My Beautiful America

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Deluke

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As I sat on the porch this morning with some dark nectar of the bean. I started pondering what exactly is America. And what has led us to this point. as our Founding fathers have said it is an experiment in self governance.

John Adams 1786
It has ever been my hobby-horse to see rising in America an empire of liberty, and a prospect of two or three hundred millions of freemen, without one noble or one king among them. You say it is impossible. If I should agree with you in this, I would still say, let us try the experiment, and preserve our equality as long as we can. A better system of education for the common people might preserve them long from such artificial inequalities as are prejudicial to society, by confounding the natural distinctions of right and wrong, virtue and vice.

This got me to thinking about the foundation of a society. It really is the family with a mother and father teaching their sons and daughters as only a mother and father can with the differences in their prospectives.
I can remember growing up my parents had a few one liners that they used a lot.
My Mama would say “if you don’t work you don’t eat”. And if you didn’t do your chores you went to bed hungry but the next day you did everything she told you to do. And if she saw you working really hard she’d cook your favorite for supper. (Only happened to me a few times I like to eat)
My Daddy would say “if you’re gonna be dumb you’d better be tough“. And he meant it and would enforce it.
We always knew what the rules were and they never changed. And if we broke them our punishment was dealt quickly. However they would never stay mad at us for long. Looking back at the times we’re told to hold the door for someone or push someone’s grocery buggy for them. Or simply to wave and smile at a stranger. My wife laughs at me now because I’m so use to waving at people driving down the road that I have waved at dogs and mailboxes 🤔Civility starts in the home among family members and if taught properly radiates out from there. It’s odd thinking back on those years at home there was never tyranny or democracy there was only the rule of law. My mother was a secretary and my father farmed during the day and worked at the firestone tire plant at night. Neither went to college but according to how they raised us they could have been constitutional scholars. They taught us to govern ourselves. Some say that I have privilege but I say I was blessed by God to have parents who believed in civility, common courtesy and hard work.
What say you?
I leave with the video below. Each time I hear it I can’t help but stand taller with misty eyes.

https://youtu.be/B2AEkfjc6-o
 
Deluke,

Agreed!

You were definitely Blessed by God to have the parental upbringing that you had while growing up. What great values your parents inspired into your life and what a heritage you now have to pass on with your lessons learned by sharing.

Great inspirational video from Charlie Daniels.

Thank You and Happy 4th of July to you and to all.
 
Thank you for the good thoughts in troubled times. Unfortunately America has changed in our generation. There have always been rebellions and we all have the right to peacefully assemble and protest.

God Bless America!
 
This one for today. I still take it seriously. Look where we are now.
I realize things change, but geeezzeee...

"I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands,
one Nation, under God,
indivisible, with liberty
and Justice for all."

Aye.

Sorry, just watched the video. Doing things backasswords is my bad.
 
I love America, and it hurts to see what is tearing apart our country. I have a hard time with breaking down our statues. They are our history reminders, and IF we can't use them as reminders about where we were, and what we were, we are bound to repeat history. (I don't think any of us want to go through another Civil War -- are we on the verge?) Taking down the pieces of our history equates, to me, like burning our flag, and that is rubbing me the wrong way. I think it should rub Americans the wrong way.

Here is on of my favorites about that flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfzJ8UBr-c0

God Bless America, and Please bring us some good sense....

To be clear, I do not agree with oppression,,, of anyone. We all bleed red. America has been a melting pot of races, and we have become, we are Americans. How many countries in the world are people lining up and crossing into illegally, to come here so there children can be born Americans? How many generations are we from the last Slave ship coming to America. It is high time we grow up, make adult decisions, learn that thing called "work" is not just a 4 letter word, but a means to to control our destiny, and that motivated self application is far more beneficial and reliable than depending on handouts. We need to learn and practice respect, of ourselves and each other.If we had longer lines practicing the "Golden Rule" we would need shorter lines of the "Blue", but until then, everyone wants an immediate response to a 911 call.

As Deluke said (and many others along the way) "Civility starts in the home among family members and if taught properly radiates out from there.
I knew the Pledge of Allegiance before I started first grade, and we said it at the start of the school day, right after morning worship there. Every day for 8 years of grade school. That flag and our country is near and dear, and those who have served military and LE, and families that have sacrificed a loved one, deserve better than what is going on across our great country now.

Our Pledge of Allegiance, word-by-word meaning explained by Red Skelton;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJNL_rhGDq4

I won't say "Enjoy" but I will say "Take a thoughtful listen"

Salute, America

Harvey
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These are some of the quotes my grandkids and I discuss quite often. I try to make our Founders as real to them as a I can. We read their quotes and they get to pick the ones they can relate to. My granddaughter goes to college next month and I hope I have instilled in her a love and knowledge of our nation and constitution that she won’t get led astray by professors or peer pressure. I do believe our founders letters and the federalist papers should be taught in some form every school year for all grades. You can’t know where you are going unless you know where you’ve been.

