Lessons from a Sailboat Tragedy

thataway

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This is about a sailboat which was lost and a crew member’s death. There are a number of lessons here for power boaters, including a defect in a very popular type of Personal Floatation Device (PFD).
Material is gleaned from the sailing blog “Scuttlebutt” http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/ The story is about semi custom built ultra light weight Columbia Carbon 32 foot sloop named “Uncontrollable Urge” (U U) during the Around Islands Race from Los Angeles, CA. to San Diego Taking Catalina Island and San Clemente Island each to port and finishing off San Diego Sea Buoy a race distance of 134 miles for Handicap basis. The race started about 2 PM off Los Angeles Harbor on March 8 2013 Most of the information is from the excellent accident investigation and report by US sailing:
http://media.ussailing.org/AssetFactory.aspx?vid=21870.

Uncontrollable Urge’s rudder shaft broke at about 2130 on the night of 8 March 2013 about 2 miles to windward of San Clemente Island. The wind direction was WNW/NW with a wind speed of 25-28 knots with higher gusts. There was a mixed swell with the WNW swell being 6 to 8 feet and potentially up to 10 feet. There was a crew of 6, and they were all wearing inflatable shoulder yoke inflatable PFD—all but one were “ Spinlock Deckvest Lifejacket Harness, which had an attachment point for a tether. There were port and starboard jack lines on the boat. The crew was very experienced. The boat was using this race as a shakedown for the 2013 Transpac.

The crew immediately contacted the Coast Guard by VHF when the rudder was lost and stayed in contact with the CG until the boat’s mast went over just before she washed ashore. In addition 5 of the racing boats who were monitering channel 16 responded by offering aid ; two stood by for a period of time only a mile or so away. The skipper of U U felt that he could get a Sea Tow vessel out of Avalon, and told the two nearest boats to go on. He felt that they might be in danger and that the seas were too large for a safe transfer of lines and did not know if the vessels had enough engine power to pull both vessels out of danger. The crew attempted to use buckets, anchors and rodes and improvised rudders using the boat’s boom and hatch covers. to steer the boat. All of these attempts failed. Sea Tow claimed a response time of 20 hours. The U C’s skipper felt that he had at least 5 hours before they hit the Island and did not request Coast Guard to launch a SAR chopper immediately. The boat drifted ashore faster than he had calculated (in 2 ½ hours), and by the time they realized that they were in immediate danger, all of the other race boats were so far away that they could not reach the scene in time. The coast Guard did launch a rescue chopper, but it took almost an hour before it reached the scene, and the boat beached in 20 minutes after that decision. One of the crew died as they went ashore apparently the fatality was drowning related to the PDF . The life raft was of little use. The tethers were a danger; once the boat hit, and all had to be cut loose or unclipped from the jack lines. The life jackets were a major problem. Four of five Spinlock deck vests allowed the flotation chamber to pull over the wearer’s head to one side of the body, despite crotch straps. The deceased was found floating face down with the flotation chamber pulled over his head. Given that the crew had to swim through large surf to reach the shore this was a life threatening failure. The Chopper took 50 minutes from time of request to reach the location of the wreck. The remaining crew was hypothermic and had difficulty using flares to allow the chopper to find them. Flashlights did not work well. Hoisting the crew members into the chopper took 15 to 20 minutes each!

