Is AIS in the house?

A note about the Raymarine AIS250:

It's expensive, but for the money you get a built-in antenna splitter and built-in NMEA multiplexing, which can be important. More on that below. On the down side, the otherwise well-designed AIS250 is only a single-channel receiver. That is, it scans between the two AIS channels but can only take data from one at a time. Surprising that they got this detail wrong...because otherwise it would be a top pick.

Now a note on NMEA multiplexing. Hold on to your hat, Harvey. My Raymarine C-series chartplotter has one NMEA port on the back, and two SeaTalk ports. Here's how they're allocated now:
SeaTalk1: GPS
SeaTalk2: Autopilot
NMEA: VHF radio with DSC, which is both an NMEA "talker" (DSC messages) and a "listener" (GPS coordinates).

Now I COULD use a multiplexer, which costs around $300. An NMEA multiplexer works like this: In one direction, it collects high-speed (AIS) and low-speed NMEA input, aggregates it into a single high-speed NMEA datastream, and sends it on to the chartplotter. In the other direction, it takes high-speed NMEA output from the chartplotter and sends it onward to all the connected devices at the appropriate baud rate.

But guess what: I don't have to use a multiplexer. How? It came to me this morning, and I confirmed with the helpful folks at The Offshore Store today that it'll work. They install plenty of these, and one guy there said he's never had to use a multiplexer. Here's how it will work:

The problem is the VHF radio, which is DSC enabled and therefore requires a constant stream of GPS data; it's an NMEA listener. When the VHF receives a DSC call with position data, it can send that data to the chartplotter to be displayed on the chart; so it's also an NMEA talker. In order to maintain both without a multiplexer, I'm going to split them.

The radio's NMEA output ("talk") destined for the chartplotter will go INTO the AIS receiver. Virtually all of the AIS receivers, even the $200 MillTech Marine unit, will take incoming low-speed NMEA data and insert it into the high-speed datastream going to the chartplotter. So that problem is taken care of.

Now the tricky part. The VHF needs GPS coordinates. And it turns out I already have a device that can supply GPS coordinates in low-speed NMEA. No, not my GPS receiver...it's SeaTalk only. If you have an NMEA GPS, you CAN split the signal and send it two places, according to The Offshore Store, so you could theoretically send GPS data to both your chartplotter and directly to the VHF. That isn't possible in my case, so I'll use the NMEA output from my autopilot. The autopilot, in essence, already has a SeaTalk/NMEA converter onboard, and it has terminals for NMEA in and NMEA out which are currently unused.

So I'm going to add AIS reception. For $200 plus some specialized cables. That's the theory, anyway! Wish me luck.
 
Poor mans AIS,

For those who want to know where the 'big guys' are but don't want to or cannot spend $$ for the AIS units, or for those who do not have a chartplotter to display the info on:

Monitor VHF channel 14 in the Puget Sound, Hood Canal and adjacent waters south of Marrowstone Point in Admiralty inlet.

Monitor VHF channel 5A in the Str of Juan de Fuca, San Juan Islands, Rosario Str, and Bellingham Bay.

Monitor VHF channel 71(Vancouver Traffic) in Harrow Strait, Boundary Passage, Strait of Georgia north of Saturna, and Gulf Islands,

All large vessels are required to report their position, speed and destinations to Traffic Control. Small boats(that's us) are 'non-participants' and are welcome to listen. Non-participants are allowed to contact Traffic Control and request information on the location, course, and speed of 'big guys' and 'tugs and tows' which pose a danger to us or when we pose a danger to them.

Non-participants can also call the big guys directly to verify passing or crossing situations which could result in a collision. If you have to call a 'big guy' use the same channel that they are using to contact traffic control.

Please, Please, Please--- If you want to call on the traffic control channels, use proper VHF protocols! Keep the calls short, state that you are a 'non-participant' and you have an 'information request'. Wait for traffic to get back to you, they may be very busy with shipping in an area you cannot hear on your radio.

A typical call would go as follows: Vancouver traffic--this is (your boat name), a non-participant, requesting information.

They will respond and ask you what you need. You then respond: For example--- Traffic, this is(your boat name) requesting info on any traffic in Boundary Passage.

They will tell you about any traffic in your area, or that there is 'no reporting traffic'.

Mostly us small boats just listen and will hear if there is any traffic of concern, but if you have to cross a shipping lane in the fog with no radar, it is very reassuring to know that you will not be run down by a tug and tow or ferry.

At first this may seem intimidating, but if you listen to the traffic channel, it becomes clear whats going on. The operators of the 'big guys' are professionals and do not want any collisions!! If you need to contact a ship or tug for your safety or their safety, do so.

Safe boatin to yah!!
 
That's great advice. I always monitor 14 and 16 while I'm out from Edmonds. The ferries leave pretty regularly, and they always check in on channel 14. Between the time I arrive at the boat and the time I get outside the breakwater, I've usually heard at least one vessel traffic report.

I've never had to call on 14, but once you've monitored it long enough, it'll be pretty clear how things are handled. In fog or darkness, if I had any doubt about what was happening (especially in the traffic lanes), I'd feel confident calling and asking for a summary, just like the ferries do.
 
WOW,
I started this thread wondering if I was the only one interested in the possibilities. I am impressed, amazed, and thankful. Humbled in my surroundings. Thank you C-Brats for all the info.

Tim: Thanks for the specifics on the RayMarine. You may have solved this $$$ issue for me.

