King Saltwater Double Axle Trailer - Bearings Part Number?

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Pat Anderson

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Anybody who remembers Powell 2009 will remember that we lost a hub on the road, and luckily we were with Jim Martinson, who called NAPA in LaGrande, who had a bag with a new hub, bearings and seals on the counter when we got there. On to the next rest stop, where Jim fixed us up to roll and our vacation was saved.

Returning from Friday Harbor Sunday evening two weeks ago, people passing us on I-5 are honking and pointing, and damn, I have another one smokin' on the boat trailer. Since Powell we have been very careful to grease the hubs but this time we had a blown rear seal, grease all over the back of the tire. So we pull over and I call Jim, he advises (wisely) to pull the rim and limp home with three wheels on the pavement.

So here we are, home with a disabled trailer pondering options. A little internet research, found the article I posted recently. I am determined to learn how to do this myself. Damn, if children can do it in Alaska, why can't I? Two nights ago, I pulled the hub. It went OK, parts of the bearings and seals were all over the inside but not stuck to the spindle. So here is what we have right now:

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As I recall, Jim told LaGrande NAPA not much more than we needed a six lug hub and bearings and seals for a heavy duty trailer. I know he didn't know a part number, but somehow those parts were in a paper bag with my name on it when we got there.

So yesterday noon off to NAPA I go to get bearings and seals and whatever else I need, hell, how do I know what I need? I don't even really know what the damn parts look like, only saw them briefly while Jim was fixing us up in LaGrande. I am one better, I actually have the hub. So I plop it up on the counter and tell the guy I need the bearings and seals for a heavy duty trailer. He says, nope, I need either the bearing that came off or the part number. Crap. How the hell am I supposed to know the part number? And I threw the parts I removed in the garbage, which was picked up yesterday morning (I know, I know). At least I have the picture I took and maybe that will help, we shall see today.

So here I sit, trailer still disabled, can't buy parts because I don't know what to tell the guy I need. A ray of hope, there is a number written in pen on the bag from the LaGrande NAPA, I have no idea what it is but I am hoping it will help. It is 13HRMID. I Googled this, no luck, but I am hoping that it will turn out to be a part number that will help.

Next issue, the spindle is fairly well gouged up. Jim did quite a bit with a file and emery paper to make the other one smooth, and perhaps I could do that too, but I don't have a clue on how to replace a spindle if I need to do that. So how would I learn to do that if I had to? Or at this point do I just need to call the mobile trailer repair guy? I really, really, really want to do this myself so I will not be so damn helpless the next time I have a roadside bearing issue...

Thanks for whatever help you can give me here!
 
Pat Anderson":1pody31g said:

I am determined to learn how to do this myself. Damn, if children can do it in Alaska, why can't I? Two nights ago, I pulled the hub.
So how would I learn to do that if I had to? Or at this point do I just need to call the mobile trailer repair guy? I really, really, really want to do this myself so I will not be so damn helpless the next time I have a roadside bearing issue...
Thanks for whatever help you can give me here!
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Well, you're close to graduating but you need just one more course. Call Gary Estes. Get your pad and paper out, watch what he does, ask all the questions, and write it all down. You'll get it done right, learn how to do it for the next time(s), and throw the receipt in your educational expense file. For a guy with 18 or twenty hubs it's not a bad deal per hub. Just my 2 cents.
 
King Trailer, I learned as others have, literally will not talk to its ultimate customer or respond to their emails except to direct you to their dealers. For this reason alone, I will never buy a King trailer again. I will check the thread though.

cemiii":a0exw7g1 said:
There is some good advice in this thread. Check the Champion source mentioned. I'd certainly call King to make sure of the correct parts.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/trucks-trai ... ectly.html
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[Sigh...] Probably the best advice of course.


dotnmarty":2pln8tme said:
Well, you're close to graduating but you need just one more course. Call Gary Estes. Get your pad and paper out, watch what he does, ask all the questions, and write it all down. You'll get it done right, learn how to do it for the next time(s), and throw the receipt in your educational expense file. For a guy with 18 or twenty hubs it's not a bad deal per hub. Just my 2 cents.
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Hey Pat
why don't you take another wheel off and take the hub off to get to the bearrings. you should change them out while you are at it. then you will have all the correct parts to show thw NAPA guy when you go back. remember to repaclk the new bearrings well before installing them. you can purchase a rather inexpensive packing tool or do it the old fashioned way with a handfull of grease and work it in by pressing into the palm of your greased up hand.
 
Disclaimer: Although I've never done a trailer, I've done numerous old cars so...brakes is brakes. That said.

Pat, as far as parts go, I'd check w/ a King dealer, if it were me. Performance Marine in Everett is a King dealer. They have to have a parts list, exploded diagram; something. Shouldn't be an issue getting bearings, seals etc. There may be cross referenced parts available from other sources, but why bother & stress. If you get the King parts & numbers now you'll be able to repair it and save the numbers for cross reference later.

As far as the spindle itself, you'll have to clean up all the grease (brake cleaner available at any parts store) and maybe/probably replace the shoes as they'll be soaked with grease. See how much gouging is on the spindle itself; it may be possible to save it with emery clothe & a fine file dependent on how much damage is done. You want the surface to be smooth & round or you'll go through another bearing in NO time. I'd definately try to save it if possible.

If the spindle needs replacment it'll be an obvious bigger job. You'll need to remove the springs, shoes, wheel cylinder, backing plate etc exposing the spindle. I don't know how your spindles ride: ball joints? :?: (I have disc brakes) It will require some special hand tools, nothing serious, and they should be readily available at NAPA or similiar. Once replaced, I imagine the brakes will need to be blead for fluid since you'd be removing the wheel cylinder/brake line and introducing air into the system.