Here are a few of the comments from the skipper of UC: (added by myself)
1. Flares are dangerous. The printed directions on the flare are small and unreadable in the dark. They are hard to open when fingers are cold. A Very pistol is better.
2. Have heating patches in the ditch bag.
3. The life raft light was useless. The raft light should be a strobe and brighter. ( It blew away from the boat immediately upon inflation, and the thin line attatching it to the boat broke in short order.)
4. The Spinlock harness light is not bright enough. (strobe lights are much better.)
5. Harnesses/Lifejackets need to be functional in large waves and surf. (you need more flotation than the inflatable PFD)
6. If you are going to be grounded, stay on the high-side of the boat but do not be tethered. Wrap your arms around strong points and stay low in the boat.
7. For offshore boats should have a strong second rudder that can be immediately deployed. (for our C Dory this would mean an auxiliary motor)
8. He had no sea anchor aboard. (This is a case where a sea anchor might have slowed the drift enough to get help before grounding)
9. When the boat was drifting towards the beach the crew talked about getting in the raft and decided that it would be worse. (May not have been prossible)
10. Glow sticks are highly visible and should be in the ditch bag. (or a strobe on the PDF)
11. Clearing the deck of lines and the boom saved lives as the boat entered the surf.
12. People need to rest even if no sleep possible.
13. There should be training on how to work with other boats, e.g. towing, talking on the radio. (in this case the urgency of help was under estimated by the skipper and the Coast Guard. Other boats were not monitering their radios.)
14. How to talk to the USCG to accurately tell them what is happening- they may not be aware of a sailboats capabilities or limitations. (or the capability of any boat).
15. Crewmembers that need glasses should have a spare on their person.

What lessons to bring to the C Dory:
1. When in rough seas set your way points far enough from a lee shore or rocks to allow safe rounding even if you have a temporary power failure.
2. Always monitor VHF channel 16 and either the local traffic channel or 22A. Post by the radio instructions how to operate and what to say to the Coast Guard.
3. If you hear of a dangerous situation near you, respond, offer to help and stand by until Coast Guard or commercial help arrives.
4. Don’t underestimate the danger—ask for help, even if you think you may not need it. In this case the Coast Guard could have had better communication with assets on San Clemente Island (Navy) or Avalon—Baywatch or Sea Tow, but had contacted mainland facilities.
5. Think out and have a plan for every emergency. In many of our boats we had a laminated paper mounted by the companionway with the plan for fire, flooding, capsize, or loss of the rig, man over board, abandon ship, etc. Each new crew member was given a review of the plans
6. Be sure you know how to operate flares, and have enough proper flares on board and in your ditch bag/PFD.
7. Have alternate power—be it a kicker or twin engines. Know how to set up an emergency steering if your primary steering fails. (we have had a failure of our Sea Star on the Tom Cat—I have had push pull cable steering fail. Often lashing a boat hook to a large motor will allow you to steer—think it out and have a plan.
8. Have the VHF radio, Flares, Strobe/flashlight on the PFD.
9. If you have a tether on, be sure it has a rapid release at the vest: like a spinnaker shackle.
10. Have a sharp knife on the PFD or your pocker/belt
11. If you are using the inflatable PFD, review—can it fail as these did, over your head? The crew with a SOS inflatable did not have the failure the others did. His stayed in the confines of the fabric and not over the head asyemtrically.
12. If in a dangerous situation have more than the horse shoe type of inflatable PFD. For example I often wear a custom form fitting flotation vest as well as the PFD.
13. For cold water, be sure you have warm clothing- or even a float coat, which has some insulating property.(or a vest like I noted above).
14. Try out emergency proceedures—like man overboard or steering if the main steering breaks. (In U U case they had been able to steer the boat by balancing the sails in 10 knots of wind, so they assumed this would work in 30 knots—not true)
15. Have a plan if you need to be towed, or if you need to tow another boat. Have adequate points for attachment (bow and stern), Adequate lines and consider how you would get a line to another boat: heaving line or float on a fender.

This story was particularly interesting to me because I have raced a number of similar races, where we cut the corners very close. I was on a Newport, CA. to San Diego Race, around San Clemente Island. The race started at 5 PM and at 9 PM I went below to take a nap in the quarter berth on my Newport 30 (6 man crew). At midtnight we were nearing San Clemente Island, and I got up to take the helm and change watch. The off watch crew went into their bunks. About an hour later I went down to the chart table, and when I stepped off the ladder there was 6 inches of water over the cabin sole! We started the bilge pumps, including a 50 gallon a minute manual Whale Gusher. I could not find the leak. We continued to sail, and I realized the water was comming in only on the Starboard tack (starboard side was up wind and as we beat into the seas, water was rolling down the Starboard side deck). There was a scupper which drained over board from the side deck, thru a 1 1/2" tubing at the foot of the quarter berth, and then out a thru hull. I found that when I got in the quarter birth, I had pushed the valise life raft down toward the transom with my feet and had pushed the hose off the deck fitting. Each time a wave broke on the starboard deck, most of it came in thru this drain—and into the bilge. We pulled out the life raft, and double clamped the hose to the scupper drain. We didn't loose much time in the race and finished the next morning in San Diego.

