kicker h.p?

15 hp is plenty--probaly 8 hp is enough--I used smaller. We have a 15 on our CD 25 and it pushes it at hull speed--which is what any kicker will do. I have run larger sailboats with 5 hp as an auxillary--and made many trips to Catalina with 5 hp on a 26 foot boat, which had as much frontal area, and weight was twice that of a CD 25. But the top speed was only about 5.5 knots.
 
cbull,
I've got a older Honda BF8 and it does a fine job. Years ago C-Dory recommended the 75/8 combo. I don't know what they recommend now. A 15 is neither fish nor fowl, overpowered for displacement hull speed, and not enough for planing speed. Save your money and spend it on other doodads!

Mike
 
I installed a Yamaha 9.9 four stroke on our 22' angler that is doing the trick. Now I realize that an 8 would also be adequate for emergencies and any fishing needs.
What I would recommend to be as important as picking the size, is to go with the remote tilt and start and controls so that it can be completely operated from inside the cab. A connecting rod to the main will look after the steering.
The Yamaha 8 hp or 9.9 four stroke comes with full remote in the high thrust series. Those engines have relatively large alternators on them that will help with battery issues while fishing or slow cruising using the kicker.
Hope this helps a little
Ed
 
cbull":d9imn11g said:
thinking about a honda 15. Does a 15 do the job? has anyone attached kicker to main?
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I use an 8hp Honda long shaft, Works great! Here is a partial pict. of the link that connects them But the 9.9 has a bigger alternator to charge batts while trolling! Then again I think the 15 & 9.9 weigh the same, might as well have the extra 5hp? Also, when I have to do it again a Yamaha kicker is what I will buy :wink:


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Here is a better pict of the connector rod

Basically 2 female brass air fittings on the motors & 2 male on plastic ball type joints on the link rod. I cant remember the brand name, has been on 3 diff boats (pretty durable) Here it is E.Z. Steer http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000AXZTW?smi ... nkCode=asn
I use an electronic speed control (Troll King by Mari-Mar Lewiston Id.) :mrgreen: :beer
 
Even though I have two Honda 8hp kickers, and the kick is plenty for a cd 22, I think the nicest kicker I have used is the Yamaha 8hp. Pleanty of power, and the best throttle adjustment (tiller) I have used. I understand that there are electronic throttles out there for the Hondas, but I have not used them. If I were to do it over again, i would go with the Yamaha......

Steve
 
I have the 8hp honda classic and it is plenty. I actually want to slow the troll down a little more at times. Might look into a different prop. I woudn't want the extra weight of the 15hp since I already put too much weight in the back while fishing.
 
flapbreaker":s9id65g8 said:
I have the 8hp honda classic and it is plenty. I actually want to slow the troll down a little more at times. Might look into a different prop. I woudn't want the extra weight of the 15hp since I already put too much weight in the back while fishing.
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flapbreaker-

At slow displacement speeds, the boat is driven so easily that downsizing the pitch won't change the speed of the boat much, if at all. The lower pitch just gets more efficient at transferring momentum and energy.

Might have to introduce some drag, like a bucket, or a thrust diverter, like a trolling plate.

Good fishing!

Joe. :teeth
 
flapbreaker":31c499nk said:
I have the 8hp honda classic and it is plenty. I actually want to slow the troll down a little more at times. Might look into a different prop. I woudn't want the extra weight of the 15hp since I already put too much weight in the back while fishing.
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Try turning the idle speed down & adjusting air/fuel while in gear, warm, @ idle?? Works for me :mrgreen: :beer
 
Cbull- A 9.9 works pretty well. It will not plain the boat but it will run all day on minimal fuel. I do like the hydraulic tilt feature and would echo what others have said about that. Some boats have 15 hp kickers but I'm not sure what the advantage is. It certainly isn't cost.
You could apply the same argument to the size of the main... 50 Vs 70 or 90 Vs 115hp.
I look at the kicker as the disposable one to rack hours on . However this motor may outlast me. I only have experience with the Honda 9.9 but I have a pal with 9.9 Merc and he can't say enough good things about it. Of course Mercury is his sponsor for the Walleye trail. :lol:

Consider the 8s or 9.9s..... they match a 22' nicely

Good Hunting

Chris Bulovsky
 
I’ve got a chance to buy a low hr 3 yr old 15hp Tohatsu 4 stroke long shaft for about a grand, and seriously considering the perchance. Tohatsu, Mercury, and Nissan come off the same assemble line and I’ve owned them all, great motors. Would probable link them for steering but can’t justify power tilt and electric start for a kicker? If the price is right why not go with a 15?
 
