I’m in a Florida state of mind…

localboy

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To all Floridians or part-time Floridians, I’m looking for info, opinions, experiences about Florida life. The good, the bad and the ugly…I want it all.

Our primary focus is the Gulf coast from Naples to Tampa but I’d be open to other input about the entire Gulf coast. I’m recently retired and we are looking to make a move south. (We just returned from a weeks visit of Naples, Cape Coral, Ft Meyers area). It does not suck there.😆. The boating looks great, the weather, fantastic etc. Lots of people but there are lots of people here too and it’s not nearly as attractive.

Thanks for any/all input.
 
localboy,

You might look at Youtube. There are tons of videos there put up by folks who live in Florida describing what it's like to live there. Some contrast what they hoped life would be like there, and then what it actually turned out to be like years later (good and bad).
 
We've had some terrific times visiting in Florida. I particularly liked the Naples area. The weather can be fantastic, or miserable. The coasts mitigate some of the summer heat, but bring their own weather worries and generally higher prices, too. I personally would be very wary of coastal property - short or long term. I happen to think climate change is real, and folks in Florida will be among the first to feel it in a serious way. Relatives just sold a condo on the Atlantic side and they feel like a ton of weight is off their shoulders after years of worrying about beach erosion and rising water levels.

I think the fishing opportunities are great. Bird watching is fantastic. Florida is a big state, and I don't have enough time there to qualify as any kind of expert. I'm sure you'll hear from lots of others who are more familiar with the places to go and see. For me, it's just not my cup of tea for a permanent home. I can't live without mountains and real rivers.
 
localboy":2c9aj8c9 said:
To all Floridians or part-time Floridians, I’m looking for info, opinions, experiences about Florida life. The good, the bad and the ugly…I want it all.

Our primary focus is the Gulf coast from Naples to Tampa but I’d be open to other input about the entire Gulf coast. I’m recently retired and we are looking to make a move south. (We just returned from a weeks visit of Naples, Cape Coral, Ft Meyers area). It does not suck there.😆. The boating looks great, the weather, fantastic etc. Lots of people but there are lots of people here too and it’s not nearly as attractive.

Thanks for any/all input.

Need to spent at least a week there in August to get a better feel for the place.
 
With each move we've made in the years we've been married, it seemed we were always looking for what the area we were in didn't have. If you live in the farmlands, you want the mounatins; live in the mountains, you want the beach; live at the beach, you want the dry desert. One thing we haven't seen very often: people moving from a warm climate to the cold (lots of the reverse - and for a good reason).

We were fortunate that before we retired and sold our home and business in the northland, we had the opportunity to travel all along the Sunbelt for several winters... California to Florida, with lengthy stays in Arizona and south Texas. We enjoyed Florida, but... so many people. California had some great weather, but even more people and more expensive than Florida. The desert in Arizona is interesting, but SO dry and not much in the way of water. Joan had family in Corpus Christi, so we spent time there, as well. The first day in the Tropical Tip, after running from cold weather in Arizona, New Mexico, and west Texas, I opened the door of the motorhome (in February) and smelled salt air and freshly mowed grass... I said to Joan, "I think we are home."

We built a vacation home in south Texas, while we were still working in the northland. Before we did that, there was all that time wandering west coast to east coast and Gulf coast. Florida is nice. Especially if you visit there when it is cold and crappy in the PNW. Same with southern California and Arizona. Spend some time there in the summer before you commit.

I like what we have been doing since we retired in 2006: a home base in a sub-tropical climate on the coast, and getting away for several months at a time, a couple times during the year. We have had plenty of years to evaluate - before making the move to south Texas as our one and only home, I wondered if it was because we like the area, or because it was a tropical getaway from our work lives up north. Because, there is a BIG difference between visiting an area for a getaway and living in that same area; the mindset is completely different. We both agree that this is where we want to live. Right now. We like the general small town feel to the area, with larger population 45 minutes away if we need stuff or medical care (this becomes more significant as you get older).