The Scuttlebutt blog is a good read--and United States Sailing Association gave an excellent report which is well worth taking the time to read.
I would appreciate any other comments of safety and avoiding dangerous problems.
 
One thing stands out in some of this. Admit early when you are in trouble and call for and accept help before it's too late. Boating, or flying, is not the same as driving. Backup systems can be nice, but not everyone can afford them or even have room for them. Know your conditions, and plan appropriately. ;-) Colby
 
Stay in port during small craft advisories. During 30 mph (gale force) winds stay in the house. :shock: No mention of sea anchor or why they did not drop a regular anchor. I'm thinking they should have sent out a MAYDAY as soon as the rudder shaft broke. But not being there it's easy for me to come up with lots of ideas.
D.D.
 
The call to the Coast Guard was immediate within minutes when the shaft broke. The C G asked them to activate the DSC, which they did, and this may have been what alerted the 5 other racers nearby to come back and offer assistance.

30 knots would not be unusual in this race, it is rare that sailboat races are called off because of too heavy winds in S. Calif.

The Sea Anchor (they did not have one) and the only anchors they had were two FX 7 Fortress anchors (which I use as stern anchors for the 22). It is common to have only small and light anchors in racing sail boats. This is an ultra light sail boat--3500 lbs for a 32 foot boat--all up! Light is fast! For long races we had a weight limit for each crew member's gear & personal items. I used Danforth (no Fortress was available then)--one 22 HT for a 46 foot boat and if I had to carry a stern anchor a 12HT.

In this case they deployed the 2 FX 7 anchors and 200 feet each of line with short chain over an hour before the boat grounded. The shore was lined with kelp and steep. The anchors did not catch before the boat was in the surf line--then it was too late. They may have slowed the boat down, but were not ample to stop the boat.

As to conditions. This was not unusual in this race. I have seen over 50 knots in similar races. Out of the 39 boats entered in the race only 3 considered dropping out because of the weather. Offshore racing is a sport where the boat is expected to contend with bad weather if it occurs.

Why did the rudder shaft break? That is not addressed. The builder's son was aboard the boat, so I am sure that tests were done on the remaining shaft. Valdez owned Columbia back when I was racing--the company was sold and then went out of business--now back in business doing semi custom racing boats. The rudder shaft was solid carbon fiber, 2" I believe--so it should not have broken.
 
colbysmith":2x87tvs4 said:
One thing stands out in some of this. Admit early when you are in trouble and call for and accept help before it's too late. Boating, or flying, is not the same as driving. Backup systems can be nice, but not everyone can afford them or even have room for them. Know your conditions, and plan appropriately. ;-) Colby
We should also know when we're not in trouble. We were out fishing in the gulf today and the coastguard announced that an EPIRB had been activated and gave Lat and Long. A helicopter was dispatched and when it was almost there they were able to contact the vessel"Money Bags" and found out they were having engine problems. No one was in distress and seas were less than one foot. Hope no one else was actually in distress at that time.
 
