming weeks and while I am helping to install a new bilge pump. He’s a smart guy and I’m sure he’s learned a number of lessons from this. For one, I bet he never fishes the sunken jetty again except at slack.
 
thank you for sharing that, Roger. Its very helpful and definitely drives home some important things for me to consider as I rethink my ditch bag and pfd setup. I am thinking about readdressing my bilge and bailing capabilities as well. very very helpful post. I'm glad you guys are OK!! :thup
 
Yes, thanks for posting that instructive and informative post. Frankly, the fact that the owner is a good guy and your buddy clouded, if not your judgement, your actions. Sometimes you have to risk hurting your friend's feelings, even if it puts the friendship at risk. The sea and the jetty don't take friendship into consideration. They are unforgiving. Sorry to be so blunt. Glad everyone is safe.
 
Bull, what a bunch of B.S...you had only one beer after all of that?

What a tough spot to be in, running your friends boat, that sure adds to the stress.....glad you're still around to be posting
 
dotnmarty":37ayb0bt said:
Yes, thanks for posting that instructive and informative post. Frankly, the fact that the owner is a good guy and your buddy clouded, if not your judgement, your actions. Sometimes you have to risk hurting your friend's feeling, even if it puts the friendship at risk. The sea and the jetty don't take friendship into consideration. They are unforgiving. Sorry to be so blunt. Glad everyone is safe.
No need to be sorry - you are absolutely 100% correct. I recognized that after the fact very clearly and understood it prior to the incident. I didn't do what I should have. I'll do better next time.

Part of the point of me posting this was to call out exactly this aspect of my own behavior. Sometimes we think it's just younger people that allow their own judgement to be influenced by the "group psychology". This is a good example that shows older people are susceptible to the same thing. I should have been better than that. I wasn't.
 
Great post!!! Thanks for sharing.

Both the fact about PFD's and the "peer pressure" at all ages (especially coming from a respected person like yourself).

We have always wore our inflatable PFD's with the idea that when something does go wrong, you need to be able to fix the problem instead of finding the PFD's if that is even possible.
 
Thanks for posting. Lots of very good lessons there. You did the right thing by getting the bow up, and the boat out of danger--letting the other guys bail. Old saying no bilge pump is as good as a scared, cold, wet guy with a bucket! We carry a bucket in our open boat--lots of good uses!

One of the reasons to have two bilge pumps in our C Dorys is illustrated by this incident. Good point about the pump's lift: I think your estimate of 200 gal per hour is spot on.

We have always had a rule, no drinking under way, with one exception, and that was the watch going off could have one drink with dinner when racing.

You were in a very difficult situation being at the helm, and as a guest being asked to take the boat repeatedly into a dangerous situation. Now you have a "story" to tell, to justify doing the right thing.

Again--thanks!
 
Roger,

Glad you guys are all safe. Those sunken jetty tips are really attractive nuisances, eh? The South jetty on the Columbia has claimed its share of boaters, some under conditions similar to yours. Buoy 2SJ is a bellwether, and a marker to keep a weather eye on. Easy to get on the wrong side during a flood or ebb, and slip into trouble.
 
Glad you are safe and thank you for posting. Looks and sounds like you learned the most important lesson today. They guy with the wheel is making the decisions and no one else ( I learned it the hard way to a long time ago and even made bail , no don't ask).

If we were in my boat, we wouldn’t have been fishing there.

Very glad you are ok. This reminds me of a conversation I had with Susan while fishing out of Ucluete B.C. The swell was 4 to 6 and getting bigger with a 2 foot wind chop on top that had just started to build. I told Susan we are leaving now. She said "NO she did not have her limit yet." I said " Fine you stay but me and boat are leaving" We were in no danger yet, but that is the point. Leave before you are. When Susan or a friend drives my boat they are in charge.

Drinking- I like a beer or a glass of rum now and again but I have always wandered why people think fishing and drinking ( or hunting for that matter) go hand and hand. I never drink and drive anything. I which that was always true in my younger life but you have to learn the hard way. I hope your friends learned that if they trusted you to drive because you were straight , then maybe they should have trusted your judgement too??
 
Roger - I am with Ken...when you got in, you were entitled to MORE than one beer! Not sure what you like but a little nip of Evan Williams would probably be what I would favor after an experience like that. And I am with everyone else - NO alcohol underway, that has to wait until the boat is safely tied up at the dock. Not even wine with lunch while anchored if we are heading on to our ultimate destination!
 