The following are a few of my favorite quotes



Public business, my son, must always be done by somebody. It will be done by somebody or other. If wise men decline it, others will not; if honest men refuse it, others will not.” John Adams

“The longer I live, the more I read, the more patiently I think, and the more anxiously I inquire, the less I seem to know. . . . Do justly. Love mercy. Walk humbly. This is enough.”John Adams

There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”John Adams

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
― Thomas Jefferson

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”
― John Adams :love :smilep
 
Frankly, there is far too much use of the word "god" in this thread for my taste. Why is that important? The answer to that was brought home to me when I listened to hardee's reference to Red Skelton (I've always loved Red Skelton). Skelton recites the pledge first without the words "under God". This is how I learned it in the late 1940's. Then the Eisenhower adiministration added those 2 words....a mistake in my opinion.

Skelton muses at the very end: "Wouldn't it be a shame if someone considered that the addition of those 2 words made the pledge a prayer, and therefore not allowed to be recited in school?" Sorry Red, I do consider it a prayer....specifically a Christian prayer for what else can "god" possibly mean in this context other than the Christian god. Today's world is much closer than it was in our forefather's day (foremother's??). We are global today in a way unimaginable to those early Americans. They wanted a government that did not promote one sect of Christianity over another; but today that same American principle must apply to all religions. So yes it is a prayer; and to make my point......how about school kids today reciting this version:

"I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands,
one Nation, under Allah,
indivisible, with liberty
and Justice for all."
 
" .......how about school kids today reciting this version:

"I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands,
one Nation, under xxxxx,
indivisible, with liberty
and Justice for all."

How about, they do anything that recognizes our flag, the Stars and Stripes as the symbol of our nation. And learn to practice respect for that symbol.

OH, and I believe that the pilgrims came to this country to find religious freedom, freedom to get out from under the oppressive religious practices of England, and to be able to have the freedom to practice their own religious beliefs. Not to promote one sect over another, but it was based on a belief in God as a Supreme power.

What we need is a return to Patriotism, a belief in how great our country is.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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smckean

Isn’t America great. We can believe the way we want cause no one has the right not to be offended because we all have the power to move on and ignore something we don’t agree with. I love America
 
Deluke":1j335yv5 said:
.....we all have the power to move on and ignore something we don’t agree with
That may be well and good for you and I, but I can't imagine your sentiment applies to 6, 7, and 8 year olds being lead by adults in the front of a classroom to recite a unchanging chant every single day. Those kids are not yet able to make the decisions you and I can make. It can't be a coincidence that 98% of the time a person's religion is the same as that of their parents. Kids are typically given no chance to choose for themselves.
 
Since I’m a Christian my world view is filtered through the eyes of Jesus. That being said I believe that public school is only a supplemental means of education. It is my responsibility as a parent and grandparent to know in depth what my kids are learning on a weekly basis. Although my children are grown I still talk to my grands in depth about what they are learning. We discuss it and I correct things that I don’t agree with and add to where I think it’s needed. We do exercises together so they learn to apply the things they are taught. I also teach them how to filter the information they are presented. I demand they learn to critically think. The problem we have in this country today is in part due to parents sending their children to school and allowing the school to teach them without being involved in that education. I refer to my original post. A child’s education is the absolute responsibility of the parents. A child must learn early to filter all the info they are presented with and that filter comes from the family. So you see whether the Pledge has Under God in it or not is a moot point if the parents are doing their job.
 
Deluke,

I don't expect you to agree with me on this because I'm going to quote someone who is, I would guess, about the worst person you can think of. It is one of my most favorite quotes and it is from page 3 of Richard Dawkin's book "The God Delusion".

"I think we should all wince when we hear a small child labelled as belonging to some particular religion or another. Small children are too young to to decide their views on the origins of the cosmos, of life and of morals. The very sound of the phrase 'Christian child' or 'Muslim child' should grate like fingernails on a blackboard.......Please, please raise your consciousness about this, and raise the roof whenever you hear it happening. A child is not a Christian child, not a Muslim child, but a child of Christian parents or a child of Muslim parents."


I try to follow this advise.

P.S. I find it interesting the you use the word "filter" several times as you speak of young kids. Filters are all about keeping "bad" stuff out. Personally, I'd be more likely to use a word like "examine"....which would be more in keeping with the skill of "critical thinking" you praised.
 
smckean,

America is such a great place. A place where we can debate our ideas and learn from each other or agree to disagree.
I have no animus toward Dawkins or anyone else for how they believe.
We as parents have a responsibility to our children. My viewpoint is
Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go and when he gets old he won’t depart from it.
I do agree that filters are designed to keep bad stuff out. I disagree that you can’t have filters and critically think. There are things in this world that I don’t want my kids into. And since they are my responsibility until they are mature enough to make up their own mind I will instill my beliefs and morality into them. My original post spoke of the family and civility.
I’ll end with this.

Matthew 22:37-40
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

P.S. I’m having Miss Adventure repowered from a Yamaha 150 to a Suzuki 200. Hopefully it’ll be ready next week. I’m itching to find what’s around the bend in the river. Maybe we’ll meet someday.
 
America is such a great place. A place where we can debate our ideas and learn from each other or agree to disagree.
I imagine Germany, Sweden, England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and even Mexico or South Korea are just a great in that regard as the USA. I suspect the key that unlocks the virtue you mention is a functioning democracy. America owes a great deal in that regard to the Brits: the Magna Carta dates back to 1215 after all.

Train up a child in the way he should go and when he gets old he won’t depart from it.
I don't see where the child gets any choice in that philosophy.
 
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