If one elects to go out in 30 or 50 kt winds, then I think one has to be prepared for the conditions or accept the possible peril they may be in if something goes wrong. As an ex-coastie, I don't have a lot of sympathy for folks that go out when they really don't have too. That includes racing! Again, common sense should prevail, but doesn't always. Back on how one powers their boat, rather it's single or twin screw, you accept the risks that go with the equipment or environment you operate in, and go from there. Many, including myself, find peace of mind with a second engine (be it a main or kicker), but I don't believe it's a necessity. Colby
 
Simplicity, I would say that only that captain can decide if his boat was in distress at that time. Setting off an epirb might be a little extreme, if he could have reached the Coast Guard by other methods. However, if he had bilge pumps running, loss of power could likely put one in distress! As I said, if one's in trouble, admitting it early might be prudent. Colby
 
Journey On and us just got back from a trip to Santa Cruz Island. A good trip and I thought I’d share some thoughts about it. I realize that a lot of C-Brats have been there a lot of times, but anyway.

I wrote this a week ago, but posting it here certainly seems pertinent. We certainly forget that the C-Dory is a small boat, and I got reminded that even the 25 is small. And always be careful, things go awry. Stay within the boat’s limits.

First, I tend to forget that Santa Cruz is out in the Pacific Ocean. A couple of trips to Catalina and you think that Santa Cruz will be as mellow. Well, it’s not. It sticks out in a rougher part of the Pacific, not the roughest but certainly not the mildest, running East (downwind) and West (upwind). Right around from Pt. Conception, where that winds are rough. And San Clemente is even farther out. This time the weather wasn’t mild in August, which was a surprise. And the NWS can’t predict Pacific Ocean weather more than 3 days in advance, though they’ll give their opinion for a week out.

We launched out of Ventura, and headed for the south end of Santa Cruz, Yellowbanks. Good ride over, 12 knts, kinda choppy, some fog and a 2 hr ride. AIS worked well and eliminated the excitement of crossing the shipping lanes. Yellowbanks isn’t a bay, just an anchorage up against some high yellow cliffs. Anchored for the day and in the evening got reminded that the C-Dory is a light 25’ boat. The afternoon swell which wrapped around the island from the west wind got the boat to rocking and made for a couple of uncomfortable hours. The Manson held well, in sand.

Next morn, up early and started out to make a clockwise circumnavigation of Santa Cruz. Up the south side to Coches Prieta, the ideal island beach. However, the National Weather Service changed their prediction from light NW winds to 10-20 from the SW, which put the wind right into Coches Prieta. Note that there are no protected harbours in Santa Cruz, just indentations which deflect the (generally) West wind. Saw a C-Dory 22 going west also, doing well.

We ducked into the next cove, Alberts Anchorage, right up against a west cliff blocking the wind, smooth as a baby’s rear. Set the anchor behind a fishing boat, in for the day. These particular boats fish at night with large/great big lights pointed down, to catch squid. You can see them working all night, like a Christmas tree. So the wind comes up and the fisherman is now right in front of us and we need to get out since he’s dragging. At the same time we’re blowing the horn, Judy’s on the VHF and nobody appears on the other boat. And there’s a sail boat coming in to anchor, so we have to duck him, until he realizes what’s going on. Judy mentions (to me) that our anchor line is to one side of the fishing boat, I go for it, get the anchor up. The fishing boat is in the breakers. While we’re tending to our business, the sailboat is sounding his horn, Judy’s calling the Coast guard, and finally someone comes out on deck. Instead of saying “Jesus Christ” and starting the engine, the fisherman sits there and explains he let 125 ft of chain out. OK, but you’re still dragging. Next time check the set. Good luck and we’re out of there.

Back to the east end, where the whole island blocks the wind, and we settle in to Smugglers Cove a big open bay, right next to Yellowbanks, but wonderful in a West wind. Spend the day rocking and bouncing in the middle of a bunch of 50” sailboats. Yes, the C-25 is a small boat, but we like her. The boat next to us was a 45’ sailboat that weighed ~15 tons and their deck chairs were plastic lawn chairs.

The next morning (day 3) we head up the north side of Santa Cruz, to a small indentation called Pelicans Bay. Came around San Pedro Point and start up west, right into the wind. The boat is bouncing, every once in a while the bottom drops out but we keep on going at 6 knts. Then we go around the last point to cross a wide bay (Prisoners Harbour) and into Pelican, right? No, 3-4 swells hit us, the screens fell out of the windows which were covered with blue water and the vote was 1 to 0 (Judy got the vote,) to turn around and go back to the East end, which we did. Nice ride going downwind. Another day in Smugglers Cove. Went for a hike. Drank beer.

