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catdogcat

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Took the new boat out for her maiden voyage last weekend to Kachemak Bay. I noticed right away when I got on board that it listed slightly to starbord. This is mostly due to me being alone and having the kicker on one side. I know trim tabs would compensate for this but most of the day I was traveling in 4-5 foot @ 10-12 knots, seas where trim tabs would be inefective. My question is; are you guys used to this sort of thing? Do most people carry some kind of ballast? I was thinking that I would carry sandbags and store them in the portside lazerett when I go out alone. It made for a bit of an uncomfortable ride taking those big waves while listing. I found myself standing in the middle while steering a couple of times.

The C-dory handled the 4-5 foot seas great. Felt perfectly safe the whole way through. :thup
 
catdogcat":1ssseujf said:
The C-dory handled the 4-5 foot seas great. Felt perfectly safe the whole way through. :thup
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Each time I've gone out of late it seems the seas and winds have conspired to show just how safe our boats are. Last time out, March 27th, we had just re-entered the Mission Bay entrance when this happened. Coasties and Harbor Police charging past us full tilt! All due, IMHO, to the skipper's carelessness. It ain't the Golden Gate south tower area, but the normally placid So Cal region can lull the complacent skipper into terminal mistakes of judgement. OTOH, like you, we felt perfectly safe the entire day. "It was a 12 knot day" seems to really mean something to C-Dory owners.
 
I have found that I tend to list a bit to port (more than likely due to a full fresh water tank on that side). Try using the fresh water tank for ballast rather than a useless sandbag in the starboard lazarette. Besides more weight on the stern is NOT what we C-Brats need.

Hope that helps. Look forward to seeing you out in PWS.

Cheers! :D
 
catdogcat":2ki6n0ug said:
My question is; are you guys used to this sort of thing? Do most people carry some kind of ballast? :thup
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Yes, but if I ever called her ballast, I would be sleepin on the couch for a week. :wink:
 
I have both batteries on the starboard side. When I have no passengers (rare), I can feel it! I keep a 5 gallon bucket in the cockpit. I fill it and slip it to port when alone. I will fill my fresh water tank for my solo adventures next week.

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My trim tabs are for cigaret boats! lol 12x16 Bennet dual-piston jobs :xseek I sure like'm :thup But as someone mentioned "it would be great if one could totally disengage them. I do feel them in a trailing-sea, even when all the way up. Most time I'm ok when alone, and keep Baby stern-heavy. (big subject, but I gotta go now :| )[/color][/size][/quote]

As for weight in the stern, Mr. Fox, why do you buck the current when most Brats (as C-Biscuit just stated) prefere weight in the bow? Why, Mr. Yamaha man, do believe stern weight to be advantageous??!?
 
Catdogcat.
Move the kicker to the Portside along with the gascan. I have a 1987 Johnson 90HP with a 9.8 kicker on the Portside and the boat does not list when I'am alone. My boat is an Angler.
Jack on C-Otter
 
Mr. Fox, why do you buck the current...? Why, Mr. Yamaha man...??!?
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Oh, crap.

Go get 'em, RF! Dusty, you be the referee.


Besides more weight on the stern is NOT what we C-Brats need.
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Yeah, but we sure seem to be getting better at growing it!


I know trim tabs would compensate for this but most of the day I was traveling in 4-5 foot @ 10-12 knots, seas where trim tabs would be inefective.
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Are you thinking the tabs would be ineffective because of the type of seas, i.e., following? At 10 knots and up, trim tabs will have a dramatic effect on the CD 22 hull. The tabs will do a lot to smooth out the chop, as well as provide lateral trim correction. In seas running up on you, the tabs can for sure make things squirrelly, though.

I always try to use the weight distribution so my boat sits level side to side at rest. It really bugs me to see the TyBoo sitting cockeyed in the slip. Then I count on the tabs to adjust for passenger weight and other factors.

My opinion: The CD 22 should have trim tabs as a standard feature from the get go. The Bennett M120 Sport Tabs seem to have been designed for the boat.
 