Been riding motorcycles for what seems like forever .... have run into the same kind of thing when folks I used to ride with wanted to stop at every bar or tavern we passed. No amount of my talking to them about the dangers of drinking and riding ever did anything to change their minds... so for my own safety I quit riding with them. Had the same experience with some folks used to water ski with always sucking on a beer can while he was driving his boat , after a couple of near misses with other boats (not paying attention on the drivers part ) I just told them no, the next time they asked me to go to the lake with them. I did not want to die while some one else was being stupid. Not to say that I have not done some stupid stuff, but I learned from them.
 
Roger,

Thanks for posting that. It takes some guts to step up to the plate and call yourself out. Glad your here to do that. You made several really good points, Bilge pumps, PFD's, alcohol, gut feeling for safety, and being at the wheel, but not in charge. All good learning points. You are setting a level we should all be stepping up to.

"Sometimes we think it's just younger people that allow their own judgement to be influenced by the "group psychology". This is a good example that shows older people are susceptible to the same thing. I should have been better than that. I wasn't."

Sure glad you didn't say "old". We are all subject to the human condition, and it is easy to get sucked in. Easy to make a mistake. You just made a really good recovery.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
I think the most important lesson isn't posted as far as I can see. I won't go out on another guys boat unless there is a stated "captain" of the boat. Fine, that the buddy owned the boat, but there needs to be a designated captain who's rule is law. The boat owner was not interested in being the captain. Had he been, he'd not have been drinking. If he had a helmsman, fine, but he should have not been drinking.

The captain is the person entirely responsible for the safety of the crew and passengers. Who was the captain on this crazy adventure?
 
potter water":1ztcke3f said:
I think the most important lesson isn't posted as far as I can see. I won't go out on another guys boat unless there is a stated "captain" of the boat. Fine, that the buddy owned the boat, but there needs to be a designated captain who's rule is law. The boat owner was not interested in being the captain. Had he been, he'd not have been drinking. If he had a helmsman, fine, but he should have not been drinking.

The captain is the person entirely responsible for the safety of the crew and passengers. Who was the captain on this crazy adventure?

Good point. I must agree that it was not clear who was the captain in this case - at least up until the event. After that, it was clear (at least in my mind) that I was doing only what I believed was right. Prior to the event, it was assumed but not clearly stated that the boat owner was in charge. That's also a mistake I won't make again. Also, in the future, I'll have explicit discussions about who is in charge and whether or not that person is drinking - with the personal rule that I won't get on a boat unless at least the designated captain is also designated as alcohol free while on the water. I did tell my friend that if I was ever on his boat again and he wanted to do something I didn't think was safe that I would grab a flare gun, point it at him and say "Look at me. Look at me. I'm the captain now". (Captain Phillips reference for those who haven't seen the movie).
 
Pat Anderson":1wpdx0hk said:
Roger - I am with Ken...when you got in, you were entitled to MORE than one beer! Not sure what you like but a little nip of Evan Williams would probably be what I would favor after an experience like that. <stuff clipped>
I wanted to make sure I was in good shape for the drive home as I anticipated that I might be needed for that. I was. Hence, I'm glad I restricted myself to a single beer. After helping empty out my friend's boat, and cleaning the fish, I went home. Once I got there, I did have a nice glass of wine.

In between, I debriefed with the co-owner of my boat and my most frequent fishing partner. I wanted to get it off my chest ASAP and remind him that together, when the fish are biting, we also have the potential to make stupid decisions and that we need to carefully guard against that.
 
Very interesting read. Glad to hear that everything turned out well for you and the owner of that boat.

I do not drink when underway so it is not really much of an issue on our boat. I did recently have a friend whom I invited aboard for fishing show up with some beer. He offered me one but I passed. I figured that if something was to go awry, someone needs to process what needs to be done.

I will definitely store your event in my memory banks should a similar event ever occur.

I did have a question. How do you think a 22 cruiser or your tomcat would have fared in a similar circumstance?
 
redbaronace":r5u31wkn said:
Very interesting read. Glad to hear that everything turned out well for you and the owner of that boat.

I do not drink when underway so it is not really much of an issue on our boat. I did recently have a friend whom I invited aboard for fishing show up with some beer. He offered me one but I passed. I figured that if something was to go awry, someone needs to process what needs to be done.

I will definitely store your event in my memory banks should a similar event ever occur.

I did have a question. How do you think a 22 cruiser or your tomcat would have fared in a similar circumstance?

That's hard to say. I have a feeling the 22 might have taken on less water as I think it would have risen a bit more quickly on the wave but my guess it would have been in similar shape to the Woolridge. My 22 had two 1100GPH bilge pumps in it so it would have pumped out about 6x faster than a single 360GPH so we would have been in better shape sooner. But with the factory configuration of a single 500GPH (which is what mine came with), the de-watering time would have been similar. As an aside, I think the current factory is putting in a single 1100GPH pump. As for the Tomcat, the de-watering process would have been much faster as the self bailing deck would have helped with that.
 
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