Day 4 (out of 6, time is running short,) up early, slight wind, we’ll try again for Pelican and have breakfast there. OK, small chop, up to 10 knts, riding well, an hour to Pelican. Now, we’ve anchored in Pelican Bay when there have been 30 boats there, and that’s too many. However, when we get there ONLY 3 BOATS are there. And none of them have a stern anchor out. In 35 years, I’ve never seen that. We anchor and the Manson Supreme digs in. Oh Boy!!!!!!!!!!!!! A peaceful day, warm and not crowded.

The one of the three boats calls me up on the VHF and wants to talk about C-Dories. No we’re not Bill and El (of the Boat US article,) but we’ve also cruised a C-Dory, etc, etc. Then he mentions that there’ll be some rough weather tomorrow. Judy instantly turns on the VHF Weather and lo and behold the National Weather Service has updated their prediction to Small Craft Warnings. I guess they only go day by day. So we pull up the anchor, which had set in seaweed, and get out, back to a slip at the Ventura Yacht Club.

It’s 25 miles from Pelican Bay, Santa Cruz Island to Ventura, at about 45 deg downwind. The wind is 15 knts or so, but the swells are from Pt Conception, where the winds are over 25 knts. The autopilot can’t steer going downwind in those swells so there I am, steering and trying to keep the boat speed in line. It’s like riding a motorcycle across the desert, bouncing and sliding. Going down the face of a big swell sideways is interesting, as is the spray that comes out from the bow when you hit the bottom of the trough. 10’ high water on both sides of the bow. At least. And then there’s trying to get back on course. After a couple of hours we’re there in a nice calm harbor. And I’m drinking beer in Ventura, not Pelican Bay.

Of course there is a couple of morals here. First, the C-Dory 25 is a small light boat and we tend to forget that at times. We were the smallest boat at Santa Cruz Island by a long shot. That’s a testament to the C-Dory line, but you have to be careful. Journey On is only 25’ and weights 6000#. So don’t expect you can operate in the same conditions as that 45’, 30,000# sailboat that’s anchored alongside. Always remember that the open ocean can get rough and you have a small boat. Yes they’re wonderful and have done some amazing things, but face reality; they’re only 22 or 25 ft. long.

Next, the C-Dory, even a 25, has limited capability for off shore cruising. There is nothing available at Santa Cruz Island: no water, no fuel, no docks, just hiking. We left with 27 gal of water and Judy is frugal, 15 gal for 4 days. Took a full fuel tank (100 gal), of which we used 30 gal on our short trip, thank goodness we had 100 gal.

Anchoring is a subject which has been beat to death here, but it’s still important. There aren’t any buoys or slips at Santa Cruz , and the anchorages are all open. All the discussion on the various kinds of anchors are fun, but it’s how you use them that’s important. That fisherman in Alberts hadn’t set his anchor, and he almost went aground. We anchored in seaweed which is OK for a day anchorage, but should have found a sand patch. Looking at the various anchors in the VYC, where we’re sitting, one can find every type, their owners all say theirs work well, but the other kind drags. So learn how to set a good anchor well.

There’s a lot of shipping in the Santa Barbara Channel, between the mainland and Santa Cruz Island, where all the container ships from the Orient approach LA/Long Beach, and we have to cross those shipping lanes every time. I’ve started using an AIS receiver ($100) with OpenCapn (free) on our PC. Works great, the program tells you how fast those ships are going and calculates the closest point of approach. Gets rid of a lot of anxiety. BUT YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO USE THE PROGRAMS. And that’s a pain. Practice every chance you get. Same goes for radar.

So the moral is respect your boat, and stay within its and your capabilities. Learn how to use all the navigation aids you have. And expect the unusual once in a while.