Like I said, I've never done a trailer. I'll keep looking here to see if I can help in any way and I have some tools, so based on what you learn let me know.
 
Thanks all. I am just crying "Uncle" at this point.

Gary Estes is coming on Tuesday to get four wheels on the ground, then I will tow it to his shop in Issaquah to deal with the brakes.

I will watch and learn as he gets four wheels on the ground however.
 
Pat, I saw your post this am I just replaced my inner seals on a king 7000 double axle. I also wrote down thw bearing numbers from NAPA they are : outside bearing 15123 inside 25580 seal 22333TB. Also the parts man at Master Marine can get numbers for you my trailer is an 08 other years may be different. Ken westrope
 
Pat, roller/ball bearings are standard. The numbers are stamped on the edge of the inner and outer races. If you clean up the old parts, look at the edges of the races and see if the numbers are still there. Then take them to a "decent" auto parts store or bearings outlet, or trailer parts place and they'll sell you new ones. Don't forget new seals. These too will have a standard P/N on them. If you can't read the numbers, look at a good hub.

Note that King buys those hubs axles and probably doesn't know what's inside them (or care>)

What you're looking at is: outer bearing, inner bearing and seal. Each bearing has an inner race, which has the rollers and an outer race. $25/hub max. No roller bearings made in the USA, but I understand Timken bearings are not from China, if you can find them.

Whilst you're doing that, take the hub in and have them press out the old outer races and in with the new. Press/hammer (using a piece of wood and hammer) and then install them.

REPLACE ALL BEARINGS ON ALL HUBS EVERY 4 YEARS. I've been hauling trailers for 50 years, and this is new to me, but apparently one has to do this nowadays. Better in your driveway than on the road.

As far as the breaks go, replace the shoes and get new springs. Those brake shoes are covered in oil and that'll make them slide well. Use Brake cleaner to degrease everything.

Boris
 
have to agree with roger, pull the other wheel off and use it as a guide and take pictures as you go. I rebuilt a carb once only because I had another to look at while doing the reassembly.

If you need to i can drive over to king and get the numbers for you. they always help me out when I show up in thier office. something about anything to get me gone??
 
SENSEI":ou559tkg said:
Hey Pat
why don't you take another wheel off and take the hub off to get to the bearrings. you should change them out while you are at it. then you will have all the correct parts to show thw NAPA guy when you go back. remember to repaclk the new bearrings well before installing them. you can purchase a rather inexpensive packing tool or do it the old fashioned way with a handfull of grease and work it in by pressing into the palm of your greased up hand.
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Wow Roger, that just sounds too logical. The simplicity of your idea made me laugh as in, "Why didn't I think of that?" :lol:

Pat, I think you're doing the right thing, hiring a professional. Sadly, my skills do not encompass rebuilding bearings, spindles and the like. :sad

Good luck, hope you git her done.

Peter
 
Yes, I might have pulled another hub to get the part number, and I am going to write down the part numbers for sure when Gary get this one going, but I decided on this plan because (a) I do not feel confident about evaluating the condition of the spindle, and (b) there is no way I am going to deal with brakes myself, period.

The plan is to get four wheels on the ground so I can tow it to Issaquah, which is scheduled for Tuesday after Memorial Day, and then to tow it in to Gary's shop for brakes, which will be either to rehab the drum brakes and add fresh water flushing hoses (distant second choice), or take it back to disk brakes (much preferred). Final choice will depend on exact difference in cost. Either way, there will be an annual repacking of bearings. And we will carry a spare hub with bearings and seals ready to slip on should we ever need to, which hopefully we will not...

Thanks again for all the various suggestions, this place is a treasure for sure!
 
Pat Anderson":35r5k9x8 said:
Thanks all. I am just crying "Uncle" at this point.
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Don't come cryin to me, Pat. I can't get there right now. Mom is in Palliative Care and it's a zoo around here.

But I do remember there are only a few "commonly used" bearings and they go by diameter. West Marine is actually a good spot to check in an emergency. It'll cost you more but you'll know the numbers for the next batch.

Don
 
Gary was here yesterday at noon, had four wheels on the ground in just over half an hour. I did watch, and what I learned is, there is NO WAY I could do this myself, even in my driveway but especially on the road. I barely learned what the parts are called, I do not have any tool to punch out the races, I don't have any tool to seat the new parts, I would not have greased everything correctly and if something could go in backwards or in the wrong order, I would no doubt do it that way first. Daydream is down at Gary's shop in Issaquah to evaluate the bearing and brake situation all the way around. I am going to have him make me up a spare hub complete ready to slip on should the need arise. I know I can remove a hub and reinstall it IF it is ready to go.

dotnmarty":31oc75qj said:
Well, you're close to graduating but you need just one more course. Call Gary Estes. Get your pad and paper out, watch what he does, ask all the questions, and write it all down. You'll get it done right, learn how to do it for the next time(s), and throw the receipt in your educational expense file. For a guy with 18 or twenty hubs it's not a bad deal per hub. Just my 2 cents.
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Pat Anderson":34cbu59g said:
...I do not have any tool to punch out the races, I don't have any tool to seat the new parts...
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Race drivers; one of those specialty tools I mentioned. I have a complete set in my big toolbox. At least he'll get it done completely and correctly. I was recently telling someone, I think it was at Friday Harbor, sometimes you just gotto hire a pro. If I have a sore tooth, I go to a dentist...
 
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