Larry H: Thank you for the reminder of the VTS system and channels, and that we do have access as "non-participants" .

Grumpy: Thanks for putting it into perspective.

Dr. Bob: Thanks for getting the thread back on track, and all your homework.

Roger (Dreamer): for the cool AIS view site.

No if only Raymarine would come out with the 2 channel as a newer and better, and cheaper, I'd be on it in a heart beat.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
I just checked out the site. I will check later in the day but it seems hard to believe there are non approaching Boston. There is also no coverage area for regions south of Boston.
 
Matt, I can see Boston and areas to the south, down as far as the entrance to the Ches Bay. Haven't checked further south. Not much or any traffic in the Bay though. On Edit, traffic in the Chesapeake now, lots around Portland Me but NOTHING in NY or Boston. Hard to believe...

Charlie
 
Captains Cat":3iunoryw said:
Matt, I can see Boston and areas to the south, down as far as the entrance to the Ches Bay. Haven't checked further south. Not much or any traffic in the Bay though. On Edit, traffic in the Chesapeake now, lots around Portland Me but NOTHING in NY or Boston. Hard to believe...

Charlie

I noticed the same, lot's of vessels around Portland ME but none to the South. I see tankers every day I'm on the water and I'm sure that is also the case in NY. I wonder why the system does not show NY or Boston?
 
Those computers might be offline. It's not a "service". It's just a group of hobbiest/enthusiasts with AIS receivers connected to their computers.
 
AIS question: I have a Raytheon 41XX radar from 1994. Does anyone know if an AIS receiver will display on that radar?

Second question: How do you hook up an AIS receiver to a computer? What program will it display on?

Larry H
 
Not to sound too glib, but "check with the manufacturer." :-)

But here's what it's going to come down to: Is Raytheon/Raymarine still supporting this unit with software updates? The C-series and E-series chartplotters from 2005 didn't support AIS until a new software release about a year or two ago.
 
Tim,

I suspected that the radar will not display the AIS signals.

How about my second question?

How do you hook up an AIS receiver to a computer? What program will it display on?

Thanks,

Larry H
 
Larry, it will not work with a dedicated radar.

The lap top is fairly easily accessed for AIS. You can buy one of the Milltec recievers, a GPS, VHF antenna and the Serial cable which attatches to the Milltec reciever, with a serial to UBS adaptor. The GPS (USB) and AIS reciever plugs into the USB ports. You can run a number of chart plotting programs. Milltec comes with SeaClear and then you can down load or get the NOAA charts on DVD. For about $300 or so dollars you will have it all on the laptop.

I will be using a dedicated chart plotter, just because I don't want to fool around with a computer at the helm, but that is probably the cheapest way to go if you have a lap top.
 
According to Byrdman, AIS is used by tows on the Cumberland River. I know that Ingram Barge company is a primary towing company on the Cumberland and Tennessee Rivers and am told that they have AIS on their fleet.

Does anyone know what other Barge companies travel the Cumberland and if they use AIS transponders.

I plan a cruise on the Black Warrior River fairly soon and would like to know if any tow companies on that river use AIS. The Warrior, in places, is narrow and winding making barge traffic awareness a real safety issue. I know that the Parker Barge Company has more that a dozen tows on the Warrior and their are others. Any information would be appreciated as I plan to install AIS at some point in the near future.

:roll:
 
In the new West Marine 2008 catalog, they have the new two-way AIS unit for $995 with the caveat that it will not be sold until type approved, which they estimated at Feb 2008!

Charlie
 
I found the ACR transponder on page 67 for $999.99 (West price--may be less at some of the online sellers.) I also found the RayMarine AIS reciever in the Catalogue @ $ 979.99.

There is some question as to when the type B AIS transciever (which is what most of us will be using in the recreational boats). There seems to be a problem with MARitel (The entity which has leased the VHF spectrum for communications, other than the public and government channels). This seems to involve the use of channels Channels 87B (161.975 MHz) and 88B (162.025 MHz) for AIS. The designation of Channels 87B and
88B for AIS in the United States is consistent with establishment of a seamless global AIS framework. But in the US, these channels were put aside for "Public correspondance"--ie part of the spectrum leased by MARitel. However, this was posted on Panbo today:
"We heard from the FCC that it looks like the AIS Second Report and Order will be on the Commission's Agenda for the Feb. 26 meeting. There is a *chance* that the item will be voted on before that time.”
Also referenced is this:
http://rtcm.info/sc121/038-2008-SC121-DIST.pdf
This gives some clarification of the issues, and stresses the importance of FCC approvial of the Class B AIS units.

Lets hope that this is resolved and that we can buy a Class B transciever at a decent price (I was surprised that we would find the ACR initially for less than $1,000.) I suspect that the prices will come down with time.

Incidently the RayMarine comes with a VHF radio antenna splitter. I think that it is better to use a separated antenna, and one which is tuned for the upper part of the Marine VHF band (162 Mhz).
 
Well I've done my part. Today I got my receive-only SR161 installed and working. I had been waiting for Class B units to become available, so now that I've finally put receive-only on my boat, it's a virtual certainty that Class B will be approved within two weeks.

Remember, you heard it here first. :-)
 
Tim,
Why did you use a clam shell rather than a "Cable Clam" or a coax packing gland type of fitting? I assume that you filled the hole under the ss clamshell ventillator with silicone rather than polysulfide.
 
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