Boris
 
Inflatable PFDs are not the only kind that will ride up over your head. A PFD must be properly fitted (i.e., snug) or it WILL ride over your head when you immerse. I've seen it happen and it has happened to me. Many adult PFD don't even have a crotch strap, never mind one that doesn't work.
 
Somewhere from 95 to 97% of EPRIB activations are false alerts. Some are EPRIBs that are stolen and accidentally activated when the thief turns it on to see what it does! Many are folks who are "testing" (there are procedures to test the units which do not result in an alert.) The majority (69%) of false alerts are a failure of the bracket on auto activation units. These last less than 10 minutes and are fairly easily resolved. There was a good study done in 2007, which showed that From May 1 thru Dec 31 2007 there were 1577 US registered EPRIB activations, with 95% false!

Hopefully a vessel which was in Simplicity's proximity had a VHF or other communication systems other than an EPRIB--and that would have been far more appropriate. On the other hand, unfortunately the CG has stopped monitoring 2182 kHz SSB, which was the distress frequency which was used commonly for vessels out of VHF range.

Here is the link for SAR policy:http://www.d1nr-bcqp.us/documents/MSAP_2E.pdf

The Crew of Uncontrollable Urge were seasoned off shore sailors. I would suggest reading the full report from US sailing. It is excellent. The race protocol for this type of race calls for emergency rudder to be available. "The requirement of OSR 4.15.1 b) is “crews must be aware of alternative...have been proven to work on board the yacht”. Unfortunately (as many boats do) they did not have an emergency steering system available. One other boat lost a rudder, but was able to sail the boat. The report: "Crew members was (sic) kept comfortable below and monitored. 2. Rudder not reparable (sic) and sea state would not allow steering by sail trim, Issued call to close-by boats on VHF and began a falshing (sic) light signal (did not shoot off a flare) , called SDYC on VHF repeatedly and NO RESPONSE. Then called Coast Guard. Coast Guard was fantastic and I am willing to be interviewed to tell the full story. Eventially (sic) got spare rudder brought out to us from another Tiger while we were about 20 miles off Pt Loma."

Weather conditions from the report]:" wind speeds of 20-25 knots with stronger gusts coming from the WNW at the time of the incident on the NW side of San Clemente Island."...."significant wave height of 7-8 feet with inconsistent larger waves likely inside the Channel Islands just offshore of the incident location." These are not unusual for this area, and I have often experienced worse in this area (up to 70 knots at one time).

Our normal procedure when we got a new boat was to be sure that all items were in good condition, and then seek heavy weather before a long offshore race or long cruise. We usually went up to Point Conception where we often would expend winds of 40 to 50 knots and 10 foot seas. Uncontrollable Urge was using this race as their shake down. Unfortunately they did not comply with the race requirements and have an emergency steering system. I'll have to admit that I used a Newport to Enseneda Race as a shakedown. .
 
Bob, thanks for posting the USCG addendum link. Two things I think stand out and make my case with my earlier comments:

Prevention.
The Coast Guard emphasizes that the best deterrent to needing assistance is a prepared and knowledgeable mariner. Before departing, the prepared operator ensures that all safety equipment, sufficient fuel, and necessary charts are onboard; the vessel is in good operating condition; the radio is operating properly; and someone knows the sailing plan of the operator, and will notify the Coast Guard if the vessel fails to return when expected.

Safety Concerns When Disabled. Inherent danger is associated with being disabled on the water. Although a specific situation may not be classified as DISTRESS emergency phase by the SMC, there may still be a real concern for safety either in the mind of the SMC or the mariner, i.e., the incident is in the ALERT emergency phase. The SMC must be sensitive to the level of apprehension caused in the mind of the mariner when having a problem in a small recreational vessel, particularly when concern is specifically expressed . The policy herein permits more expeditious response in those cases where the mariner expresses apprehension for the near-term safety of vessel’s occupants.
 
Colby, good points.