Like much of the country, real estate prices here have gone crazy. Houses in our community are selling for more than twice what they were going for just a year ago. Odds are pretty good that won't last. With that in mind, we have had neighbors sell out and discover that anywhere else they want to be has equally insane real estate prices.

Our summers in the Pacific Northwest were a delight (even the years we spent "working" there at the whale watch company). That area may have the best summer weather I've experienced... even if it only lasts 6 weeks or so. :wink: Summers here are hot and humid (similar to Naples, which is at roughly the same latitude) - part of why we like to head for cooler climes that time of year.

IF it were up to me - and it isn't - I could be happy living full time in the right RV, taking it from place to place to try to be where "the weather suits our clothes" at the right time. If we were younger, it could be full time on a boat... but not as easy to be in the right place at the right time on a boat... because there are times that "right place" may be the desert southwest in February to April; south Texas (or Florida) in April - May and October - January, Kinda hard to go from Florida to the Pacific Northwest in a liveaboard boat in 10 days or so.

Probably way too long to read, but just tossing out what has been our experience over more than 20 years of living it. There are SO MANY great places in this country; mostly not year 'round.

Good luck with the decisions.
 
FWIW, there seems to be a lot of nice places along the St. John's River. And some good boating and fishing along it as well. I'm tired of the cold Wisconsin winters, but here we are centrally located. We've talked about moving once the wife retires, but really haven't figured out just exactly where we'd like to go. We'll probably just stay where we are, and become snowbirds during the winter, traveling to various warmer spots... Colby
 
The unavoidable facts of life in Florida. There are severe hurricanes. We have been thru three cat 3 in our 30 years here. Some areas are worse than others for damage.

Thus, insurance for flood or wind damage is expensive, and in some cases difficult to obtain. I have been able to retain my original USAA insurance and they have treated me well--with claims after each storm. But I have paid high premiums.

There is no state income or personal property (boat) tax. Because of this, the property taxes have a high millage. The sales tax is fair.

We found the living in Florida was a very significant savings from living in S. Calif. 30 years ago. Car and RV insurance was less--boat insurance, as long as you had a way to get the boat out of danger (haul out onto hard, trailer out of area, or secure in a protected basin like behind our home. )

Initially waterfront property was relatively in-expensive. It has gone way up this last year, and I don't think it is sustainable at that level. Homes in our subdivision (about 40 homes, secluded peninsula, with water on both sides--bay and bayou.) Have gone for as low as $240,000 (house which has bad damage after each hurricane, and sold for $100,000 less than it sold for 3 years ago, to one which sold for $890,000--also flooded, wind and wave damage after Sally for a 2400 sq foot home on a single lot on the bay.

There are some awesome critters who have been here a lot longer than us white men and women. Alligators, panthers, bears, coyote, bob cats, poisonous snakes: water moccasin (most common), eastern Diamond back rattle snake, copperhead, coral snake. (We have seen all of these critters in the wild during the last 5 years in our travels). Mosquitoes the size of F16's, don't exist--and we don't have much of a problem in our area since we have excellent populations of dragon flies, who just gobble the mosquitoes up. However we do have part of the back yard and the pool under a screen enclosure--and it makes living a lot more comfortable.

As for where to live--Keys are regularly devastated by hurricanes. During season, there are many tourists. We spent 7 winters at a waterfront RV park, with a boat slip. Unfortunately that was turned into condos. The weather was good--with occasional northerly winds. The tourists were not a problem since we avoided their haunts. We subscribed to a concert series, and thus got to know a number of full time residents. This enriched the whole experience. The folks in the RV park came back every year--many from Canada or the Frozen North, Like Wisconsin.

I would not want to live there full time. The summers get much hotter, and at least on the weekends some less than what we considered desirables from Miami and Hollywood descended on the Keys.

