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How to price a 22' Cruiser
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nesibus":qp3ti5z2 said:Aside from having a pilot house, good fuel economy....there is nothing to justify half the prices I see.
Nesdibus,
From my perspective there is a LOT "to justify half the prices" plus more. You failed to mention safety. Many testimonies have been written on this site about the weather/seas/storms these vessels have safely carried their proud C-Dory owners through. To my knowledge, there have been only two C-Dorys that have sunk or been severely damaged. One was rolled in the surf off the Oregon coast after it ran out of fuel and the second was pulled under the water in Alaska after the anchor rode became fowled in the propellor and subsequently was pulled under due to waves over the transom.
In the Pacific Northwest, we read of way too many other recreational vessels that succumb to the seas due to poor design/quality.
The old caveat....."you get what you pay for" certainly applies in this case.
Incidentally, in case you are not aware of it, the C-Dory that was rolled in the Oregon surf has been rebuilt and is now proudly plying the waters again by one of our C-Brats.
(There are also pictures of a 22' C-Dory on this site that was washed to shore in the surf in Mexico and suffered absolutely no major damage).
As far as I'm concerned money spent on a C-Dory, is money well spent and even if I make some "bone head" error in judgement on the "high seas", our familly will most likely survive the incident and be able to cruise to a safe port.
Perhaps when folks go to a bank to obtain financing, they should furnish the banker with a few pictures and stories of what these fine vessels are capable of and then they will see that they are financing vessels that will keep their borrowers alive so they can pay off their boat loan and they are not financing the proverbial "hole in the water".... :wink .
Your personal information doesn't indicate where you are located, nor does it indicate what bodies of water that you intend to use a boat on. That being said, perhaps a less expensive brand is adequate and safe enough for you and your family.
(I do hope this casts a different light upon the dollar value of our prized vessels).
Nesibus,
Classic boats, Bertrams, Boston Whaler 17' Montauk, C-Dory's hold their valve for a number of reasons. Sea keeping abilities, resale, and classic good looks. The thing with C-Dory's that puts them in a class by themselves is the pilot house that includes usually a stove, sink, water tank, room to sleep 2+1 a small table which in some cases can be converted into a forward facing seat and the table than can be dropped completely to make another berth or more seating. Combine all this will a light hull of less than 2000 pounds you have something that gets great fuel mileage and canbe towed by a small suv. Not much else out there that you can compare it to. But I saved the best for last. The owners group, the C-Brats are an owners group which in my travels at least are by far the most supportive and fun bunch you will find anywhere. They have functions, cruises, and get togethers which are fun informative and will bring you lasting memories. If it's money you want to hold on to it's ok with me. But if you want to start enjoying a boating life you can probably afford you had better forget what the books say and start shopping. Times a wasting and your not getting any younger.
D.D.
Classic boats, Bertrams, Boston Whaler 17' Montauk, C-Dory's hold their valve for a number of reasons. Sea keeping abilities, resale, and classic good looks. The thing with C-Dory's that puts them in a class by themselves is the pilot house that includes usually a stove, sink, water tank, room to sleep 2+1 a small table which in some cases can be converted into a forward facing seat and the table than can be dropped completely to make another berth or more seating. Combine all this will a light hull of less than 2000 pounds you have something that gets great fuel mileage and canbe towed by a small suv. Not much else out there that you can compare it to. But I saved the best for last. The owners group, the C-Brats are an owners group which in my travels at least are by far the most supportive and fun bunch you will find anywhere. They have functions, cruises, and get togethers which are fun informative and will bring you lasting memories. If it's money you want to hold on to it's ok with me. But if you want to start enjoying a boating life you can probably afford you had better forget what the books say and start shopping. Times a wasting and your not getting any younger.
D.D.
When researching C dory's I talked with a gentleman on Lopez Island in the San Juans that had done an offshore rescue of a 22. I gather the boat was quite far off the Washington coast in difficult seas. When he arrived on scene he said the owner told him to just take him ashore and leave the C Dory. The boat appeared fine though I'm not sure about the motor. Anyway, he decided to take the C Dory in tow. He said he was astonished that despite being pulled through high waves in punishing situations no damage occurred to the C Dory. No windows punched out, the bow eye or cleat didn't tear out....everything was in tact.
Yesterday I reminded myself of that when we were returning in 15-25 knot conditions. I don't want to do it every day, but what a boat!
Dick
Yesterday I reminded myself of that when we were returning in 15-25 knot conditions. I don't want to do it every day, but what a boat!
Dick
Nesibus,
Are you still there? A lot of people have chimed in regarding your rather terse statement.
I went back and took a look at your prior posts and see that your main point of contention is that the NADA values for used boats are much lower than the selling price sellers are looking for on this site. I BEG TO DIFFER.
I went to NADA and priced our BOAT (2005 22' Cruiser), MAIN MOTOR, KICKER MOTOR, TRAILER and checked all the applicable ACCESSORIES I've added to the boat. My pricing would also include the additonal customized accessories I've added that were not included on the NADA list. When I took NADA's value vs. what I think I would want to sell if for, I came up with a $3700 dollar difference, which is NOT A SIGNIFICANT PRICE DIFFERENCE. And the price I would be seeking is on the higher end of the scale, given how much we've put into the boat. I could see $2-3k wiggle room in the final sale price.
The point being, yes our C-Dory's are niche boats and seller/owners are always going to want to get the best price, BUT, I think you're forgetting to factor in the accessories, the motors and the trailer in the prices people are selling for. And no, our boat is not a "novelty", it's "much more important than that" as Roger on Dreamer has so aptly put it.
You might want to rethink your stance on the asking price of our boats and do a little more homework.
Are you still there? A lot of people have chimed in regarding your rather terse statement.
I went back and took a look at your prior posts and see that your main point of contention is that the NADA values for used boats are much lower than the selling price sellers are looking for on this site. I BEG TO DIFFER.
I went to NADA and priced our BOAT (2005 22' Cruiser), MAIN MOTOR, KICKER MOTOR, TRAILER and checked all the applicable ACCESSORIES I've added to the boat. My pricing would also include the additonal customized accessories I've added that were not included on the NADA list. When I took NADA's value vs. what I think I would want to sell if for, I came up with a $3700 dollar difference, which is NOT A SIGNIFICANT PRICE DIFFERENCE. And the price I would be seeking is on the higher end of the scale, given how much we've put into the boat. I could see $2-3k wiggle room in the final sale price.
The point being, yes our C-Dory's are niche boats and seller/owners are always going to want to get the best price, BUT, I think you're forgetting to factor in the accessories, the motors and the trailer in the prices people are selling for. And no, our boat is not a "novelty", it's "much more important than that" as Roger on Dreamer has so aptly put it.
You might want to rethink your stance on the asking price of our boats and do a little more homework.
Nesibus,
Although you can buy a "Sows Ear" at a low price, it does not take away from the greater value of the "Silk Purse". If you see the C-dory as just any boat with the addition of a hard top, end your' frustration and look at some other boat. It seems that you EXPECT to be offered one at 50% off. These boats sell at the prices you are seeing. There are many examples of people missing out on a used C-dory because they wanted to think it over for a day or two. The value is there if YOU fit the BOAT ( and not everyone has to).
Although you can buy a "Sows Ear" at a low price, it does not take away from the greater value of the "Silk Purse". If you see the C-dory as just any boat with the addition of a hard top, end your' frustration and look at some other boat. It seems that you EXPECT to be offered one at 50% off. These boats sell at the prices you are seeing. There are many examples of people missing out on a used C-dory because they wanted to think it over for a day or two. The value is there if YOU fit the BOAT ( and not everyone has to).