Just so folks know: SMC= Search and Rescue Mission Commander. In "Uncontrollable Urge" situation both the mariner and SMC under estimated the risks in the situation. Unfortunately this resulted in a death.

One of my questions is: was the person who died injured when he was trapped on the less side of the boat by his tether (even though he responded verbally and was seen swimming to shore) or what role did the problem with the inflatable life jackets play. Unfortunately the danger of these life jackets get lost in the total dialogue. It is possible that there could be legal action in a case like this. It could be against the inflatable PFD manufacture or even the boat owner. Even friends can sue boat owners. I know of a situation where a gal was crewing and there was an accidental jibe; the boom hit her on the head. She had a brain injury and the owner of the sailboat and his insurance were sued for a large sum.
 
johnr":s2khajx9 said:
Inflatable PFDs are not the only kind that will ride up over your head. A PFD must be properly fitted (i.e., snug) or it WILL ride over your head when you immerse.

One thing I'm not clear on in this case, is whether the lifejackets themselves rode up, or whether it was just the inflatable "bladder" that rode up. Obviously both conditions would be failures, but to me if it was just the bladder that's worse in a way, because it would mean the fit of the lifejacket was correct, and the "frame" of it stayed down, but the bladder went up.

As I say, I'm not sure which it was. My first reading of it (forget where I read it) gave me the mental image of it just being the bladder, but I don't wear inflatable PFD's, so I didn't pay as much attention to that detail as I might have, and I might have misinterpreted it.
 
I'm not a sail boater but know something about people who race other things. It seems this accident could have been prevented by a prerace inspection to make sure all requirements for safety and that the boats are with in specifications. The missing alternate rudder or steering system would have been a red flag. Maybe a life jacket inspection. So maybe the sanctioning authority for the event could be held liable for not insuring that all safety requirements were met. From what I have seen of racers of any kind they are not good about policing themselves.
Anyone who sails in gale force winds ought to have to pay for their rescue if they require assistance from the coast guard or who ever else puts themselves in danger to provide the assistance. Folks that place themselves in obvious peril need to take responsibility for their own actions.
I guess I need to jump in the ocean with my Mustang inflatable life vest on and see what happens. More and more about sailboat racing?
D.D.
 
Will-C":ku7a5sqz said:
Anyone who sails in gale force winds ought to have to pay for their rescue if they require assistance from the coast guard or who ever else puts themselves in danger to provide the assistance.

I don't necessarily agree with that; but in this case, weren't the winds 25-28 or so? I don't think of that as "gale force" (isn't that nearly 40 knots sustained?).

Will-C":ku7a5sqz said:
More and more about sailboat racing?
D.D.

I think this means you would rather not see more threads of this nature (although I'm not sure). But if that is what you meant, I'll toss in my opinion: I'm not really into racing (although I have sailed), but I do appreciate this type of thread. I believe many of the insights one can glean are applicable to other (non-sail-racing) types of boating. I read them and think through various scenarios and how I might handle them (on any boat), which I find useful.

On the other hand, I wasn't very interested in reading about the America's Cup. I occasionally clicked on the thread, but most times went on past it. However, since others here look to have found it interesting, I'm glad it was posted. To my mind, t's fun to have an active board, with numerous threads to choose from.

(I do appreciate it when a thread has a descriptive title, which both this one and the other I referenced do. It makes it easy to see whether it's something I would like to read.)
 
Sunbeam,
You don't have to agree. My comment about sailing in gale force winds was related to Bob's statement that they race in winds up to 50 mph. Gale is from 32 to 68 mph so the book states. People can post what ever they please, I'm not a moderator. Thanks for letting me know where you stand.
D.D.
 
Dave-

I generally agree with what you said that persons who require rescue should be responsible for the costs, especially idiots that try to climb mountains in known dangerous weather conditions. (!)

However, not all rescues in such situations, whether on land or sea, start out in conditions that can anticipate the development of bad weather. Long races over many days on the ocean are especially unpredictable.