We chose Pensacola because of the good airport, good health care (3 major medical centers), 3 universities, excellent arts and music venues almost every week. The life is less laid back than 30 years ago when we first bought a property here, but in comparison to other parts of Florida--this remains the "Redneck Riveria". Incidentally Mark, you would love the political attitude here! Law enforcement is well respected, and we. have excellent Sheriff and Police Departments.

There are many other areas along the coast from Penscaola--where we are at the most Western part of Florida, to Fort Walton Beach, Destin, Panama City to the more 'rural areas like Franklin Co. and Apalachicola or Carabell and the (expensive now) "forgotten coast".

We used to travel to Fort Lauderdale, when on the BOD of SSCA--I loved the people I was associated with--I hated the Miami and Fort Lauderdale crowds. Worse than LA or Seattle at rush hour! We also spent some time in Sarasota--and that was very crowded during the high tourist season.

The waterfront real estate in S. Florida has become rather expensive. We had looked at Cape Coral 30 years ago, and the houses were in the $30K to 70K range--a number of vacant lots still. Now those homes are close to a million dollars.

I might be looking at the Burnt Store area. Venice and that area waterfront is expensive.

If you don't want waterfront, I believe that there are going to be a number of nice homes in central Fl. Stay away from the large cities like St. Pete, Orlando,

I agree with Colby that the St. John's River is a very special place. We could see ourselves living there. But it has a climate not too dissimilar from Pensacola, where we have "winter"--with the occasional frost and even snow once in 30 years. There can be flooding along the river. We (and I expect Colby) have experienced it mostly in March. March thru April is prime time. Even in those times the river and good anchorages can be impacted with weekend boaters.

A quick perusal of the real estate for sale along the St. John's is going to be expensive for a really new and nice home. However there are some very affordable lots and other houses, a bit older--maybe concrete block, or 50's construction that look to be decent. Off water, there is a huge variety of homes--as there is all thru "old cracker Florida".

On your next journey to Florida, visit "Camp Thataway". Full hookups for RV, Dock with water and power, always a free bedroom, except perhaps at Christmas time.
 
As a North Florida native, I think Florida is a great place to visit but you don’t want to live there. Seriously you should spend some time in August or September in any area you are interested in before making the move. I suppose putting up with the heat and bugs for 5 or 6 months and hurricanes occasionally isn’t any worse than putting up with cold and snow for months. If you decide Florida is for you I would recommend that you avoid the southern half. There are to many people and it’s to expensive and there aren’t enough trees. There are some nice areas in south Florida to cruise in your C-dory in the winter.
I would recommend the part of central Florida from Deland to Green Cove Springs, near the St. John’s River and far enough away from either coast to minimize hurricane issues. The area from Gainesville to Tallahassee is also nice. There are a lot of springs, trees, and the land isn’t completely flat like most of south Florida.
The last area I would check out is the panhandle from Apalachicola to Pensacola. This area has some beautiful beaches and less development. Unfortunately the reason it’s less developed is because it’s the area where most Gulf hurricanes make landfall.
When we retired my wife and I lived on our C-dory full time for a number of years. We would usually stay in Florida from January through March and then go north with Spring and by Summer go far enough north to be comfortable without air conditioning. We are now living in North Carolina where it’s a one day drive to Florida, four hours to the coast and a day and a half to the Great Lakes. One of the best things about a C-dory is the trailer.
 
outbackbill":37iuvzio said:
... and the land isn’t completely flat like most of south Florida.
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The highest things in the southern half of Florida are the highway overpasses. You can see a looooong way from one of those.
 
The highest things in the southern half of Florida are the highway overpasses. You can see a looooong way from one of those.

Although the ICW bridges are 65' in many areas, The highest natural point, is "Hobe Mountain" at all of 86', plus an observation tower, which puts one up about 100 feet. The actual tallest points are some of the Condo's and other buildings in Miami. There are 90 of these condos which are over 400 feet, and one which is 430 feet.