I assume this kicker is for a 22, and I'm surprised that no one has mentioned weight.

Honda is a great motor and has the following weights:
8 hp-77lbs (old style),
8-9.9 hp- 98 lbs,
15 hp- 108 lbs
Add 10 lbs for electric start.

Tohatsu is also a great motor:
8-9.9 hp- 77 to 83 lbs
15 hp-120 lbs

Hanging extra weight off the back of a small boat isn't always good, so I suggest the lightest motor which would do the job. If you're buying new, look at a 8-9.9 hp motor (same displacement, smaller carb,) and cheaper. However, if the price is right, all bets are off.

Boris
 
Hanging extra weight off the back of a small boat isn't always good, so I suggest the lightest motor which would do the job. If you're buying new, look at a 8-9.9 hp motor (same displacement, smaller carb,) and cheaper. However, if the price is right, all bets are off.

Boris
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I just sold a 9.8 Tohatsu 2 stroke short shaft that hang off my Porta-bote, 60lbs wet. They don't import these anymore but if I could find one used with long shaft think I'd consider it.
Eventually kicker size direct injection 2 strokes will be all the rage, but that’s a few years off.
Your right about extra weight been a factor on the sturn, guess I could bring along my dry suite and jet fins for emergency kicker duty. :mrgreen:
 
It used to be that many lakes would not allow an outboard of more than 10 hp, thus the 9.9 outboards were popular. Many brands the 15 and 9.9 were the same engines, but with either a restrictor plate, or different reed valves. At one time Tohatsu dealers sold the 9.9, with a 15 hp plate for $200 less than 15. Currently the Johnson 9.9 and 15 are the same engines, dispacement and weight (77lbs).

As noted the Honda is no longer that way--the 15 is a bigger displacement and more weight. The Nissan 4 stroke is similar, But both the 2 stroke (if available) and 4 stroke Merc 9.9 and 15 are the same displacement.

I don't see any advantage to the 15 on a 22--there might be some on a 25, but either of these boats will be driven to hull speed with an 8 hp (especially if you get a "big foot" lower unit.
 
thanks for the info. Looks like the 9h.p. range is the way to go. I have a 3.5 nissan two stroke that has never seen the water. moter was on ding for other boat. I will post ding and moter up for sale in a couple weeks and will give c-brats first opp. Ding is fiberglass on trailer. probally more weight than some would want to put on top of a cd. I would mount on my high top but have bridge resrictions.
 
I have the Hi-thrust 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke with electric start on my boat, not a C-Dory, that weighs about what a 22 CD does. I troll often and it does a great job at it over a variety of speeds, to include dead slow. The advantage of a 15 or a 9.9 High thrust over an 8 or smaller horse motor is that it will push the boat better in a strong current and with more fome control due to a smoother powerband. This is crucial when threading the boat back into the hogline where boats are anchored close together and the current is surging. When this motor was being fixed I went on a 160 mile cruise to the mouth of the Columbia and back mainly using the big engine. I hung my Johnson 7.5 2 stroke in its place. The performance was not even close (and some of this was no doubt due to the shorter shaft, but not all). It seemed is was "all or nothing" in power, and it remains a great motor on my duck boat, but that is a very light 12 ft. aluminum skiff. If you ever plan to troll in a river or where the depth changes frequently requiring frequent mending of the fishing line, you'll want a tiller handle. You can't troll effectively in those conditions if you are inside, at a the helm, away from the rods. Yamahas are the most respected motor on the river around here, Mercury second. C.W.
 
that is why i was thinking a 15 would be better. here in the charleston harbour the current rips between the jetties like you would not beleive. i was thinking a 15 would give more power if coming in on kicker should main go out. I would have a way to dissconnect kicker from main while fishing. kind of hard to set the hook from inside the cabin.
 
here in charleston the yami is what you see the most of. however, the suzuki is coming on strong. I have a honda now because the boat was purchased with it. if i had to replace it i would go with the suzuki. price and available service in area would be the reason. all our work boats have suzuki moters and have had no problems at all.
 
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