I'd guess that at least half or more of the members of this forum are or have been sailors at one point. Many are or have been racers. Their interest in sailing never quits, and calls them back, even though time and circumstance may not permit it now. Still love to read about it and the lore….

Thanks for posting!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I felt that there were several lessons which were of interest to the C Brats--and could be directly applied from this tragedy. The life jackets were properly worn. They had straps which went thru the crotch and and they had "D" rings that the tether which keeps a sailor from going over board on the body of the front of the PFD. The body is very substantial. I have worn the SOS brand type of this PFD for many years, with the tether. The bladder apparently escapes from the cloth body and went over the head to one side or another --It sounded more to the left--thus not as effective to keep the head out of the water. Many of the C Dory folks wear this type of jacket. I had not heard of this problem before, and it may be a serious defect--either in this brand, or in other brands also.

Yes the wind in this race was 25 to 28 at the time of the rudder breaking. The longer races like Transpac to Honolulu, Cabo San Lucas, Puerto Vallarta , races have an inspection committee who examine the boats very carefully and you have to show exactly what type of emergency rudder you have and how it works. Sometimes there are silly things-we didn't have a door on the head in one boat I sailed on in a Transpac--so one of the crew went across the street and bought a shower curtain and we put it up while the inspector was there...
Perhaps all of the boats which race offshore should be inspected at least once a year--and that is a good point. Cheating in sail races? It happens, but I don't think much more than when I was a kid in the late 1940's--if someone was caught--they were out--not just a race, but maybe for a couple of years.


Other items in this story: 1.Communication and making sure the CG knows the severity of the situation--and that the skipper also understands the severity.
2- Navigation--too close to the Island--the Other boat which lost its rudder was able to bear off and keep pretty much off course for a number of hours until a rudder from another boat was brought to them (they would have been DSQ for accepting outside help.
3. What to do when the boat goes ashore
4.Hypothermia--how to prevent it
5. better lights on the life jackets (strobe)
6. A light stick works for location of a crew member

The America's Cup--I sent about the same material to friends who are not even boaters--and they found a lot of things interesting. But for the racing, I thought that the races between the 10 teams of "Youth" in the AC 45's this week was far better viewing than the big boats.
 
As an x-sailer(racer) I agree with Sea Wolf Joe. It was part of my life but circumstances have changed. I do miss it.
Safety is a topic we need pay attention to. Murphy's Law certainly applies to boats (I think it was written for boats!). Sooner or latter problems arise either through our own mistake or the ocean throws you an unexpected curve. Small things can escalate quickly- your ability to cope with circumstances depends on your preparation and often fore thought. (Eg.: I ever thought that a inflatable life jacket might not fit properly when inflated-need to try one of mine out to get some idea how wel l it works) Analyzing others accidents is a great chance to think about your own preparation. The problems this sailboat encountered certainly apply to motor boats. As in Boris' experience above we really have no certainty as to what the weather will do.
Sorry---don't mean to preach-- this is all really obvious but for my own reminder needs to be repeated often.
Thank you Bob for bringing this up and your (as as always) great analysis and thoughts!!!
Michael
 
Will-C":1ukvfp9p said:
Sunbeam,
You don't have to agree

Well it's not like I don't have similar feelings sometimes! (i.e. about wishing that certain people had to pay for their own rescue). For example, a few weeks ago a couple was rescued well out at sea. They were pretty much beginner sailors who said they had wanted to leave the US, in part, to get away from so much government oversight, taxation, etc. They were woefully unprepared by most any standard. Of course they ended up calling for rescue (and being saved) well offshore. Oh, the irony! (Which of course they didn't even seem to notice :roll:) I'm not thrilled about helping to pay for that one, for sure. But on the other hand, I don't necessarily want my freedom to do something that others consider "dangerous" curtailed, so it's a double-edged sword, and that's one reason I lean toward not drawing those lines - even if sometimes I'm shaking my head when I read about a particular situation.

I, too, enjoy the exchange of opinions here.
 
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