Info on C Dory 22 Angler

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dan@team-basements.com

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Hi all!

I am in the market for a 22' pilot house boat.

Over the past few weeks, I have listed many pros of the C Dory 22' Angler but I am trying to get as many opinions as possible.

I boat on the East Coast - New Jersey. Boat the Delaware Bay, Chesapeake Bay, Intercostal water way and, on a nice day, up to fifteen miles offshore.

I am a two boat owner - 29' Phoenix (used as a floating condo, cost of fuel no longer permits the 50 mile journey to the tuna grounds)

17' 1979 Aquasport center console.

When I read the Aquasport message boards, many people complained that the boat did not handle chop - Ours came with a permatrim and the boat handles like a 21'! It only has a 12 degree deadrise. Very impressive ride for 17'

My question is - If I use this the 22' C dory as intended, about 14 -18 knots, and use the permatrim and trim tabs, can I use this boat in the 2' chop the is the norm in our area?

What type of stability can I expect in comparison to other boat?

I am all for saving fuel and 4 mpg sound good to me. It will encourage us to cruise and explore much, much more.

I just want to make sure I am making the right move.

Lastly, if anyone on the East coast is thinking of selling, I may be interested.

Thanks!

Dan
 
If you are intending to gradually cruise more you might want to consider a 22 cruiser instead of an angler. It is a much better set up for cruising but gives up some cockpit space. Cruisers are also much easier to find...and to sell.
 
Roger, that Angler photo looks like it was taken at Sportcraft here in Portland, and the boat looks very much like their old demo boat from a few years back. If so, it was pretty nicely done.
 
There is a 22 cruiser on a lot in Port Angeles, and I know of another that is set up for fishing that is looking at coming onto the market in the near future.

Like Barry said, teh 22 Cruiser is going to be easier to find, and to sell. If an Angler is for sure what you want, a 19 would be easier to find than a 22 Angler I think.

Good luck, And by the way, sometimes, the one you find isn't in your back yard :sad But there are ways to get it home :smiled :smile .

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Dan,
I boat with people who have 22' Cruisers. Well used to, one of the couples just moved up to a 27' Ranger Tug. But typically a 22' cruiser in a light chop (about a foot) will travel comfortably at 18 to 20 mph. In a two foot chop that might drop to 12 to 14 mph. At 7 to 8 mph they can go through most anything. The boat can take more punishment than you can. Once they start pounding it's time to get the nose down to break the chop with either permatrim or trim tabs. When they pound the boat is noisy. They have a pretty flat bottom. You are standing in the boat below water level and they are extremely sea worthy. We usually go on cruises lasting a week, finding the boat a cosy,comfortable,dry refuge. Most find these boats to draw onlookers and questions almost every where we stop. The draw backs are that they do not have self draining cockpits, but the pluses are many, they can be powered with a 70 to 100 hp motor, newer versions up to 115hp. Most people seem to have powered them up with Honda 90's some with 8 to 10 hp kickers or twin forties or fifties. The boats only draw about seven inches with the motor up. The hull without motor weighs in at about 2000 pounds making them easy on fuel and easy to tow with additional savings not having to buy a big truck to tow they with as total weigh with a traler comes in about 4 to 5 thousand pounds depending how you are loaded. I think models built after 2006 have electric windschield wipers and hydraulic steering. Previous to 1987 there was a slight hull change. If you have not already go to the photo section on the home page peruse though the photos. They are great boats and this website is really one of the brands strong points side from having one of the strongest resale values in the boat market. Good luck finding your new water ride.
D.D.
 
You can safely and comfortably use the 22 in 2' chop. I will never again own a vessel that is not a pilot house or an otherwise fully enclosed (solid - no canvas) enclosure.

The flat bottom means you pound in chop at speed, but it means you have crazy low fuel use relative to other boats of a similar size, low weight, and low engine power requirements. The pilot house keeps you comfortable protected and offers more sea keeping ability. For real 2' chop, which is considerable if we are talking a true 24" between trough and crest, you will need to go slow.
 
matt_unique":177yssx1 said:
You can safely and comfortably use the 22 in 2' chop. I will never again own a vessel that is not a pilot house or an otherwise fully enclosed (solid - no canvas) enclosure.

The flat bottom means you pound in chop at speed, but it means you have crazy low fuel use relative to other boats of a similar size, low weight, and low engine power requirements. The pilot house keeps you comfortable protected and offers more sea keeping ability. For real 2' chop, which is considerable if we are talking a true 24" between trough and crest, you will need to go slow.
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In general I agree. But you may or may not have to really slow down. It just depends. I can often go with confused chop/tour boat wake (2-4 feet) coming into Seward if it is spaced right at 15-17mph. Admittedly it is rather white knuckle, and one has to pay close attention during that last 5 mile leg, but the boat is not pounding. Going against it? Well that is another story.....But even then I don't remember ever going less than 10 mph except on those rare but hideous (5-7ft plus tight chop) times that nobody ever leaves in but on occasion must slog through to get back....And when it gets that big and tight, most recreational boats of similar size are going even slower than I am and fighting the off-step v-hull with every wave.
 
Others have well described the 22' hull attributes and performance. The sea worthiness, function, and fuel economy of the 22' CD is virtually impossible to find elsewhere. This is a big part of why the C-Dory has such a loyal following.

The Angler model is a great boat for day fishing, boat camping, and occasional overnighting if you can get by without any “cabin cruiser” amenities. Seating is adequate for 4 as long as 2 of them are not more than medium sized. The cockpit is plenty big for 4 to fish. You need a rod storage solution (like rocket launchers) and a fish storage solution (like a stern cooler mount or gunnel fish bags).

I must admit that I have found the performance of my 22' Angler hull (mine is the original classic flat hull) to be less than I would like in a true 2ft head chop. In my experience this is the worst possible condition for casual travel in the boat. Any angle into the chop significantly reduces the problem and running down is a breeze and almost like running in flat seas.

I have been intrigued by other reports suggesting going into the chop is quite tolerable in this hull (including testimony from my boats previous owner - Dad). I suspect that the suggestion of trim tabs or permatrim (I have neither right now) is key. I intend to add one of these this spring. In this relatively light boat your onboard weight is also an important factor. I keep a pretty spartan boat and when I do day trips by myself the only substantial added weight is me (200lbs) and 24 gallons of fuel (maybe I need to take more snacks!!?). If you regularly have more weight in people or goods you'll get a noticeably better ride without other adjustments.
 
Thanks for all the great replies / info...

After further consideration, we are now leaning toward the 22 cruiser. We agree with other replies that the 22 cruiser can make a good fishing boat for two but the gushing boat is limited on cruising amenities.

Regarding chop - I am hoping that the use of permatrim and trim tabs, this will help the bow cut the chop instead of the waves hitting the flat bottom.

I know on two of my previous boats - a 22 scout 202 sport fish center console. After purchase, I could not believe how rough this boat did in choppy waters. After adding trim tabs, it was like I purchased a new boat. The same is true with our current 17' aquasport center console. This has a do elfin on the outboard and handles chop very well.

I am hopping the same is true with the C Dory? - if so, I am surevi will be very pleased.

Again - thanks for all the helpful comments...

Dan
 
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