Catdogcat:

It's designed to be cruised with the water in the tank and that solves the problem. After you've got it half full (or full) simply even out the load as you would with any other vessel.

Agreed with the wave comments, just slow down and enjoy the cruise in and think of all the chiropractor bills you won't be paying.
 
It sounds like the listing prolem has been solved. I think Mr Fox may appreciate a heavy stern in a heavy following sea. The object of the game is to not let the stern pass the bow as bad things may happen (you may just get fecal matter on the upholstery..or the spousal unit may not wish to cross the bar with ya again...not that we ever broached before). I believe being a bit heavier in the stern may help. I also thing having the Honda twins (that's dependable Honda power x2, not no cheesy Yamzuki and not no big engine and a wart :) ) back there with two props in the water helps out also. Following seas are no fun and I'll be damned if they don't always seem to be following me back to Illwaco. That's my $0.02, I'd be interested to hear Mr Fox's and Dusty's take on this.
 
While we are starting up this discussion about Yamaha/Honda/twin/etc...stern heavy/stern light/trim tabs or not, :crook don't forget that Red Fox's boat (classic 22) is a COMPLETELY flat bottom boat.

The newer 22 hull is not flat! It curves side to side,viewed from astern, and the bottom curves fore and aft, viewed from the side. In my opinion, the two hull forms don't behave the same way.

I have a light weight 2 stroke 70 and I like having the following seas slide under while lifting the stern. I think the boat behaves better if the weight is centralized and not all on the transom. Remember, the newer hull was designed for the 70 hp 2-stroke motors of the day, and trim tabs were a no-no (factory recommendation) when I bought my boat.
 
I can only speak for our Dory, but I definitely wouldn't seek to add weight astern. We, too have the lightweight Johnson 70, but with 75# of kicker and the large fuel tank option( which I try to keep full) we most definitely find the boat handles rough seas better with all discretionary weight(ie our cargo) loaded forward. The bow stays down and the boat kind of plows through without excessive banging. Too, the cargo stays dry! This is the main reason I'm looking to repower with an E-Tec. I'm absolutely a fan of the Honda motor company and generally would choose a Honda product over Bombardier, but I can't get around the weight issue. Regards to all! Mike on Westward.
 
Mike,

Your views on repowering and weight are similar to mine. I am still waiting for more customer experience on the E-TEC motors. So far they look real good.
 
I should have mentioned that it was a following sea. I would like to move the kicker to the other side but it's a bolt on job that uses the main fuel tanks. I do believe that my water tank was indeed empty so that will be something I can try. Also I'm preparing to add a second battery. I'm going to mount it to the port side. I'll bet between the water tank and the battery that should even it out. I'd like to even it out for cruising alone as thats what I mostly do. From there I'll work on the trim tabs and passengers. As for added weight in the stern I would definitely hesitate because it seemed to plow through the waves just right. I say this because I was able to travel 10-12 MPH in 4/5 ft following seas without pounding whatsoever. That seems good. I too am very interested in the E-tec and have been reading many good things about them. Sure would like to see one in action. Thanks guys for all the great advice.
 
I was going to mention that you need to add the 160 lbs of water in the tank. I am on my way to the factory right now and will ask about having the twin AGM house batteries installed on the port side. My future kicker will be on the starboard side. A plus on the 25 is that the gas tank (106 gal) is a monotank and positioned under the cockpit just behind the cabin door so that the weight both aft/forward and lateral will be less of a concern as it was in the 22.
 
I have a problem with the trim if the wife and son are on board and the water tank is full. Even with the trim tabs I have a hard time getting the boat to trim flat. It tilts to the port side. I may have to buy a kicker just to even out the boat. I have been only filling the water tank about half way and running the gas out of the port tank first. this seems to help.
 
Wow. I had no Idea that the water tank held so much. That will definitely solve the problem. It's nice to have access to all the knowledgable people.
 
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