I agree stay away from high buildings--they fall down,

We actually have some hills in the pan handle, Forrests, and rivers you can kayak and canoe. We had rented 3 canoes to run a river, and my son in law, who'd never been in a canoe took the grand kids to "spare Gramps". Well within 30 seconds he had swamped the canoe and all were in the water (fortunately the grand kids are swimmers and had life jackets on.). The canoe was pinned under some tree roots. Fortunately "Old Feeble Gramps" taught canoeing to Girl Scouts for a number of years. (That's a whole different story.) The grand kids had a good time with Gramps--and he even did some lessons along the way.
 
I have never been to Florida, but I have flown over it, so here is my two cents worth. I think it's too hot in the summer and the skiing sucks in the winter. I think I'll stay in Alberta.
 
Mark, just my opinion, but boating in the Gulf of Mexico does not match boating where you are right now. To quote Kitty Nicolai, "there is actually no water in the Gulf of Mexico and along Florida's west coast - it's all an optical illusion." The water was VERY shallow leaving Apalachicola, it was five miles offshore before the water was deeper than a couple of feet. Also, the heat and humidity can be terrible - Patty was just a rag doll in LaBelle, FL, where we started our Loop in April 2017.

On the plus side, Apalachicola, Cedar Key, Crystal River and Tarpon Springs are very cool places. Dr. Bob's neighborhood in Pensacola is very nice, we were able to boat right up a canal to the dock behind his house. I cannot talk to the St. Johns's River, but Colby's and Dr. Bob's statements are no doubt right on.

We divide our time between Birch Bay in Whatcom County, with great boating and (usually) good weather in the summer, and Arizona, with great weather from the first of October to the end of March but no boating.

My thought is that you should give Florida a trial run for a couple of months and check out the different locations before you cash in everything in Washington State and move to Florida permanently!
 
Pat Anderson":1tdk6xz3 said:
... My thought is that you should give Florida a trial run for a couple of months and check out the different locations before you cash in everything in Washington State and move to Florida permanently!

If I had to choose between WA State and FL, it would be no contest. WA State for sure.
 
Hey Mark, C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S on your retirement. Glad your there.

As to Florida, I have only flown in and our a few times for work conferences, so my 2 cents are only about worth that much. I wouldn't trade my chances with a big shake or a volcano second show for the chances of a hurricane, cotton mouth or a gator ever. I will go visit as I do have relatives in the areas you said you are interested in, and they have been there for 20 some years -- transports from northern Minnesota, so the followed the direction Jim noted.

All the best in you new future.

Salute.

Harvey
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Hey Pat, we had our Cal 46 at the John Wayne Marina/Sequim, when we bought our first house in Pensacola... Love your weather up there, for 3 ro 4 months out of the year.. And it is some of the best cruising grounds anywhere...but Darn, logs on the water, Killer Whales, Volcanoes, never see the sun for weeks at a time, Fog on the water....Lots of those fast ferry boats, and then the waters of Straits of Juan de Fuca... selling fuel by the liter (same price as a gallon down here...

We all are blessed if we can choose our place to live.
 
thataway":28dyaif7 said:
Hey Pat, we had our Cal 46 at the John Wayne Marina/Sequim, when we bought our first house in Pensacola... Love your weather up there, for 3 ro 4 months out of the year.. And it is some of the best cruising grounds anywhere...but Darn, logs on the water, Killer Whales, Volcanoes, never see the sun for weeks at a time, Fog on the water....Lots of those fast ferry boats, and then the waters of Straits of Juan de Fuca... selling fuel by the liter (same price as a gallon down here...

We all are blessed if we can choose our place to live.

Can't argue with what you are saying (well, except the Killer Whales, volcanoes, and ferries are actually pluses not minuses). Just sayin'...Mark should test the waters of Florida before he makes a permanent commitment!
 
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